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Post by tasteliketape on May 31, 2024 9:17:55 GMT -6
Haven’t demoed yet but interesting. Don’t even know how you would emulate Ad/Da , but at least it’s not another 1176 clone . Hoping it’s just close to the. Hardware lol Scroll down the page in the link www.threebodytech.com/en/products/deepvintage |
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Post by drumsound on May 31, 2024 9:24:25 GMT -6
That whole page feels like snake oil to me
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Post by tasteliketape on May 31, 2024 9:29:12 GMT -6
That whole page feels like snake oil to me There Kirchhoff eq is killer , not sure of there other plugins |
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Post by trakworxmastering on May 31, 2024 10:21:08 GMT -6
Wow.
Looks like mostly an emulation of the Burl transformer sound. If they were going for the converter sound then they'd have to put in sample rate choices.
Burl has several different ADCs and DACs that sound different, and jumpers on some of the cards that affect the sound, so I wonder which specific options they modeled...
There's not much info on the page, and their use of "AI" all over the place makes me cringe. Doubtful there's real AI in any of their stuff, and it's marketing hype. As if you get actual AI for $29.
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Post by ragan on May 31, 2024 10:29:59 GMT -6
There is one thing I really miss about the Burl ADC, which is what it did to acoustic guitar. I’ll demo and see.
I don’t think it’s at all outlandish to think they’re using machine learning for the modeling. It will become more and more the norm.
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Post by trakworxmastering on May 31, 2024 10:38:17 GMT -6
There is one thing I really miss about the Burl ADC, which is what it did to acoustic guitar. I’ll demo and see. I don’t think it’s at all outlandish to think they’re using machine learning for the modeling. It will become more and more the norm. Sure, it's just when they put "AI" in the name of the plugin. A bit much. |
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Post by doubledog on May 31, 2024 11:14:05 GMT -6
That whole page feels like snake oil to me I think some of that feeling is the Chinese to English translation (which does not always come out well if there is not an English-first-language person involved. Such as when you let AI do your translations too). But so far I'm not impressed by most plugins that use AI (or at least claim to use AI in bold print). |
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Post by phantom on May 31, 2024 11:27:08 GMT -6
They are legit. The Kirchhoff EQ and the Cenozoix Compressor are 2 very well thought plugins.
But god that page is sketch as f. If I dind't their other plugin, I would be afraid of a virus just for clicking on the page link.
Left a bad taste in my mouth, I would love the sound o Burl in plugin land, but I don't know if I'm trying this.
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Post by drumsound on May 31, 2024 12:23:42 GMT -6
They are legit. The Kirchhoff EQ and the Cenozoix Compressor are 2 very well thought plugins. But god that page is sketch as f. If I dind't their other plugin, I would be afraid of a virus just for clicking on the page link. Left a bad taste in my mouth, I would love the sound o Burl in plugin land, but I don't know if I'm trying this. I didn't realize these are the Kirchoff folks. I think I demoed it last year and I thought it was a nice EQ, but I didn't bite the bullet. |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 31, 2024 13:25:56 GMT -6
I remember when I first got Kirchhoff directly from them my computer was freaking out with security warnings. If it hadn't been vouched for I wouldn't of installed, even then it was with trepidation. Maybe PA will pick these up too.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 31, 2024 13:29:35 GMT -6
I get that Burl has a sound... but a plugin that models AD/DA conversion really feels like we've completely jumped the shark on the modeling thing. Maybe it sounds great, it very well may. But I just have to chuckle a little bit.
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Post by plinker on May 31, 2024 16:53:00 GMT -6
I get that Burl has a sound... but a plugin that models AD/DA conversion really feels like we've completely jumped the shark on the modeling thing. Maybe it sounds great, it very well may. But I just have to chuckle a little bit. Yeah 👍 Fonzie is certainly wearing his leather jacket. |
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Post by russellcreekps on May 31, 2024 18:06:22 GMT -6
There is one thing I really miss about the Burl ADC, which is what it did to acoustic guitar. I’ll demo and see. I don’t think it’s at all outlandish to think they’re using machine learning for the modeling. It will become more and more the norm. what were the settings you liked for acoustic guitar? I.e. how hard are were you hitting it and how much attenuation? |
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Post by Dan on Jun 2, 2024 14:37:21 GMT -6
Wow. Looks like mostly an emulation of the Burl transformer sound. If they were going for the converter sound then they'd have to put in sample rate choices. Burl has several different ADCs and DACs that sound different, and jumpers on some of the cards that affect the sound, so I wonder which specific options they modeled... There's not much info on the page, and their use of "AI" all over the place makes me cringe. Doubtful there's real AI in any of their stuff, and it's marketing hype. As if you get actual AI for $29. You can develop it with ai to get typical distortion settings from a simplified circuit model. But when pushed, often it breaks down and does not emulate the true sound from a circuit model. See the new softube (emulates speaker and overloud (uses ai to make their fluid irs) and mercurial amp sims sounding a lot more interesting than the more one note but good neuraldsp and taranov sims. www.neuralampmodeler.com/Or compare the hd mode of cytomic the scream to any other modeled pedal itb. It wrecks them. Why bother on this when you already have a ton of other distortion models. Same with Kirchhoff and the Compressor. They seem very throw everything at the wall and see what sticks design wise as tools.🧰 |
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Post by ericn on Jun 2, 2024 16:15:15 GMT -6
Wow. Looks like mostly an emulation of the Burl transformer sound. If they were going for the converter sound then they'd have to put in sample rate choices. Burl has several different ADCs and DACs that sound different, and jumpers on some of the cards that affect the sound, so I wonder which specific options they modeled... There's not much info on the page, and their use of "AI" all over the place makes me cringe. Doubtful there's real AI in any of their stuff, and it's marketing hype. As if you get actual AI for $29. You can develop it with ai to get typical distortion settings from a simplified circuit model. But when pushed, often it breaks down and does not emulate the true sound from a circuit model. See the new softube (emulates speaker and overloud (uses ai to make their fluid irs) and mercurial amp sims sounding a lot more interesting than the more one note but good neuraldsp and taranov sims. www.neuralampmodeler.com/Or compare the hd mode of cytomic the scream to any other modeled pedal itb. It wrecks them. Why bother on this when you already have a ton of other distortion models. Same with Kirchhoff and the Compressor. They seem very throw everything at the wall and see what sticks design wise as tools.🧰 We call this a cash grab my friend, but honestly it makes the hardware a hard sell when in order to sell your plugin it’s going to require you to get a bunch of your high profile customers to say “ it sounds just like the hardware “. So who needs the hardware? Honestly before I even were to play with this I personally would be talking to EMMR about some nice 1:1 iron to try before my AD and after my DA. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 2, 2024 16:31:14 GMT -6
There is one thing I really miss about the Burl ADC, which is what it did to acoustic guitar. I’ll demo and see. I don’t think it’s at all outlandish to think they’re using machine learning for the modeling. It will become more and more the norm. what were the settings you liked for acoustic guitar? I.e. how hard are were you hitting it and how much attenuation? Not really any settings…I just noticed if you hit the Burl at a decent level, you get the Burl sheen thing. I don’t ever hear anyone talking about the top end of the Burl, but it’s one reason I sold mine. There’s definitely a smiley curve. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 2, 2024 16:35:59 GMT -6
ragan what were the settings you liked for acoustic guitar? I.e. how hard are were you hitting it and how much attenuation? Not really any settings…I just noticed if you hit the Burl at a decent level, you get the Burl sheen thing. I don’t ever hear anyone talking about the top end of the Burl, but it’s one reason I sold mine. There’s definitely a smiley curve. I should say - it sounded great on certain things to me - acoustics being one of them. I bet it would sound awesome on drums too…but I just mix in my room… |
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Post by tonygunz21 on Jun 2, 2024 17:17:24 GMT -6
Haven’t demoed yet but interesting. Don’t even know how you would emulate Ad/Da , but at least it’s not another 1176 clone . Hoping it’s just close to the. Hardware lol Scroll down the page in the link www.threebodytech.com/en/products/deepvintageI believe Schwabe Digital's Gold Clip plugin is supposed to emulate clipping a Lavry |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 2, 2024 17:26:39 GMT -6
Haven’t demoed yet but interesting. Don’t even know how you would emulate Ad/Da , but at least it’s not another 1176 clone . Hoping it’s just close to the. Hardware lol Scroll down the page in the link www.threebodytech.com/en/products/deepvintageI believe Schwabe Digital's Gold Clip plugin is supposed to emulate clipping a Lavry Ash from Acustica models several. Even looks like the Lavry |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jun 2, 2024 17:32:01 GMT -6
Kirchhoff EQ is my favorite clean digital EQ plugin. If the same devs are behind this one, I’d love to try it. I doubt it will replicate what tracking through a great ADC can do, but like Ash from Acustica, it could be cool in a mastering context.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Jun 3, 2024 9:47:38 GMT -6
ragan what were the settings you liked for acoustic guitar? I.e. how hard are were you hitting it and how much attenuation? Not really any settings…I just noticed if you hit the Burl at a decent level, you get the Burl sheen thing. I don’t ever hear anyone talking about the top end of the Burl, but it’s one reason I sold mine. There’s definitely a smiley curve. I too have never heard anyone say that about the top end of Burl ADCs, or any Burl gear. Def not my experience. Huh. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 3, 2024 11:25:46 GMT -6
There is one thing I really miss about the Burl ADC, which is what it did to acoustic guitar. I’ll demo and see. I don’t think it’s at all outlandish to think they’re using machine learning for the modeling. It will become more and more the norm. what were the settings you liked for acoustic guitar? I.e. how hard are were you hitting it and how much attenuation? I don't remember, sorry. Probably not that much attenuation. A click or two from the least amount. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 3, 2024 11:27:41 GMT -6
My vocals sounded harsher through the Burl, a little. I would track pretty much anything but vocals through the Burl, and then use the Apollo for vocals. It was one of the things that nudged me to moving on from it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 3, 2024 13:33:54 GMT -6
Not really any settings…I just noticed if you hit the Burl at a decent level, you get the Burl sheen thing. I don’t ever hear anyone talking about the top end of the Burl, but it’s one reason I sold mine. There’s definitely a smiley curve. I too have never heard anyone say that about the top end of Burl ADCs, or any Burl gear. Def not my experience. Huh. Ok |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 3, 2024 13:34:26 GMT -6
My vocals sounded harsher through the Burl, a little. I would track pretty much anything but vocals through the Burl, and then use the Apollo for vocals. It was one of the things that nudged me to moving on from it. Exactly my experience. |
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