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Post by kcatthedog on May 30, 2024 4:51:04 GMT -6
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Post by okcrecording on May 30, 2024 20:58:53 GMT -6
I had a pro 790 desk for awhile, I still miss those preamps and EQ.
Thanks for posting this.
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Post by ericn on May 30, 2024 21:03:27 GMT -6
I had a pro 790 desk for awhile, I still miss those preamps and EQ. Thanks for posting this. I miss the modified Harrison that was in Smart’s B room, and I owned a Raven that yeah I miss. |
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Post by ragan on May 30, 2024 21:06:28 GMT -6
I liked the UAD Harrison EQ so much that I bought a pair of the Great River Harrison EQs and they’ve been my go-to for like 10 years now.
Is this plug new?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 31, 2024 3:32:49 GMT -6
I don’t recall seeing anything about this before.
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Post by bossanova on May 31, 2024 7:51:00 GMT -6
I liked the UAD Harrison EQ so much that I bought a pair of the Great River Harrison EQs and they’ve been my go-to for like 10 years now. Is this plug new? From what I gather, it's a quiet correction to the 32C Channel they released 2 years ago or so that was touted as a full modeled emulation of the Harrison Channel and was called out shortly after for being a completely clean digital EQ with the Harrison curves. I seem to remember cramping also being a thing. (Edit: this also seems to be confirmed by the original channel plug not being available anymore.) |
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Post by the other mark williams on May 31, 2024 8:45:27 GMT -6
I liked the UAD Harrison EQ so much that I bought a pair of the Great River Harrison EQs and they’ve been my go-to for like 10 years now. Is this plug new? From what I gather, it's a quiet correction to the 32C Channel they released 2 years ago or so that was touted as a full modeled emulation of the Harrison Channel and was called out shortly after for being a completely clean digital EQ with the Harrison curves. I seem to remember cramping also being a thing. (Edit: this also seems to be confirmed by the original channel plug not being available anymore.) does this new one seem to address all those issues? At least from what you’ve seen/heard so far? |
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Post by Dan on May 31, 2024 9:15:25 GMT -6
All of the compressors have holds like a gate. Gross.
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Post by Dan on May 31, 2024 9:33:30 GMT -6
From what I gather, it's a quiet correction to the 32C Channel they released 2 years ago or so that was touted as a full modeled emulation of the Harrison Channel and was called out shortly after for being a completely clean digital EQ with the Harrison curves. I seem to remember cramping also being a thing. (Edit: this also seems to be confirmed by the original channel plug not being available anymore.) does this new one seem to address all those issues? At least from what you’ve seen/heard so far? No. It's pretty much the same thing with an aliasing distortion algorithm of some sorts tacked on. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a polynomial wave shapers and a high pass filter instead of a hysteresis algorithm but what do I know? I just demoed it hoping it would be like the new SSL 4k B and 4K E strips. It's not. The Waves SSL EV2 and pretty much everything you own considered good sounding from Waves Renaissance to UAD to the subtle to weird stuff in Slick EQ GE sounds better than this. I compared the compressors to the oldschool Sonnox Oxford Dynamics and they're neither as smooth nor as controllable. They don't really compress, they reduce the volume and hold the sound down instead of releasing, increasing gain, with the signal. Like the old Metric Halo channel strip compressors prior to Mio. Mio isn't very good either but it does compress. It has a silly linear release and you can match the similarly silly ReaComp to it pretty much perfectly if you turn off classic attack and RMS in ReaComp.
You cannot enable just the high pass filter. You always get a resonant high pass and low pass when you enable the filters.
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Post by ragan on May 31, 2024 10:07:19 GMT -6
The cutoffs in the hardware are pretty resonant too, part of their sound (which I like).
I haven’t tried this plug yet but wasn’t too wow’d with the demo video.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 31, 2024 10:26:10 GMT -6
Ya, me neither .
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Post by chessparov on May 31, 2024 11:42:59 GMT -6
I guess "so much" for Mixbus 10...
For us in the Cheap Seats then.
Thanks guys, Chris
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Post by okcrecording on May 31, 2024 13:28:17 GMT -6
Bummer, maybe they should stick with hardware.
Also not wowed by the video.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 4, 2024 14:36:46 GMT -6
does this new one seem to address all those issues? At least from what you’ve seen/heard so far? No. It's pretty much the same thing with an aliasing distortion algorithm of some sorts tacked on. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a polynomial wave shapers and a high pass filter instead of a hysteresis algorithm but what do I know? I just demoed it hoping it would be like the new SSL 4k B and 4K E strips. It's not. The Waves SSL EV2 and pretty much everything you own considered good sounding from Waves Renaissance to UAD to the subtle to weird stuff in Slick EQ GE sounds better than this. I compared the compressors to the oldschool Sonnox Oxford Dynamics and they're neither as smooth nor as controllable. They don't really compress, they reduce the volume and hold the sound down instead of releasing, increasing gain, with the signal. Like the old Metric Halo channel strip compressors prior to Mio. Mio isn't very good either but it does compress. It has a silly linear release and you can match the similarly silly ReaComp to it pretty much perfectly if you turn off classic attack and RMS in ReaComp.
You cannot enable just the high pass filter. You always get a resonant high pass and low pass when you enable the filters.
A bit off topic, but what compressors do you currently favor Dan (I know of the TDR ones) |
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Post by Dan on Jun 4, 2024 22:33:32 GMT -6
No. It's pretty much the same thing with an aliasing distortion algorithm of some sorts tacked on. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a polynomial wave shapers and a high pass filter instead of a hysteresis algorithm but what do I know? I just demoed it hoping it would be like the new SSL 4k B and 4K E strips. It's not. The Waves SSL EV2 and pretty much everything you own considered good sounding from Waves Renaissance to UAD to the subtle to weird stuff in Slick EQ GE sounds better than this. I compared the compressors to the oldschool Sonnox Oxford Dynamics and they're neither as smooth nor as controllable. They don't really compress, they reduce the volume and hold the sound down instead of releasing, increasing gain, with the signal. Like the old Metric Halo channel strip compressors prior to Mio. Mio isn't very good either but it does compress. It has a silly linear release and you can match the similarly silly ReaComp to it pretty much perfectly if you turn off classic attack and RMS in ReaComp.
You cannot enable just the high pass filter. You always get a resonant high pass and low pass when you enable the filters.
A bit off topic, but what compressors do you currently favor Dan (I know of the TDR ones) Right now, my most used one right as of late is Oxford Dynamics, then the TDR compressors (Kotelnikov GE on busses. Molot often on mix bus or on something that needs some smack or color or strange response), Drum Leveler compacting drum performances, MDWDRC2 as a brutal leveler replacing automation, Vulf as a nuke. Sometimes Oxford Limiter on two bus because it can behave like an SSL on crack. Main limiter is Limiter 6 GE.
I have a ton of good stuff I almost never use outside of being one trick ponies because I don't like the response or they're just limiting to use in the real world, e.g. the only Fuse plug I like as a tool is the VCL-515 but it only does a couple of things and Ray cleaned up the insane response to make it from a special effect into a pretty good but limited tool, Weiss DS1 and PSP Impressor are sheened with quirks, Presswerk (own to support Sascha Eversmeier for making Blockfish. Smooth response to crazy fx possible but the phase shift in HQ mode) and the Softube Chandler (don't own because of the phase shift. sounds great) have the phase shift, Oldtimer pumps, MJUC is more of a distortion box which is what I use it as, Faraday and Powair have too long lookaheads, etc.
I want to add The Glue and Ursa Boost and I need to buy Thimeo Stereo Tool too. I'm waiting on the Glue HD after hearing what the HD button did to the Scream.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 4, 2024 23:41:01 GMT -6
A bit off topic, but what compressors do you currently favor Dan (I know of the TDR ones) Right now, my most used one right as of late is Oxford Dynamics, then the TDR compressors (Kotelnikov GE on busses. Molot often on mix bus or on something that needs some smack or color or strange response), Drum Leveler compacting drum performances, MDWDRC2 as a brutal leveler replacing automation, Vulf as a nuke. Sometimes Oxford Limiter on two bus because it can behave like an SSL on crack. Main limiter is Limiter 6 GE.
I have a ton of good stuff I almost never use outside of being one trick ponies because I don't like the response or they're just limiting to use in the real world, e.g. the only Fuse plug I like as a tool is the VCL-515 but it only does a couple of things and Ray cleaned up the insane response to make it from a special effect into a pretty good but limited tool, Weiss DS1 and PSP Impressor are sheened with quirks, Presswerk (own to support Sascha Eversmeier for making Blockfish. Smooth response to crazy fx possible but the phase shift in HQ mode) and the Softube Chandler (don't own because of the phase shift. sounds great) have the phase shift, Oldtimer pumps, MJUC is more of a distortion box which is what I use it as, Faraday and Powair have too long lookaheads, etc.
I want to add The Glue and Ursa Boost and I need to buy Thimeo Stereo Tool too. I'm waiting on the Glue HD after hearing what the HD button did to the Scream.
Wow so much detail that is awesome. I really love the Vulf. I also know that you like Kelvin an apShaper as Distortion plugins and I have replaced Fabfilter Saturn with it (idk what it is about that one, it sounds good - but a bit boring). Do you have some good tools for minor saturation like preamps, channel strips etc. I found most of the noise in them sounds terrible and the distortion of nearly all is just dialing in either a bit of even or odd saturation (whcih I can do for free with gsatplus and that one oversamples too). I also look for a general purpose reverb/delay. I used to use Valhalla Vintage Verb and the Delay, but I found them to be more and more mudboxes the more I learn. I like Mercurial Spark, but seem to have fallen out off love with the Neural DSP Plugins. Any other amp sims you like? Sorry if I bother you too much, but thanks for the answers in Advance. |
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Post by Dan on Jun 5, 2024 0:07:42 GMT -6
Right now, my most used one right as of late is Oxford Dynamics, then the TDR compressors (Kotelnikov GE on busses. Molot often on mix bus or on something that needs some smack or color or strange response), Drum Leveler compacting drum performances, MDWDRC2 as a brutal leveler replacing automation, Vulf as a nuke. Sometimes Oxford Limiter on two bus because it can behave like an SSL on crack. Main limiter is Limiter 6 GE.
I have a ton of good stuff I almost never use outside of being one trick ponies because I don't like the response or they're just limiting to use in the real world, e.g. the only Fuse plug I like as a tool is the VCL-515 but it only does a couple of things and Ray cleaned up the insane response to make it from a special effect into a pretty good but limited tool, Weiss DS1 and PSP Impressor are sheened with quirks, Presswerk (own to support Sascha Eversmeier for making Blockfish. Smooth response to crazy fx possible but the phase shift in HQ mode) and the Softube Chandler (don't own because of the phase shift. sounds great) have the phase shift, Oldtimer pumps, MJUC is more of a distortion box which is what I use it as, Faraday and Powair have too long lookaheads, etc.
I want to add The Glue and Ursa Boost and I need to buy Thimeo Stereo Tool too. I'm waiting on the Glue HD after hearing what the HD button did to the Scream.
Wow so much detail that is awesome. I really love the Vulf. I also know that you like Kelvin an apShaper as Distortion plugins and I have replaced Fabfilter Saturn with it (idk what it is about that one, it sounds good - but a bit boring). Do you have some good tools for minor saturation like preamps, channel strips etc. I found most of the noise in them sounds terrible and the distortion of nearly all is just dialing in either a bit of even or odd saturation (whcih I can do for free with gsatplus and that one oversamples too). I also look for a general purpose reverb/delay. I used to use Valhalla Vintage Verb and the Delay, but I found them to be more and more mudboxes the more I learn. I like Mercurial Spark, but seem to have fallen out off love with the Neural DSP Plugins. Any other amp sims you like? Sorry if I bother you too much, but thanks for the answers in Advance. Kelvin is great but I don't own it. I think it's better than Unisum, which is really tweaky and can dirty up if you speed it up to do more, push the detectors toward peak, and defeat the FirComp like smoothing filter that's there without a a lookahead unlike the simple classic Renaissance Compressor and Oxford Dynamics. I have Tupe, the Fuse plugs, ApShaper, SDRR2, Decapitator, Radiator, Vintage Warmer, a bunch of PSP stuff, some Softube. I tend to use stuff like Tupe, Decapitator, Radiator, and Vintage Warmer a lot to radically change the sound. The lofi guys love the TCS-68. It's not as vivid in the midrange as the hardware and modern cassette quality sucks but it doesn't work on everything and you need multiple instances to use the eq before the tape which is an annoying workflow but the pre and tape are tied to the same drive knob. The other Fuse plugs are good too but they're not "lofi" other than maybe the vcl-373 pump and taking the top end off and vcl-25 driven into oscillation. Subtle saturation / non linearity / tone a lot of normal plugins already have like Molot, Presswerk, Slick EQ GE, the Sonnox warmth/enhance/overdrive, Ren Comp warmth. Even the MDW, Weiss, and Fabfilter plugs have a sound to me. The PSP EQs have always had some saturation options.
I don't know man. I have a few general purpose reverbs but the latest one is Tai Chi and it sounds really good. Delays, I have Satin, most of the PSP ones, what comes in the DAWs, the Fuse bucket bridge, Colour Copy is my favorite colored delay. The Relab Sonsig line also sounds great and better than their emulations to me. I need to buy the chorus.
I really like the Softube Celestion Shaper for IRs. I think it's one of their best plugs. Otherwise Overloud is good and general purpose, some of the Neural DSP sound good, Mercurial sounds good, the later Softube ones sound good, there's a lot of amp sims that sound pretty good to me now, especially if you run them into something else.
Use what you like that solves your problems. Software is cheap now. Just don't pile on the plugin inserts and crap up the sound.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 5, 2024 2:11:08 GMT -6
Wow so much detail that is awesome. I really love the Vulf. I also know that you like Kelvin an apShaper as Distortion plugins and I have replaced Fabfilter Saturn with it (idk what it is about that one, it sounds good - but a bit boring). Do you have some good tools for minor saturation like preamps, channel strips etc. I found most of the noise in them sounds terrible and the distortion of nearly all is just dialing in either a bit of even or odd saturation (whcih I can do for free with gsatplus and that one oversamples too). I also look for a general purpose reverb/delay. I used to use Valhalla Vintage Verb and the Delay, but I found them to be more and more mudboxes the more I learn. I like Mercurial Spark, but seem to have fallen out off love with the Neural DSP Plugins. Any other amp sims you like? Sorry if I bother you too much, but thanks for the answers in Advance. Kelvin is great but I don't own it. I think it's better than Unisum, which is really tweaky and can dirty up if you speed it up to do more, push the detectors toward peak, and defeat the FirComp like smoothing filter that's there without a a lookahead unlike the simple classic Renaissance Compressor and Oxford Dynamics. I have Tupe, the Fuse plugs, ApShaper, SDRR2, Decapitator, Radiator, Vintage Warmer, a bunch of PSP stuff, some Softube. I tend to use stuff like Tupe, Decapitator, Radiator, and Vintage Warmer a lot to radically change the sound. The lofi guys love the TCS-68. It's not as vivid in the midrange as the hardware and modern cassette quality sucks but it doesn't work on everything and you need multiple instances to use the eq before the tape which is an annoying workflow but the pre and tape are tied to the same drive knob. The other Fuse plugs are good too but they're not "lofi" other than maybe the vcl-373 pump and taking the top end off and vcl-25 driven into oscillation. Subtle saturation / non linearity / tone a lot of normal plugins already have like Molot, Presswerk, Slick EQ GE, the Sonnox warmth/enhance/overdrive, Ren Comp warmth. Even the MDW, Weiss, and Fabfilter plugs have a sound to me. The PSP EQs have always had some saturation options.
I don't know man. I have a few general purpose reverbs but the latest one is Tai Chi and it sounds really good. Delays, I have Satin, most of the PSP ones, what comes in the DAWs, the Fuse bucket bridge, Colour Copy is my favorite colored delay. The Relab Sonsig line also sounds great and better than their emulations to me. I need to buy the chorus.
I really like the Softube Celestion Shaper for IRs. I think it's one of their best plugs. Otherwise Overloud is good and general purpose, some of the Neural DSP sound good, Mercurial sounds good, the later Softube ones sound good, there's a lot of amp sims that sound pretty good to me now, especially if you run them into something else.
Use what you like that solves your problems. Software is cheap now. Just don't pile on the plugin inserts and crap up the sound.
Thanks a lot, yeah I am pretty guilty of putting in too many plugins on a single channel |
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Post by Dan on Jun 5, 2024 8:00:06 GMT -6
Kelvin is great but I don't own it. I think it's better than Unisum, which is really tweaky and can dirty up if you speed it up to do more, push the detectors toward peak, and defeat the FirComp like smoothing filter that's there without a a lookahead unlike the simple classic Renaissance Compressor and Oxford Dynamics. I have Tupe, the Fuse plugs, ApShaper, SDRR2, Decapitator, Radiator, Vintage Warmer, a bunch of PSP stuff, some Softube. I tend to use stuff like Tupe, Decapitator, Radiator, and Vintage Warmer a lot to radically change the sound. The lofi guys love the TCS-68. It's not as vivid in the midrange as the hardware and modern cassette quality sucks but it doesn't work on everything and you need multiple instances to use the eq before the tape which is an annoying workflow but the pre and tape are tied to the same drive knob. The other Fuse plugs are good too but they're not "lofi" other than maybe the vcl-373 pump and taking the top end off and vcl-25 driven into oscillation. Subtle saturation / non linearity / tone a lot of normal plugins already have like Molot, Presswerk, Slick EQ GE, the Sonnox warmth/enhance/overdrive, Ren Comp warmth. Even the MDW, Weiss, and Fabfilter plugs have a sound to me. The PSP EQs have always had some saturation options.
I don't know man. I have a few general purpose reverbs but the latest one is Tai Chi and it sounds really good. Delays, I have Satin, most of the PSP ones, what comes in the DAWs, the Fuse bucket bridge, Colour Copy is my favorite colored delay. The Relab Sonsig line also sounds great and better than their emulations to me. I need to buy the chorus.
I really like the Softube Celestion Shaper for IRs. I think it's one of their best plugs. Otherwise Overloud is good and general purpose, some of the Neural DSP sound good, Mercurial sounds good, the later Softube ones sound good, there's a lot of amp sims that sound pretty good to me now, especially if you run them into something else.
Use what you like that solves your problems. Software is cheap now. Just don't pile on the plugin inserts and crap up the sound.
Thanks a lot, yeah I am pretty guilty of putting in too many plugins on a single channel with modern cpus, it’s easy to pile up the non-linearities that neither really change the sound even in the stack up nor cause digital artifacts and the real question is why? Digital got us away from that and having to use the garbage because it was cheap or small and fit the budget or channel strip and then just got better but go to gearspace and people are fawning over garbage even though there is gear and plugs today to replace all of the garbage. They would rather feed analog garbage into digital garbage and of course most modern production ends up being cyclical and listening to it makes you feel like a worm is eating your brain like rfk jr. |
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