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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 21, 2024 19:37:50 GMT -6
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 21, 2024 19:42:37 GMT -6
Actually, not as much of a price reduction as I hoped. Think I got my EQP’s at that price on a sale.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 22, 2024 2:29:52 GMT -6
Fun, and agreed, we have another thread about .
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Post by copperx on Jun 22, 2024 3:55:43 GMT -6
Actually, not as much of a price reduction as I hoped. Think I got my EQP’s at that price on a sale. While I would have liked a greater discount, they are listed at around the same prices as used units on Reverb, and these have been inspected, and the person who traded it in did it with little hassle, and Audioscape gets a piece of the used market and controls the quality of the units in the wild. Win win win scenario.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 22, 2024 5:49:36 GMT -6
Well, reverb asking prices are inflated to offset its fees.
I get the refurbished idea, but given the quality of AS products, would think there is little, if anything, actually being tweaked?
I do support the initiative, but wonder what price affect shipping costs are having, original owner ships to AS, it ships to you.
I agree there is benefit to new owner having AS inspect the unit: good to have options.
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Post by ericn on Jun 22, 2024 7:50:20 GMT -6
Well, reverb asking prices are inflated to offset its fees. I get the refurbished idea, but given the quality of AS products, would think there is little, if anything, actually being tweaked? I do support the initiative, but wonder what price affect shipping costs are having, original owner ships to AS, it ships to you. I agree there is benefit to new owner having AS inspect the unit: good to have options. m It’s the time spent making sure it doesn’t need a repair that gets expensive. Even with say a simple 2 knob compressor you need to run a signal twist the knobs and make sure things like stereo link work. The thing that always bugged me with selling b-stock was that our reputation was all about who ever checked it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 22, 2024 8:23:48 GMT -6
Ya, I understand there is AS time involved and it’s a business.
Guess , the better comparison is would you rather buy used, have a problem after the fact and either deal with Reverb/seller, seller independent or just pay the AS refurb price with peace of mind: kinda like insurance?
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 22, 2024 14:42:26 GMT -6
I feel like a fair used price for mint should be 25% reduction, although on reverb it’s typically 20% (hence why I rarely buy off reverb, unless I’m truly in need and can’t kind it on FB or Kijiji). Just checked their numbers and they’re all pretty close to 20…some a little more, some a little less. True, I suppose it’s decent when considering it’s like new…serviced, inspected and warrantied.
And loving their new slogan ‘We won’t f*ck you’…which made me kinda sad the first time I read it, like am I not attractive enough?! And now thinking, if they would just do it dammit, maybe I could get a better reduction! I’d be okay with that… ;P
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 22, 2024 16:15:43 GMT -6
I am up in Canada but buy a lot in states, roughly 5 year’s ago my sense was, peeps expected to pay about 50% of retail, but used prices have climbed, partly cus of hidden, increasing fees like at reverb, maybe peeps letting go COVID purchases or peeps just being unrealistic?
That might sound unfair, but when I buy used, I always think out of warranty, what the round trip cost is , if have to ship to builder for repairs, plus insurance and labour: much over 50% of retail, I’d rather buy new and not have to worry about whether the item has been abused or is as advertised, etc..
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Post by smashlord on Jun 22, 2024 16:32:23 GMT -6
I wonder if the refurbished units are updated to current revisions..... I know that they continually revise their products and in some cases, like the EQP-A, there can be some big changes. I could see it as a way for them to pull older versions that may have kinks out of the wild and maintain a good reputation for the brand.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 22, 2024 21:29:02 GMT -6
I wonder if the refurbished units are updated to current revisions..... I know that they continually revise their products and in some cases, like the EQP-A, there can be some big changes. I could see it as a way for them to pull older versions that may have kinks out of the wild and maintain a good reputation for the brand. smashlord , def a good question for AS, good call! @katthedog , also in Canada. Damn 50%?! Haven’t been in the game very long, but def over 5 years…and have bought and sold a fair amount of used gear. I don’t know man, I’ve never seen a typical 50% drop, only on the rare steal (at lease for pro studio gear). I have seen guitars, amps, pedals at that level of discount, but extremely rarely on the pro high end stuff. Wish I could get some sweet comps and pre’s for 50% off!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 23, 2024 1:29:03 GMT -6
When you sell gear, say into the US, what are you typically offered? I found about 50%, I wondered if they were worried about duties, shipping etc.?
I understood but think buying retail is a bit of a mirage, as we are still paying for duties/shipping etc, but it’s just hidden in retail price?
Maybe, it’s just me being cheap, but the current high used prices seem out of whack? I’m selling my buddy’s good Roland kit: asking about 50% of retail, 40 views: one person, asked questions and wants to demo.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 23, 2024 9:57:51 GMT -6
I feel like a fair used price for mint should be 25% reduction, although on reverb it’s typically 20% (hence why I rarely buy off reverb, unless I’m truly in need and can’t kind it on FB or Kijiji). Just checked their numbers and they’re all pretty close to 20…some a little more, some a little less. True, I suppose it’s decent when considering it’s like new…serviced, inspected and warrantied. And loving their new slogan ‘We won’t f*ck you’…which made me kinda sad the first time I read it, like am I not attractive enough?! And now thinking, if they would just do it dammit, maybe I could get a better reduction! I’d be okay with that… ;P What is this Kajiji you speak of? Edit: ooooh Canada
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2024 9:59:34 GMT -6
I feel like a fair used price for mint should be 25% reduction, although on reverb it’s typically 20% (hence why I rarely buy off reverb, unless I’m truly in need and can’t kind it on FB or Kijiji). Just checked their numbers and they’re all pretty close to 20…some a little more, some a little less. True, I suppose it’s decent when considering it’s like new…serviced, inspected and warrantied. And loving their new slogan ‘We won’t f*ck you’…which made me kinda sad the first time I read it, like am I not attractive enough?! And now thinking, if they would just do it dammit, maybe I could get a better reduction! I’d be okay with that… ;P The rule for used pricing is there is no hard fast formula, it comes down to supply, demand location condition and terms as well as ease of shipping. Some things never come up used and are going to go for 90% of new, others nobody knows about and are going to be 10%. If a seller isn’t willing to ship drop and isn’t in a major market drop it 20%. Mint also seams to have a pretty loose meaning these days & also an advantage with buying from Audio Scape it’s going to be packed well. The other day a seller shipped me the wrong piece of rack gear, no packing material on the side and rack ears rubbing against and poking out the sides. It went back with 1in packing material on each side 2 in front and behind plus 2.5 above and below ( I miss packing peanuts), the right piece came in that box with that packing.
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Post by vvvooojjj on Jun 23, 2024 10:16:22 GMT -6
In EU one can deduct VAT if you have a company when buying from another country. Because the VAT ranges from 17-27% depending on the country you live in, I think the used prices should be at least -30%. If you've done business for a long time with someone from another country you might get let's say -15% to -20% discount from the price as an old customer and then deduct the VAT on top of it, so it's quite often that used prices are higher than the prices of new equipment. Some hobbyists and semi-pros don't get this and wonder why nobody buys their equipment for the prices they are asking.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 23, 2024 12:08:51 GMT -6
All good, I was just talking private used sales. Of course, prices vary around the world, can anyone say Oz?
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Post by iamasound on Jun 23, 2024 13:41:50 GMT -6
Mint also seams to have a pretty loose meaning these days Case in point...yesterday someone in my country was selling an 80's AKG EB P48 for CHF 500 and described it in the first sentence as being "in perfect condition". A few lines down he mentions that the grill is dented. Perfect ain't what it used to be.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 23, 2024 13:45:18 GMT -6
Ah, perfect for repairs ?
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2024 14:23:55 GMT -6
Mint also seams to have a pretty loose meaning these days Case in point...yesterday someone in my country was selling an 80's AKG EB P48 for CHF 500 and described it in the first sentence as being "in perfect condition". A few lines down he mentions that the grill is dented. Perfect ain't what it used to be. The ones that really piss me off are the guys who list it as “New” Has the box ever been opened? Has it ever seen use? Are you a dealer? Is the warranty transferable? If the answer to any of these is no, it ain’t new!
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 23, 2024 20:41:56 GMT -6
When you sell gear, say into the US, what are you typically offered? I found about 50%, I wondered if they were worried about duties, shipping etc.? I understood but think buying retail is a bit of a mirage, as we are still paying for duties/shipping etc, but it’s just hidden in retail price? Maybe, it’s just me being cheap, but the current high used prices seem out of whack? I’m selling my buddy’s good Roland kit: asking about 50% of retail, 40 views: one person, asked questions and wants to demo. Ah I gotcha. Idkfs but I think electronic drum kits more fall under tech, because they constantly release new models. I was more referring to things like mics, comps, pre’s, etc. Imo I think one of the reasons they hold their value so well is because companies don’t release ‘the latest and greatest’ model every year…and in many cases they never really get updated at all.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 23, 2024 20:53:38 GMT -6
ericn , I hear ya. There’s a listing locally for a barely used D-Comp…had it listed for the same price AS has it listed for new (including USD to CAD conversion). Made him what I thought was a reasonable offer (20% off msrp) and he wouldn’t budge, saying that it’s basically new and if I buy straight from AS I have to pay for duties and shipping…so I bought one direct from AS instead, lol. I do have a chuckle though every time I’m checking out gear on FB and still see it available, after two years! …some people’s children
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 24, 2024 3:49:50 GMT -6
When you sell gear, say into the US, what are you typically offered? I found about 50%, I wondered if they were worried about duties, shipping etc.? I understood but think buying retail is a bit of a mirage, as we are still paying for duties/shipping etc, but it’s just hidden in retail price? Maybe, it’s just me being cheap, but the current high used prices seem out of whack? I’m selling my buddy’s good Roland kit: asking about 50% of retail, 40 views: one person, asked questions and wants to demo. Ah I gotcha. Idkfs but I think electronic drum kits more fall under tech, because they constantly release new models. I was more referring to things like mics, comps, pre’s, etc. Imo I think one of the reasons they hold their value so well is because companies don’t release ‘the latest and greatest’ model every year…and in many cases they never really get updated at all. So, was I, originally, just used Roland sale as an example: no big deal, we all have our varied experiences, but used recording prices, seem to me have climbed a lot. Partially, it’s cus places like reverb, eBay, etc., are trying to build profit so increase fees. I bought a small bike part, could fit in an envelope, it was a few hours away, eBay forces the seller to ship from Canada into the states, international hub, shipping cost to me trebles and delivery time goes up to 2-3 weeks: ordered one from Amazon, cheaper price, had it installed in two days. Kijiji is good here, and I hear about peeps still finding good recording gear deals in Craigslist in states, but seems to me peeps just want more for used gear: I’m a hard sell.
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