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Post by Quint on Jun 3, 2024 23:21:20 GMT -6
Can you use Reaper as a plugin within an insert slot in another DAW? I swear I read somewhere that you could do that, but I can't seem to make it happen.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 3, 2024 23:54:35 GMT -6
hm not sure about Reaper. You can with the newest version of Wavelab though.
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Post by Quint on Jun 3, 2024 23:56:39 GMT -6
hm not sure about Reaper. You can with the newest version of Wavelab though. You can with Reason too. And a few other DAWs. |
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Post by copperx on Jun 4, 2024 1:34:19 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 6:16:42 GMT -6
I was already aware of Rewire, but I want Reaper to work as a plugin if possible, not with something like Rewire. Reason can, for example, be placed right into an insert in Pro Tools or Luna or whatever. No third party routing like Rewire or AM Inject needed. If Reaper can't do that, oh well. I was just thinking I had read somewhere that Reaper could function as a plugin. If Reaper can't do this, I'd be interested in hearing what other DAWs are out there that can function as a plugin? Reason and FL Studio (and now, maybe Wavelab) are the only ones I know of. Reaper was just appealing because of it's very efficient use of CPU. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 4, 2024 6:21:58 GMT -6
hm not sure about Reaper. You can with the newest version of Wavelab though. Wow I didn't know that - time for me to upgrade, I'm still on 11. |
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 6:32:50 GMT -6
hm not sure about Reaper. You can with the newest version of Wavelab though. I've never used Wavelab. That's sort of a mastering DAW, right? How is it on CPU efficiency? Can Wavelab do hardware inserts? |
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Post by svart on Jun 4, 2024 6:37:51 GMT -6
I was already aware of Rewire, but I want Reaper to work as a plugin if possible, not with something like Rewire. Reason can, for example, be placed right into an insert in Pro Tools or Luna or whatever. No third party routing like Rewire or AM Inject needed. If Reaper can't do that, oh well. I was just thinking I had read somewhere that Reaper could function as a plugin. If Reaper can't do this, I'd be interested in hearing what other DAWs are out there that can function as a plugin? Reason and FL Studio (and now, maybe Wavelab) are the only ones I know of. Reaper was just appealing because of it's very efficient use of CPU. It's weird because I'd swear I read that too, that Reaper can be used as a plugin inside another daw. But I can't see how. I can't find a single shred of information on it either.. But I'd bet money that I read it could.. However I think maybe I'm mis-remembering the actual statement. They could have said "Use reaper FROM a plugin in another DAW" instead of "Use reaper AS a plugin in another daw". |
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 6:46:31 GMT -6
I was already aware of Rewire, but I want Reaper to work as a plugin if possible, not with something like Rewire. Reason can, for example, be placed right into an insert in Pro Tools or Luna or whatever. No third party routing like Rewire or AM Inject needed. If Reaper can't do that, oh well. I was just thinking I had read somewhere that Reaper could function as a plugin. If Reaper can't do this, I'd be interested in hearing what other DAWs are out there that can function as a plugin? Reason and FL Studio (and now, maybe Wavelab) are the only ones I know of. Reaper was just appealing because of it's very efficient use of CPU. It's weird because I'd swear I read that too, that Reaper can be used as a plugin inside another daw. But I can't see how. I can't find a single shred of information on it either.. But I'd bet money that I read it could.. However I think maybe I'm mis-remembering the actual statement. They could have said "Use reaper FROM a plugin in another DAW" instead of "Use reaper AS a plugin in another daw". I was thinking you were one of the people I heard it from. I can't find anything on the internet either. I tried looking for the availability of Reaper in my plugin list in Luna. I rescanned for plugins and everyone. No dice. I was hoping I was just doing something wrong, but it seems like Reaper can't do it. If so, that's too bad. Knowing Reaper, that seems like the sort of thing they would be at the forefront on. |
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Post by svart on Jun 4, 2024 7:03:29 GMT -6
It's weird because I'd swear I read that too, that Reaper can be used as a plugin inside another daw. But I can't see how. I can't find a single shred of information on it either.. But I'd bet money that I read it could.. However I think maybe I'm mis-remembering the actual statement. They could have said "Use reaper FROM a plugin in another DAW" instead of "Use reaper AS a plugin in another daw". I was thinking you were one of the people I heard it from. I can't find anything on the internet either. I tried looking for the availability of Reaper in my plugin list in Luna. I rescanned for plugins and everyone. No dice. I was hoping I was just doing something wrong, but it seems like Reaper can't do it. If so, that's too bad. Knowing Reaper, that seems like the sort of thing they would be at the forefront on. Have you tried just dragging and dropping the reaper exe into your plugin list? |
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 7:06:12 GMT -6
I was thinking you were one of the people I heard it from. I can't find anything on the internet either. I tried looking for the availability of Reaper in my plugin list in Luna. I rescanned for plugins and everyone. No dice. I was hoping I was just doing something wrong, but it seems like Reaper can't do it. If so, that's too bad. Knowing Reaper, that seems like the sort of thing they would be at the forefront on. Have you tried just dragging and dropping the reaper exe into your plugin list? I'm on Mac, so it wouldn't be an .exe, but I haven't tried the Mac equivalent of what you're suggesting. I'm not sure how to do that, or if it's possible on Mac/Luna. |
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Post by christopher on Jun 4, 2024 10:50:56 GMT -6
I must have read same thing, years ago now, they must have meant rewire. Thats too bad. Reason as a plugin is pretty cool.
I’d swear I’ve used it from a USB stick! Now that was cool.. “my home DAW” could be used on any PC in any studio in theory. I tried it on a few studio computers. Must have worked because I remember the sessions and not troubleshooting. No iLok, no installing crap, just worked.
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Post by svart on Jun 4, 2024 12:56:15 GMT -6
I must have read same thing, years ago now, they must have meant rewire. Thats too bad. Reason as a plugin is pretty cool. I’d swear I’ve used it from a USB stick! Now that was cool.. “my home DAW” could be used on any PC in any studio in theory. I tried it on a few studio computers. Must have worked because I remember the sessions and not troubleshooting. No iLok, no installing crap, just worked. The USB thing is undoubtedly true. I've used it like that a few times. |
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Post by lowlou on Jun 4, 2024 13:27:54 GMT -6
It won't work. Reaper is not a plugin but Reason now is.
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 14:02:37 GMT -6
So, for the sake of discussion, what other DAWs are out there that can do the following:
1. Function as an AU plugin in an insert in a different DAW
2. Have latency compensated hardware inserts capability
3. Operate with CPU efficiency
I had thought Reaper was the ticket for all three items above, but I guess Reaper doesn't meet item #1. I hear Reason works as a plugin, and I believe it has hardware inserts, but not sure about the CPU efficiency, and the version with hardware inserts also isn't exactly cheap, from what I've seen (~$400).
What else is out there? The idea here is that I'm wanting to explore the possibility of using a DAW, with HW inserts capability, as a plugin insert in Luna, for the purposes of creating a backdoor way of getting HW inserts capability in Luna itself.
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Post by svart on Jun 4, 2024 14:09:09 GMT -6
So, for the sake of discussion, what other DAWs are out there that can do the following: 1. Function as an AU plugin in an insert in a different DAW 2. Have latency compensated hardware inserts capability 3. Operate with CPU efficiency I had thought Reaper was the ticket for all three items above, but I guess Reaper doesn't meet item #1. I hear Reason works as a plugin, and I believe it has hardware inserts, but not sure about the CPU efficiency, and the version with hardware inserts also isn't exactly cheap, from what I've seen (~$400). What else is out there? The idea here is that I'm wanting to explore the possibility of using a DAW, with HW inserts capability, as an insert in Luna, for the purposes of creating a backdoor way of getting HW inserts capability in Luna itself. Honestly I don't see how any daw can work as a plugin since plugins are not programs themselves, so I would think that most daws would not have the ability to run a program in place of a plugin. |
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 14:38:37 GMT -6
So, for the sake of discussion, what other DAWs are out there that can do the following: 1. Function as an AU plugin in an insert in a different DAW 2. Have latency compensated hardware inserts capability 3. Operate with CPU efficiency I had thought Reaper was the ticket for all three items above, but I guess Reaper doesn't meet item #1. I hear Reason works as a plugin, and I believe it has hardware inserts, but not sure about the CPU efficiency, and the version with hardware inserts also isn't exactly cheap, from what I've seen (~$400). What else is out there? The idea here is that I'm wanting to explore the possibility of using a DAW, with HW inserts capability, as an insert in Luna, for the purposes of creating a backdoor way of getting HW inserts capability in Luna itself. Honestly I don't see how any daw can work as a plugin since plugins are not programs themselves, so I would think that most daws would not have the ability to run a program in place of a plugin. I know for sure that Reason can run as a plugin with another DAW. So can Wavelab, apparently. So maybe there are others. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 4, 2024 15:06:12 GMT -6
hm not sure about Reaper. You can with the newest version of Wavelab though. Wow I didn't know that - time for me to upgrade, I'm still on 11. Yeah it's an interesting cool feature hm not sure about Reaper. You can with the newest version of Wavelab though. I've never used Wavelab. That's sort of a mastering DAW, right? How is it on CPU efficiency? Can Wavelab do hardware inserts? Yeah I use it for mastering. Mostly because it's very very efficient. And works great. You can do external inserts yes but I don't use it that way. I do a record loop. And since I've always just been working with stereo masters, never multi tracks, I'm not sure how the delay compensation works if you're putting external inserts on one track and not the other. It's not really designed to be multitrack mix down platform. It can do that, common to do stem mastering in it or surround work. But it's not a DAW like Protools or Reaper in that sense. It's made to be great for mastering and IMO is very good at it. Justin Perkins has a lot of wonderful workflow tutorials on Wavelabs Youtube that show how it can be used. Plus many others. |
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 15:42:17 GMT -6
Wow I didn't know that - time for me to upgrade, I'm still on 11. Yeah it's an interesting cool feature I've never used Wavelab. That's sort of a mastering DAW, right? How is it on CPU efficiency? Can Wavelab do hardware inserts? Yeah I use it for mastering. Mostly because it's very very efficient. And works great. You can do external inserts yes but I don't use it that way. I do a record loop. And since I've always just been working with stereo masters, never multi tracks, I'm not sure how the delay compensation works if you're putting external inserts on one track and not the other. It's not really designed to be multitrack mix down platform. It can do that, common to do stem mastering in it or surround work. But it's not a DAW like Protools or Reaper in that sense. It's made to be great for mastering and IMO is very good at it. Justin Perkins has a lot of wonderful workflow tutorials on Wavelabs Youtube that show how it can be used. Plus many others. So, reading the manual, I see that there is an "external effects" plugin within Wavelab, that seems like it would do what I want, which is to get audio out and back in, in a latency compensated fashion. 1. Do you personally use the external effects plugin in Wavelab? 2. If so, do you personally use the external effects plugin in Wavelab while Wavelab is inserted as a plugin in your main DAW? 3. Can the external effects plugin in Wavelab "see" the hardware AD/DA when Wavelab is inserted as a plugin in your main DAW? |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 4, 2024 16:25:14 GMT -6
Yeah it's an interesting cool feature Yeah I use it for mastering. Mostly because it's very very efficient. And works great. You can do external inserts yes but I don't use it that way. I do a record loop. And since I've always just been working with stereo masters, never multi tracks, I'm not sure how the delay compensation works if you're putting external inserts on one track and not the other. It's not really designed to be multitrack mix down platform. It can do that, common to do stem mastering in it or surround work. But it's not a DAW like Protools or Reaper in that sense. It's made to be great for mastering and IMO is very good at it. Justin Perkins has a lot of wonderful workflow tutorials on Wavelabs Youtube that show how it can be used. Plus many others. So, reading the manual, I see that there is an "external effects" plugin within Wavelab, that seems like it would do what I want, which is to get audio out and back in, in a latency compensated fashion. 1. Do you personally use the external effects plugin in Wavelab? 2. If so, do you personally use the external effects plugin in Wavelab while Wavelab is inserted as a plugin in your main DAW? 3. Can the external effects plugin in Wavelab "see" the hardware AD/DA when Wavelab is inserted as a plugin in your main DAW? 1. No. I use a ref track to send out an output to my analog chain then record that back in on another track. Then do digital processing from there. 2. No I don't use this function. I use Wavelab fully stand alone. The only real reason I personally at this time would use Wavelab as a plugin is the metering built into wavelab is excellent. 3. No idea. But to me, if you're using external hardware why would you do it this way anyways an not just a hardware insert in your DAW. Seems like a lot of extra steps for no real gains. |
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Post by nnajar on Jun 4, 2024 16:31:05 GMT -6
I bet you can get those external inserts with metaplugin
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Post by svart on Jun 4, 2024 16:39:07 GMT -6
So I guess I understand what you want to do now..
Why not just use the ReaInsert plug-in in Luna?
You should be able to find the plug-in file from reaper and just move it to wherever Luna finds it's plugins.
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 16:42:27 GMT -6
So, reading the manual, I see that there is an "external effects" plugin within Wavelab, that seems like it would do what I want, which is to get audio out and back in, in a latency compensated fashion. 1. Do you personally use the external effects plugin in Wavelab? 2. If so, do you personally use the external effects plugin in Wavelab while Wavelab is inserted as a plugin in your main DAW? 3. Can the external effects plugin in Wavelab "see" the hardware AD/DA when Wavelab is inserted as a plugin in your main DAW? 1. No. I use a ref track to send out an output to my analog chain then record that back in on another track. Then do digital processing from there. 2. No I don't use this function. I use Wavelab fully stand alone. The only real reason I personally at this time would use Wavelab as a plugin is the metering built into wavelab is excellent. 3. No idea. But to me, if you're using external hardware why would you do it this way anyways a not just a hardware insert in your DAW. Seems like a lot of extra steps for no real gains. Luna doesn't have hardware inserts built in yet. That's why I'm exploring this sort of thing. I'd prefer to not be doing any of this, but it is what it is, for now. |
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2024 16:43:32 GMT -6
So I guess I understand what you want to do now.. Why not just use the ReaInsert plug-in in Luna? You should be able to find the plug-in file from reaper and just move it to wherever Luna finds it's plugins. As far as I'm aware, you can only use ReaInsert within Reaper itself. Unless you know something I don't? ReaInsert would be perfect if you could actually use it outside of Reaper. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 4, 2024 16:45:26 GMT -6
1. No. I use a ref track to send out an output to my analog chain then record that back in on another track. Then do digital processing from there. 2. No I don't use this function. I use Wavelab fully stand alone. The only real reason I personally at this time would use Wavelab as a plugin is the metering built into wavelab is excellent. 3. No idea. But to me, if you're using external hardware why would you do it this way anyways a not just a hardware insert in your DAW. Seems like a lot of extra steps for no real gains. Luna doesn't have hardware inserts built in yet. That's why I'm exploring this sort of thing. I'd prefer to not be doing any of this, but it is what it is, for now. ahhh gotcha. That would be an interesting work around. I'd bet you can try it with the demo. Think its 7 days. |
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