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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 20, 2024 18:59:12 GMT -6
BU67 MKII. Variable Pattern. Four Voicings. OG 67 and OG 269. "Modern" style 67/269. Any more questions? I know, I’m fanboying, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find a better mic in this price range (of course I’ve not tried them all). I’ve had some lesser priced mics, had some way more expensive mics, and plenty in a similar price range...I’ve never been so impressed, like I never feel like I’m fighting it…or it’s fighting me, lol. Another really good mic in that range, for a brighter (not nasty bright) and fast option, is the NU-100K (still a really nice bottom end too). Martin’s mics are really detailed I find...it fills the role of my offset option for the BU67 now…like when recording two acoustic guitars on a track where I want a decent amount of contrast. Also really like the NU-100K on most female singers (but I don’t track a lot of them). And of course there’s the Pearlman TM1, a great mic as well, but I prefer the BU67. They kind of fill a similar sonic territory so will likely sell the TM1 soon. I don’t know exactly how to say it other than to me the BU67 sounds more 3D and with a perfectly soft high end…it just sounds like a record right away.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 20, 2024 19:51:57 GMT -6
The Soyuz 017Tube is my favorite mic I’ve owned…as evidenced by its long run. I ordered a Signal Arts U48 that I’m realllllly looking forward to hearing. I’ve not heard any of Chad’s mics, but I heard the Warm 47 and I thought that was a really killer buy for the price…it kinda did the 47 thing convincingly on some voices. Plus, I’ve seen a ton of people vouch for him. So here’s hoping. I love my Signal Arts 48. Can't imagine how I could like a 47/48 style any more.
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Post by doubledog on Jun 20, 2024 19:59:33 GMT -6
when you all refer to the "BU67", is that actually the BeesNeez B67-269 or is there specifically a different mic? Seems like it gets a lot of love so want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing...
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Post by ericn on Jun 20, 2024 20:12:29 GMT -6
At 2K there is a Lawson 47 ii and a 251 on reverb at right around 2K each. I would grab the 47 ii personally because I could always add the 251 head and FET electronics. If I knew a 251 would be best I might just go that route. The other thing to consider here is Gene was willing to sell heads without capsules last time I talked to him so you could always add a head with a favorite 47/ or ck12. Are the Lawson mics more of a general tube or fet design with different caps to differentiate the types? Austrian Audio OC818 has the detail without the pushed mids, low headroom and grossly resonant high end. Shure KSM44a is a better, more detailed version of what you own. Audio Technica AT4047 is rock solid and smoother than Neumann type mics in midrange. Just a little boring. I feel like I have the 414/clean vibes covered with the T2s. They’ve sounded great for the vocal parts I’ve tracked with them, but I just keep wanting a fancy sorta big boy mic around here. Just want a different option to the SM7/414 thing I usually toss up. If you trick yourself that it’s cooler, it definitely is. The Lawson II is a convertible System, there are both Tube & FET electronics. Both 47 & ck12 type capsules are available. Since either capsule doesn’t require Pre- emphasis/ EQ they work quite well. The capsules might have a bit more character dialed in than a typical capsule since the electronics are voiced fairly neutral so that they work with either capsule. I don’t have as much experience with the 251 capsules but the 47 nailed the tone of the samples of the mic he modeled.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 20, 2024 20:37:37 GMT -6
when you all refer to the "BU67", is that actually the BeesNeez B67-269 or is there specifically a different mic? Seems like it gets a lot of love so want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing... I have the original MKI. Fortunately, the default OG 67 setting seems like one of the real mic "Soul Mates" on my (usual) voice.* The MKII gives even more tonal flexibility. Chris *I also really like my Elly Studio. Particularly for my (rather unusual ) Countertenor.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 20, 2024 20:51:08 GMT -6
when you all refer to the "BU67", is that actually the BeesNeez B67-269 or is there specifically a different mic? Seems like it gets a lot of love so want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing... Sorry yes, and the MkII is what I have.
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Post by theglow on Jun 21, 2024 6:17:25 GMT -6
Beesneez 67 is my favorite vocal mic at ANY price!
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Post by Dan on Jun 21, 2024 6:40:23 GMT -6
At 2K there is a Lawson 47 ii and a 251 on reverb at right around 2K each. I would grab the 47 ii personally because I could always add the 251 head and FET electronics. If I knew a 251 would be best I might just go that route. The other thing to consider here is Gene was willing to sell heads without capsules last time I talked to him so you could always add a head with a favorite 47/ or ck12. Are the Lawson mics more of a general tube or fet design with different caps to differentiate the types? Austrian Audio OC818 has the detail without the pushed mids, low headroom and grossly resonant high end. Shure KSM44a is a better, more detailed version of what you own. Audio Technica AT4047 is rock solid and smoother than Neumann type mics in midrange. Just a little boring. I feel like I have the 414/clean vibes covered with the T2s. They’ve sounded great for the vocal parts I’ve tracked with them, but I just keep wanting a fancy sorta big boy mic around here. Just want a different option to the SM7/414 thing I usually toss up. If you trick yourself that it’s cooler, it definitely is. yeah what I suggested outside of the at4047 are just better, cleaner versions of what you already have. Only thing fancy I suggested is the Austrian audio. Others yeah shure and AT do not bring the hyper detail usually but never do k67 Neumann clones. TLM102 or Gefell m930 could be interesting buys for you.
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Jun 21, 2024 9:35:23 GMT -6
IMHO 251/C12 "case by case" on Male Singers. Always worth trying. Examples? Tommy James' own 251 on his hits. Eric Burdon on "Monterrey". Etc. etc. I love the U67 and C12/251 tonal contrasts. But my wallet doesn't. LOL! * Chris *Of course, also U47 Tube and FET within condensers. Those Vanguards are supposed to be C12 flavored, right? Just discovered in a random thread here that one of their guys is based 5 miles from me where I spent most of my childhood. I like that guy being so local if I went that way, but like all of these classic flavored mics, mixed reviews. They do seem on the vibey end though. My old grumpy friend is loving them in overheads. Not really C12 flavored. We try to do original-sounding mics instead of the umpteenth "totally a U47" clone for $50 cheaper than the last guy. There's plenty of guys that are doing it quite well already (several of them members of RGO!) and I prefer to provide a brand-new color rather than yet another shade of "C12 green" or "U87 purple". which grumpy old friend is using them on OH? Are you referring to Jason Bonham? Nifty that you're in philly. we moved out here 3 years ago, but the main operation is still in SoCal. I'm actually headed back that way tomorrow for a visit.
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Post by nicksteinborn on Jun 21, 2024 15:00:27 GMT -6
Those Vanguards are supposed to be C12 flavored, right? Just discovered in a random thread here that one of their guys is based 5 miles from me where I spent most of my childhood. I like that guy being so local if I went that way, but like all of these classic flavored mics, mixed reviews. They do seem on the vibey end though. My old grumpy friend is loving them in overheads. Not really C12 flavored. We try to do original-sounding mics instead of the umpteenth "totally a U47" clone for $50 cheaper than the last guy. There's plenty of guys that are doing it quite well already (several of them members of RGO!) and I prefer to provide a brand-new color rather than yet another shade of "C12 green" or "U87 purple". which grumpy old friend is using them on OH? Are you referring to Jason Bonham? Nifty that you're in philly. we moved out here 3 years ago, but the main operation is still in SoCal. I'm actually headed back that way tomorrow for a visit. My bad. I must’ve misunderstood what you guys were doing. That’s totally fair to not add to the pile. I’ll have to dig up some clips/samples. I’ve seen plenty of love from users. My friend Steve Evetts has been using a pair on OH lately. He’s up in Jersey just outside of NYC. He’s done a lot of awesome punk and metal records. (He’s not actually that grumpy. Just a bit of an old head that can be particular.) I’m actually just over in Lansdale. I’d leave the burbs, but I like having a driveway too much.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 21, 2024 16:44:42 GMT -6
Tube Soyuz 017 used. Best mic in that price range. Or a Horch RM2J mk 2. Fantastic mic. Best mics without buying a u47. Beesneez 251 if you want the best in that flavour.
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Post by Dan on Jun 21, 2024 17:09:44 GMT -6
Not really C12 flavored. We try to do original-sounding mics instead of the umpteenth "totally a U47" clone for $50 cheaper than the last guy. There's plenty of guys that are doing it quite well already (several of them members of RGO!) and I prefer to provide a brand-new color rather than yet another shade of "C12 green" or "U87 purple". which grumpy old friend is using them on OH? Are you referring to Jason Bonham? Nifty that you're in philly. we moved out here 3 years ago, but the main operation is still in SoCal. I'm actually headed back that way tomorrow for a visit. My bad. I must’ve misunderstood what you guys were doing. That’s totally fair to not add to the pile. I’ll have to dig up some clips/samples. I’ve seen plenty of love from users. My friend Steve Evetts has been using a pair on OH lately. He’s up in Jersey just outside of NYC. He’s done a lot of awesome punk and metal records. (He’s not actually that grumpy. Just a bit of an old head that can be particular.) I’m actually just over in Lansdale. I’d leave the burbs, but I like having a driveway too much. Cool! He recorded the surreal Onward to Golgotha!
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Post by robo on Jun 22, 2024 10:28:16 GMT -6
I think you could revise this thread as vocal mics over 2k in 2024: which ones are actually worth the investment?
IMO there’s no reason to spend more than that for a good classic clone, or for a good original design unless you’re running a commercial studio and need some gear list fodder.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 22, 2024 14:44:44 GMT -6
I think you could revise this thread as vocal mics over 2k in 2024: which ones are actually worth the investment? IMO there’s no reason to spend more than that for a good classic clone, or for a good original design unless you’re running a commercial studio and need some gear list fodder. True, what amazing times we live in!
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Post by moeses on Jun 22, 2024 21:19:41 GMT -6
I'm going with sub-$800 and recommending the Chandler TG Type L again. Amazing little mic. I've tried it on several people (as well as instruments) and not been disappointed yet. I also have a Pearlman TM-1 (EF80 tube) and it's everything I hoped it would be (but what do I know). One of my favorite mics I've ever used How I sound in my head is how I sound with this mic The B voicing is perfection
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Post by nas on Jun 23, 2024 5:30:19 GMT -6
I'm actually really curious about the BeesNeez BM49. Anyone have any experience with that mic?
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 23, 2024 5:52:04 GMT -6
It is a marvellous microphone that’s for sure.
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Post by lowlou on Aug 26, 2024 15:25:49 GMT -6
when you all refer to the "BU67", is that actually the BeesNeez B67-269 or is there specifically a different mic? Seems like it gets a lot of love so want to make sure I'm looking at the right thing... I have the original MKI. Fortunately, the default OG 67 setting seems like one of the real mic "Soul Mates" on my (usual) voice.* The MKII gives even more tonal flexibility. Chris *I also really like my Elly Studio. Particularly for my (rather unusual ) Countertenor. Hey Chessparov Please, could you share some more details about your experience with the Elly on your unusual countertenor register ? "Unusual", what do you mean ? Mine might well be unusual too. It has two sides for sure : punk or academic. Monterey sung on a 251, wow... So good. The dark mic / bright mic dilemna for unusual tenors and countertenors is a topic that interests me, to say the least. dark, in my mental map being U47 & bright being 251, C12(s), C800, Redd. I need to start somewhere, & so I'm 100% buying the BU67/269v2 asap. But thinking about adding a bright mic... A BN251... Maybe I should go Elly instead. xxxxx louis
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2024 15:50:52 GMT -6
Hey it's like those Classic Horror movies... The Vampire's been invited in! My Kidding aside, it was/is an option for me to train as a Classical Countertenor (High Male Soprano). Normally around Town, it's primarily on Soul and Reggae stuff. (With Blondie Chaplin back "Sitting In"-I want to do some Beach Boys material with him too Live) More details on Elly etc... Before bed tonight/after work. EDIT: Elly Studio is nicer for my voice. But IMHO got a nice "one take" Character Voice cut on the 47jr here. (Since sold to another RGO member. Now my "ex" 47jr is on Drum cymbals. ) Thanks Louis. Chris P.S. Blondie and Jelani Jones (World Anthem) both have unreal Male Falsettos BTW! Fuller than mine. But my voice is set higher. So usually am better with one or two of these guys.
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Post by lowlou on Aug 26, 2024 18:49:26 GMT -6
I sometime struggle to catch all your good jokes, but if I'm being the vampire lately, please excuse me. My deepest apologies. I'm ingesting all the infos I can get. I'm probably being too intense. I'm all about mics right now. Thanks man for your answer Here's a demo I made when I was 17 with a dynamic mic, the most basic shure IIRC, and Reason (the daw lol). You'll hear one line or two (literally) of me singing. sndup.net/295hcxxxxx
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2024 19:25:05 GMT -6
Not you. Me! The legend is that if you don't invite a Vampire in your home... They can't get in! With all the notable AE's, along with Master Microphone makers (like Ben Sneesby and Eric Heiserman et al)... I recommend you factor in their greater expertise/experience. Along with my Amateur Enthusiasm. More later. And will listen later. Chris P.S. I like offbeat mics often on highly Processed vocals, like on your clip.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 27, 2024 1:04:58 GMT -6
I have the original MKI. Fortunately, the default OG 67 setting seems like one of the real mic "Soul Mates" on my (usual) voice.* The MKII gives even more tonal flexibility. Chris *I also really like my Elly Studio. Particularly for my (rather unusual ) Countertenor. Hey Chessparov Please, could you share some more details about your experience with the Elly on your unusual countertenor register ? "Unusual", what do you mean ? Mine might well be unusual too. It has two sides for sure : punk or academic. Monterey sung on a 251, wow... So good. The dark mic / bright mic dilemna for unusual tenors and countertenors is a topic that interests me, to say the least. dark, in my mental map being U47 & bright being 251, C12(s), C800, Redd. I need to start somewhere, & so I'm 100% buying the BU67/269v2 asap. But thinking about adding a bright mic... A BN251... Maybe I should go Elly instead. xxxxx louis A proper original 251 Style, is somewhat brighter than a 47 FET. But smooth "brighter". Not harsh. I know I'm "preaching to the choir" here. But RGO'ers can't live with just one microphone alone. Good thing is however many mics you end up getting... They'll be of high quality and complementary to one another in tone. BTW it was 251 on a number of Tommy James/Shondells vocals. And C12 for Eric Burdon on "Monterey". Chris P.S. Some months ago, when I was extremely "warmed up", it sounded exactly like a Woman's natural Soprano! I certainly wouldn't have made a career out of Countertenor. It was very weird to look in the mirror while singing like that.
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Post by lowlou on Aug 27, 2024 5:55:58 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification regarding Monterey. I dearly love the way the singer occupies the front stage in a creative way on the Animals music. He maintains his voice on a mid-rangey plateau most times. Rarely does he goes deep. He fills the presence region throughout their songs. A true "front-runner".
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The Beesneez 251, based on the Paulcheeba's son audio snippet on GS, is definitely on the "smooth 251" side of the 251 spectrum. Out of all the other 251 clones readily hearable online, it's the smoothest I've heard yet. I don't hear as much """rapsy""" texture on the BN251 as on other 251 clones. There *is* a slight texture uptop, but it's not overbearing, it's of a fine granularity, and quiet. I hear this texture when I compare the paulcheeba BN251 audio snippets to another completely different microphone or modern songs. Only then do I distinctly hear the BN251 texture. It's a saturated "plateau", a "pedestal" to stand on ; for singers that try to sustain and extend the "presence" ambitus of their upper chest voice.
I wonder if the """raspy""" qualities I hear on many 251 clones are due to clone manufacturers reproducing the sound of their 50+ old greasy 251. & maybe what gives the 251 a sustained relevance TODAY, IS actually the aging """raspy""" qualities ; its wrinkles. Not so much its brand-new "pedestal" sound, that only past people sang onto.
Splitting hairs is exhausting. This hair is very thick though.
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An then, to my ears the old C12 long body is this same kind of 251 sound, but flater, clearer, neatly organized & extended, and less saturated maybe.
If the C12 is an abstract front-runner pedestal or plateau, then the 251 would be a dimly lit cabaret scene ; and above it, one centric spotlight reveals the cold cigaret smoke suspended in the air.
These images make the 251 sound like a vulgar mic, but it's not vulgar when it has the smooth sound of the BN251 I hear in the audio snippets (I'd die to hear more...).
Now I do not know if a C12 long body sounds any different than a C12A, and why it does or doesn't. But it's important and I want to find out !
The long body BC12 is more expensive than the compact BC12a ( but not by much actually). They gravitate around 2K€.
Is the C12 long body the ultimate incarnation of the C12 sound ? Or is the C12a a "same for less" kind of deal ? This I'd like to know. Maybe if I ask nicely someone will answer in the Gearspace thread. If someone knows... Chime in, thx in advance, and thx Chessparov for your input. Funny you say my voice is heavily processed. The high pitched sung parts are absolutely not. Maybe a light eq, but that would be it ! There is zero compressor used in this whole demo. I didn't understood compression at the time, and I did without.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 27, 2024 14:01:08 GMT -6
I've done without for years. Chris
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Post by srb on Aug 27, 2024 20:27:00 GMT -6
I'll offer a vote for the ADK Z67. Love mine.
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