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Post by doubledog on Jun 17, 2024 22:11:16 GMT -6
does anyone actually use one? I feel like maybe it's kind of trendy? sometimes I'll use it for effect (like if you want that big 808 sound or something - maybe in a section of a song but never the whole song - I mean my god, it's just mud most of the time). I just built several of them (and selling locally) and of course I've had one for years myself (my original prototype) and as I mentioned in another thread I record it and send the tracks to everyone (that does drum tracks with me), but I rarely find use for it myself. Just for fun, inserting an audio sample, frequency capture and photo of one of the subkicks I made. sk1.mp3 (659.74 KB)   |
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Post by phdamage on Jun 17, 2024 22:16:11 GMT -6
I have one I built myself that I use very rarely these days. Ever do the 50 Hz tone with side chained gate? I was told Albini used that all the time and have had good luck recently if I want to add some sub weight without going bananas with eq
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Post by doubledog on Jun 17, 2024 22:17:36 GMT -6
with the Tfunk M82/Avedis MA5 combo I rarely feel like I need to add weight to anything. It's huge already. usually cutting lol.
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 17, 2024 22:41:19 GMT -6
With the Heiserman Type 19 outside the kick
I find no shortage of boom.
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Post by copperx on Jun 18, 2024 4:12:54 GMT -6
I have one I built myself that I use very rarely these days. Ever do the 50 Hz tone with side chained gate? I was told Albini used that all the time and have had good luck recently if I want to add some sub weight without going bananas with eq I believe Albini used a DIY subkick fo4 some time but then it got replaced by a resonant (feedback) EQ (send the kick to an aux with an narrow EQ boosting the kick fundamental frequency, and then send that aux signal back to the kick channel. Adjust volume just before oscillation). It works better and sounds much more natural than just an EQ. |
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Post by okcrecording on Jun 18, 2024 6:24:23 GMT -6
I use one, you're right it's not a great sound on its own. But you can use it to enhance the low end.
Low pass at around 100 and then high pass around 40-50hz then sneak it in under your inside mic and it can add some nice beef.
Would I rather have a Lawson 47? Yes. Do I have one? No.
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Post by svart on Jun 18, 2024 6:43:03 GMT -6
Back in the 90's I didn't have many mics and I pulled up an old guitar cab and wired it so I could run an XLR from the speaker into my mixer and used it as the whole mic.. It actually worked great for that time. I didn't even know that you weren't supposed to do things like that.. Until they started selling that exact thing because other people were doing it.
These days I use a little 8" speaker. It works fine. I usually just LPF the thing aggressively to get nothing but the UUMMPH out of it.
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Post by Dan on Jun 18, 2024 7:07:57 GMT -6
I have one I built myself that I use very rarely these days. Ever do the 50 Hz tone with side chained gate? I was told Albini used that all the time and have had good luck recently if I want to add some sub weight without going bananas with eq I believe Albini used a DIY subkick fo4 some time but then it got replaced by a resonant (feedback) EQ (send the kick to an aux with an narrow EQ boosting the kick fundamental frequency, and then send that aux signal back to the kick channel. Adjust volume just before oscillation). It works better and sounds much more natural than just an EQ. daws mostly prohibit feedback routing. The side chained gate isn’t feedback. |
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Post by doubledog on Jun 18, 2024 7:15:19 GMT -6
if I do use it, I always EQ a lot (mostly cutting above 100Hz, maybe below 30Hz) and then usually gate it, or use a transient designer depending on the sound I'm looking for, and mix with the other mic(s). but again almost never use it for an entire song (ok, way back when I couldn't hear those lows I might have...). I see it more for effect on a section maybe...
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 18, 2024 7:21:01 GMT -6
I like the Alien Smith Worm mic. More creative positioning possibilities, and can grab more oomph from the whole kit
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Post by jaba on Jun 18, 2024 8:44:54 GMT -6
Back in the 90's I didn't have many mics and I pulled up an old guitar cab and wired it so I could run an XLR from the speaker into my mixer and used it as the whole mic.. It actually worked great for that time. I didn't even know that you weren't supposed to do things like that.. Until they started selling that exact thing because other people were doing it. These days I use a little 8" speaker. It works fine. I usually just LPF the thing aggressively to get nothing but the UUMMPH out of it. I often use something very similar. Recently though it's been about 8' away, usually behind something. A bit in the mix really gives the drums some depth, especially in the low end. Not as obvious as a typical room mic but can add something quite nice. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 18, 2024 8:54:44 GMT -6
Been a long time since I did. . . completely unnecessary. a good 47FET or a type 19 or any other LDC / LDD will give you all you need.
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Post by christophert on Jun 18, 2024 17:34:21 GMT -6
I used a Subkick for years when they first came out.
But come mix time - I hardly ever used it, and eventually got rid of it.
Like others have suggested here, these days I use a Type19 and it gives me the extra weight in the low end
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Post by christophert on Jun 19, 2024 1:12:25 GMT -6
I like the Alien Smith Worm mic. More creative positioning possibilities, and can grab more oomph from the whole kit I have the worm - but have not used it yet due to the now too common fast turn around projects. Curious to know if you circle the drums tightly, including under the floor tom / or well outside the kit on the floor?
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 19, 2024 9:30:44 GMT -6
I suspend it abiut a foot of the floor, wrapping around the kick drum with one end near the floor tom and the other near the rack/snare. A short tripod stand on one side to hold the mic assembly, then a couple short stands with some gaffe tape to keep the tube suspended.
on the floor it gets a bit of mechanical rumble sometimes. Elevating it gives more usable, cleaner low end.
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