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Post by markfouxman on Jun 6, 2024 22:04:21 GMT -6
Here is a promo video:
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Post by recordingengineer on Jun 6, 2024 22:10:22 GMT -6
that mic is huge! You’re going to end up needing some kind of Matthelini clamp for that thing! Yes, it is a big beast! Width-wise, it’s definitely as thin as it could get, but we’ll soon see if I could have gone shorter. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Jun 6, 2024 22:28:41 GMT -6
Damn I need a few of those! |
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Post by christophert on Jun 7, 2024 2:21:52 GMT -6
I'm skeptical - my brain tells me it can't be better than traditional shockmounts.
I get that it may work in upright form on a heavy mic - but as soon as it is angled, the design looks like it will not do it's job.
Pass.
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2024 8:48:45 GMT -6
I'm skeptical - my brain tells me it can't be better than traditional shockmounts. I get that it may work in upright form on a heavy mic - but as soon as it is angled, the design looks like it will not do it's job. Pass. Understand the reluctance to try a totally different approach, and I haven’t discussed with the god Dr what he is actually using for the suspension but just looking at it I’m assuming he is using an elastomer. Elastomer’s are used in Motorcycle and mountain bike suspension both on their own and in combination with gas shocks. The fact is very few manufacturers actually build or design their own shocks mounts, most are sourced to fit the mic with little thought of how they will actually suspend the mic. I have encountered way to many manufacturers who have suggested replacing the elastic bands with those elastic hair bands, so would you rather support and suspend say a vintage 67 with a crimped piece of elastic that came in a package of 1/2 a dozen for a dollar and we’re not designed to carry a load, but to keep hair together?. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2024 8:54:47 GMT -6
Yes, indeed the weight range is essential for the maximum efficiency of any suspension. The problem however, is not only the weight, but also leverage of the mic. Say, Melodium 42B, or RCA44 are not only heavy at some 5 lbs, but also pretty large, so working with 45 degree angle will increase the rating to more like 8lbs. The three dot is the answer (Ward really got the point correctly:) and should be coming out together with the others. We just didn’t have the sample yet to post the pics. It will be twice as long at some 6”, vs 3” for one and two dots versions to compensate for leverage. Estimated rating is up to 10 lbs. The only heavier mic I can think of is historical Siemens/Klangfilm/Telefunken Ela M201 from 1928, which has a huge ceramic horseshoe magnet and weighs 10lbs. This one probably won’t work with 45 degree angle and will need even higher rating. Best, M Mark I’m going to assume that these were not really intended to be used to permanently store a larger mic on a stand long term. May I suggest that if that is the case to clearly state that in all publications. In my years of living next to the Fullco service dept I have seen way to many mics that fell to the floor in the middle of the night. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 7, 2024 9:44:44 GMT -6
Wow! I was just looking at the Neumann one, thinking, that it won’t work for my needs, then you post this! Don’t know what the finished-weight will be yet (as it’s guts are going in now), but now I know the direction to look! drive.google.com/file/d/1URJY-99irYoMiSZRbMMKvId6CBzf_6sF/view?usp=drivesdk(I don’t know why, but I’ve never been able to get pictures from my Google Drive to insert the image here.)  |
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Post by markfouxman on Jun 7, 2024 10:49:59 GMT -6
Yes, indeed the weight range is essential for the maximum efficiency of any suspension. The problem however, is not only the weight, but also leverage of the mic. Say, Melodium 42B, or RCA44 are not only heavy at some 5 lbs, but also pretty large, so working with 45 degree angle will increase the rating to more like 8lbs. The three dot is the answer (Ward really got the point correctly:) and should be coming out together with the others. We just didn’t have the sample yet to post the pics. It will be twice as long at some 6”, vs 3” for one and two dots versions to compensate for leverage. Estimated rating is up to 10 lbs. The only heavier mic I can think of is historical Siemens/Klangfilm/Telefunken Ela M201 from 1928, which has a huge ceramic horseshoe magnet and weighs 10lbs. This one probably won’t work with 45 degree angle and will need even higher rating. Best, M Mark I’m going to assume that these were not really intended to be used to permanently store a larger mic on a stand long term. May I suggest that if that is the case to clearly state that in all publications. In my years of living next to the Fullco service dept I have seen way to many mics that fell to the floor in the middle of the night.
Eric,
From standpoint of the shock itself it doesn't care what weight it carries, what angle it is turned, or how long it can withstand those conditions, as long as it is designed to carry that weight, the weight rating is chosen correctly, and material longevity allows to use in the chosen fashion for an extended period of time.
In other words, all the shock mount cares about for effective functioning is compliance of the system, mechanical leverage and weight distribution between the microphone and shock mount itself, elongation of the material before breaking, and ability of the material to 'remember' original shape after applied force. So in the end it is all about correct design of the system and implementation. We did our best to consider and bring all those parameters together for the maximum effectiveness and years of reliable use.
Best regards, M
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Post by markfouxman on Jun 9, 2024 10:09:59 GMT -6
A quick video Griffin put together yesterday to show effectiveness of the ShokBase:
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Post by cortez07 on Jun 10, 2024 7:35:10 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jun 10, 2024 8:38:35 GMT -6
Ask recordingengineer it's his mic. I just provided the image that wouldn't bed for him |
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Post by recordingengineer on Jun 10, 2024 17:29:56 GMT -6
In that picture, it’s an empty-shell and internal-frame I had just picked-up between sessions from the cool local guy 5-minutes from my house, who built it for me; inspired by the RFT CM-7151. Right now, Chris Prucher at Barbaric Amplification is turning it into an “Americanized” version of the 7151 for me with 5693 tubes and a Cinemag-version of the S219D…. That’s me and my crazy ideas! |
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Post by ericn on Jul 17, 2024 13:15:59 GMT -6
OK as I have stated elsewhere I just bought 10 Rycote UM7’s for a ridiculous price, basically 10 shipped for the special price of 2 of these.
Don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Rycote fan, but now I’m seeing an issue, they are going to take up a Seahorse case all on their own, where as I could have fit these in the same case as the mics.
The extra case is going to cost at least as much as these but more importantly it’s one more fing case !
Long term going to have to start buying these.
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