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Post by linas on May 28, 2024 15:30:25 GMT -6
Hey, here is my room, I have HS8's and custom highend's. I want to do that thing. Okay here's the vid: jumpshare.com/s/65tXV36yNjE820Urxr3XI don't really wanna buy into that theoretical bullshit, why not go crazy and actually be A MASTER and not an repeater. I have minidsp flex laying around, small additional ctrl room and very nice vox room (small). Nobody ever really listens to my music despite a few people so it's rather good to be top at being top. Anywho, I understand that I sound a bit demented but that's what I am in the of the day I guess. I don't do outboard. I have Babyface Pro FS. I think the room sounds nice. Walls are just wood and glasswool and old burnt trash (very old technology). The prior owner of the room was heavily invested in radio technology, all that type of thing. The size of the room is around 14-14.5 m2 |
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Post by ericn on May 28, 2024 15:38:17 GMT -6
Short answer carefully.
long answer: start with the equilateral triangle, listen, measure frequency response take notes, mark position move monitors repeat. Run with the position that’s the best compromise.
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Post by linas on May 28, 2024 15:42:35 GMT -6
Yes, that's the type of the answer I was expecting. Yet, I remember younger days when I was able to make music with a Sony boombox standing on the right side from me. CRT monitor on the left, all that jizz....
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Post by explorer on May 28, 2024 16:52:46 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on May 28, 2024 17:32:07 GMT -6
Yes, that's the type of the answer I was expecting. Yet, I remember younger days when I was able to make music with a Sony boombox standing on the right side from me. CRT monitor on the left, all that jizz.... Yeah, the problem has always been every time I have ever followed one of the formulas or manufacturers suggestions, it’s always underwhelming so I think of it just like mics, move those transducers! |
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Post by linas on May 29, 2024 0:23:02 GMT -6
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Post by svart on May 29, 2024 7:15:34 GMT -6
Just get some adjustable stands and put them up on either side of the monitor and point them towards your ears in your normal sitting position with the tweeters roughly at ear height and you should be 90% of the way there.
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Post by linas on May 29, 2024 10:21:20 GMT -6
Yeah, I figured it. I'll use my old K&M stands. I'll place biggies on a book, then yamm on top
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Post by linas on May 29, 2024 10:22:48 GMT -6
Not sure which monitor will be my main monitor set, Quested copies or the yamms.
I guess my friend will help me set up the whole tuning thing with flex
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Post by linas on May 29, 2024 16:52:02 GMT -6
Okay, so my room is very very good but I have come up with an idea. There extra storage space in front of my desk. Tight small room for extra stuff. Tiny storage room. Same diameters, all that. I could pretty utilize it into a wall mounting / soffit system. I was told that soffit mounting fixes bass problems tremendesly. Would it be very beneficial? I'm repeating myself 10x's of times, my speakers are designed to be soffit mounted, passive & all that. I would only need to do minor construction work, fill the space with some material, organize storage (mostly old stuff, pretty much garbage in the eyes of home ladies)
P.S. sommehow I feel most of my questions gets answered by eric
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 3, 2024 8:43:35 GMT -6
Start with an equilateral triangle, then move closer together until it sounds right. Ported speakers also need to be farther out into the room than sealed.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 3, 2024 10:32:38 GMT -6
Not to argue with Bob, since he is way more experienced than me. (much respect)
But... I have found that in smaller spaces, I got a much flatter low end by putting the monitors as close to the front wall as possible, even for rear-ported speakers. Why is that so? It has to do with the 1/4 wave reflection off the front wall. Measure how far from the wall your woofer is. Double that and you have the 1/2 wave legnth. Look up what frequency is at that wavelegnth and you will know what your dip is going to be. Remember, the half wave will be exactly out of phase with the full wave. No matter what, you're going to have some dip in the frequency response. It could be anywhere from 80-120HZ. When my monitors were where they "theoritically" should have been, I had a 16dB dip at 80HZ. Pushing the monitors to the front wall moved the dip to 90HZ but that dip was now only 7dB. Play with the placement and do sweep tests to see what really going on. Then use room correction software to get you the rest of the way there. Smaller rooms are never going to be perfect but with absorption and room correction software, you can get the mix position close to flat. Then, all your EQ moves are going to translate onto other systems.
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Post by ericn on Jun 4, 2024 20:10:14 GMT -6
What’s going to be best is so dependent on the particular speaker, and furnishing. Bob’s advice was the rule, until we started putting a video monitor between the speakers, in terms of just LF, but that baffle between the speakers can really screw soundstage. The monitor if it’s close enough to the edge of the cabinets can increase LF, but it’s usually a pretty small LF frequency range that see’s the boost.
Flush, soffit mounting can be absolutely amazing, if and this is a big if you know what you’re doing. One of the first issues is you need an acoustics guy who knows your choice of speakers. Those who think in terms of generic speakers are doomed to fail.
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Post by linas on Jun 5, 2024 22:35:58 GMT -6
I guess we are going that route I just don't know what the main use of our facility will be :////
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Post by linas on Jun 7, 2024 11:10:02 GMT -6
Moral services after big shows maybe? Hiding spot after Arena events??? F' knows
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Post by linas on Aug 21, 2024 12:38:37 GMT -6
 My babies BTW, this is HS8 next to custom 8 inch passive speaker. 23.5 kg of beautiful |
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