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Post by chessparov on Jun 1, 2024 11:56:53 GMT -6
Did that bunch of Sinatra/Darin songs need to get re-keyed... Beyond the C? Hitsville 'Verb on vocal clip below. Thanks again Bob O.!  Chris |
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Post by bossanova on Jun 1, 2024 12:45:25 GMT -6
But it's only worth what people will pay. Now that the new price regime at UA is in effect, I wonder how many people will balk at the idea of paying $150 for a Neve plugin when everything else is going for $40 or $50 or less. If UA customers no longer are willing to pay $150 for a UAD Neve plugin, it won't really matter what the people at Neve think the name is worth. I suspect both sides, UA and Neve, are each entrenched in their position, and are waiting to see who blinks first, hence why none of the UAD Neve plugins, except for the 1073, have been ported to native, and the 1073 is really only available on native as part of a squirrely work around. I was more so referring to the original agreement, but I totally see what you mean, and I think you're right. Though, without being privy to inside info, we won't know. The Neve cache still means a lot, and it's possible that the UAD 'sanctioned' Neve things still get the price put on them. Marketing is a weird thing, and so is perception. I really don’t get the love for Superplate. I’ve not found a single use for it. I think that's just one of those situations where individual interaction can't really be explained. We all hear things a little differently and we all have things that make sense to us in the moment. When Little Plate first hit, I did a Karaoke type thing where a kid sang a bunch of Sinatra and Bobby Darin songs. Little Plate (compared to other things I had at the time ITB) just worked. It made sense in context and I didn't have to work hard to get what I was looking for. The SuperPlate, therefore also made sense. I probably sound make myself spend more time with the 140 so that I feel more 'at one' with it. It has different options and whatnot, and I've never thought it to sound bad. When Spark first came out I put UAD Pure Plate head to head blind with Little Plate and was genuinely surprised to find that Little Plate consistently sounded more "like a record" on vocals than the UAD. Bob really talked Little Plate up a few years ago and I admit that I honestly didn't expect it to sound as good as it did in a critical listening situation. |
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Post by bossanova on Jun 1, 2024 13:53:24 GMT -6
And here comes psp to undercut their sale: www.jrrshop.com/psp-2445 Code: GROUP = $20.58 You can use both the 244 and 245 at once to make some crazy sounds. Also endorsed by Dr. Barry Blesser. Dan, for $20.58 you finally sold me. Bought after listening to a handful of demos. |
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Post by wiz on Jun 1, 2024 15:07:28 GMT -6
I own the neve summing and the api summing…..the api gets used every song
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 1, 2024 19:10:01 GMT -6
Tried the 140 again and I just think it sounds kinda flat compared to Transatlantic, Inspirata, and SP2016's plate. Have to mess around with it more later but I've tried it a few times since 2018. Start on B…make sure it’s all the way stereo with the knob. Turn the two mod knobs up halfway…Pull the HP input filter up to get rid of the rumble…if you need brighter go to plate A…Darker, C. great tip, thanks! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 1, 2024 19:14:08 GMT -6
I was more so referring to the original agreement, but I totally see what you mean, and I think you're right. Though, without being privy to inside info, we won't know. The Neve cache still means a lot, and it's possible that the UAD 'sanctioned' Neve things still get the price put on them. Marketing is a weird thing, and so is perception. I think that's just one of those situations where individual interaction can't really be explained. We all hear things a little differently and we all have things that make sense to us in the moment. When Little Plate first hit, I did a Karaoke type thing where a kid sang a bunch of Sinatra and Bobby Darin songs. Little Plate (compared to other things I had at the time ITB) just worked. It made sense in context and I didn't have to work hard to get what I was looking for. The SuperPlate, therefore also made sense. I probably sound make myself spend more time with the 140 so that I feel more 'at one' with it. It has different options and whatnot, and I've never thought it to sound bad. When Spark first came out I put UAD Pure Plate head to head blind with Little Plate and was genuinely surprised to find that Little Plate consistently sounded more "like a record" on vocals than the UAD. Bob really talked Little Plate up a few years ago and I admit that I honestly didn't expect it to sound as good as it did in a critical listening situation. That’s weird - the reason I don’t use it is because it just never sounds right in a mix…not saying either of us are right or wrong…just IMO |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 1, 2024 19:15:48 GMT -6
There's something like that on Abbey Road Studio 3 from Waves where it rarely if ever drops below $50 on sales and is exempt from many of their promotions. That's not the case with the other Nx plugs which suggests there is a unique agreement there. Case in point. The UA half yearly sale just started. A ton of plugins are on sale for $50, but the Neve stuff is all "on sale" for $150. Damn, think I may now have to buy the 480L…Would prefer to have Relab but don’t think it’ll ever be that low! |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 2, 2024 18:19:37 GMT -6
Ended up getting the 480L and the AKG BX 20 because it was a special of only $25 more when buying a second plug from the ones on sale (and I have pretty much all others)…then I had a $25 voucher in my cart from my last purchase so got em at $25 each…Nice! Never took a look at the AKG before, but was like one thing I don’t have is a spring reverb…messed around with it a bit today, extremely cool plug!
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Post by drumsound on Jun 2, 2024 20:25:43 GMT -6
Ended up getting the 480L and the AKG BX 20 because it was a special of only $25 more when buying a second plug from the ones on sale (and I have pretty much all others)…then I had a $25 voucher in my cart from my last purchase so got em at $25 each…Nice! Never took a look at the AKG before, but was like one thing I don’t have is a spring reverb…messed around with it a bit today, extremely cool plug! Thanks for the reminder that I need to spend more time with the BX20. |
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Post by bluesholyman on Jun 3, 2024 15:36:27 GMT -6
Is anybody else scratching their head thinking what are ua staff actually doing? We’ve already hashed out the customer support debacle, Luna, limps along missing, very obvious features: still, new plugs are reused old code, apollo refresh: who knows ?, 20 year old sharc chip designs, and guitar pedals, and constant remakes of hardware? Is it just me ? No…I’ve been kindve shocked by it too. Now that UA has collapsed prices, it really seems to have rocked prices. Maybe this is a really naive thing to say, but just how much R&D do you have to recoup as a coder? Take something like Sound City. How many do you think they’ve sold? I really have NO idea…and I’m either gonna completely underestimate or overestimate. But let’s just do a round number and say 5000 units. Lets say - $200 average. That’s $1 million. Is there a team of coders? Even if there are 5 coders, you’re not paying them $200k apiece… Is 5000 grossly over or under estimating? Maybe this has been hashed out already, but a development team of about 5 people "or so" can easily have a burn rate of $1M/year - that would be quality developers, not overseas stuff. I would expect DSP coders to be somewhat specialized. I don't do DSP stuff, but am software guy and there is a lot of "other stuff" that costs along with the development. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 3, 2024 15:44:52 GMT -6
No…I’ve been kindve shocked by it too. Now that UA has collapsed prices, it really seems to have rocked prices. Maybe this is a really naive thing to say, but just how much R&D do you have to recoup as a coder? Take something like Sound City. How many do you think they’ve sold? I really have NO idea…and I’m either gonna completely underestimate or overestimate. But let’s just do a round number and say 5000 units. Lets say - $200 average. That’s $1 million. Is there a team of coders? Even if there are 5 coders, you’re not paying them $200k apiece… Is 5000 grossly over or under estimating? Maybe this has been hashed out already, but a development team of about 5 people "or so" can easily have a burn rate of $1M/year - that would be quality developers, not overseas stuff. I would expect DSP coders to be somewhat specialized. I don't do DSP stuff, but am software guy and there is a lot of "other stuff" that costs along with the development. Easily. That's salary alone. Not even including all the other overhead of running a team of people. Rule of thumb for west coast is $2m/year for 5 devs all in. Benefits, office (even part time), taxes, insurance, assorted overhead and... of course, salaries. And we're still at a point where 90% of the good ones are living and working in areas that are very expensive (SF, NYC, London, Berlin, etc). Add that all up and then put it in a niche market and you've got what we see here. Companies scrambling to stay ahead. |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 3, 2024 19:53:18 GMT -6
No…I’ve been kindve shocked by it too. Now that UA has collapsed prices, it really seems to have rocked prices. Maybe this is a really naive thing to say, but just how much R&D do you have to recoup as a coder? Take something like Sound City. How many do you think they’ve sold? I really have NO idea…and I’m either gonna completely underestimate or overestimate. But let’s just do a round number and say 5000 units. Lets say - $200 average. That’s $1 million. Is there a team of coders? Even if there are 5 coders, you’re not paying them $200k apiece… Is 5000 grossly over or under estimating? Maybe this has been hashed out already, but a development team of about 5 people "or so" can easily have a burn rate of $1M/year - that would be quality developers, not overseas stuff. I would expect DSP coders to be somewhat specialized. I don't do DSP stuff, but am software guy and there is a lot of "other stuff" that costs along with the development. Maybe this has been hashed out already, but a development team of about 5 people "or so" can easily have a burn rate of $1M/year - that would be quality developers, not overseas stuff. I would expect DSP coders to be somewhat specialized. I don't do DSP stuff, but am software guy and there is a lot of "other stuff" that costs along with the development. Easily. That's salary alone. Not even including all the other overhead of running a team of people. Rule of thumb for west coast is $2m/year for 5 devs all in. Benefits, office (even part time), taxes, insurance, assorted overhead and... of course, salaries. And we're still at a point where 90% of the good ones are living and working in areas that are very expensive (SF, NYC, London, Berlin, etc). Add that all up and then put it in a niche market and you've got what we see here. Companies scrambling to stay ahead. I really appreciate both of you bringing this up. It's really easy to think that a plugin that sells for whatever price is either a rip off or overpriced. Everyone thinks some dude writes code for a week or two, and BAM there's a plugin on the market and the developers are sitting back raking in cash. There's a lot involved, not only in the work, but the resources and expenses around it. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 4, 2024 19:36:15 GMT -6
What I don’t get is how UAD in particular can do crazy sales from regular msrp? I mean, me getting a $350 plug for $50 is an Insane reduction if they need to make anywhere close to msrp for the amount invested. Makes me think (UAD in particular) can still make decent money at a much lesser price per plugin. I.e. Some of Waves plugs are pretty damn decent, and they are always cheap…does UAD invest mountains more in R&D than Waves?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 5, 2024 13:45:47 GMT -6
What I don’t get is how UAD in particular can do crazy sales from regular msrp? I mean, me getting a $350 plug for $50 is an Insane reduction if they need to make anywhere close to msrp for the amount invested. Makes me think (UAD in particular) can still make decent money at a much lesser price per plugin. I.e. Some of Waves plugs are pretty damn decent, and they are always cheap…does UAD invest mountains more in R&D than Waves? My guess is that they are lowering margins significantly in the hopes of making it up in volume. Also, the development on many of these plugs was likely accounted for years ago so (depending on the success of the plug) they're either grabbing long-tail profit on it at lower margin or they're trying to salvage failed releases by just getting as much revenue as they can on it. Either way, the market sweet spot for very nice plugins seems to have dropped to around $50 - $75 and we can thank companies like TDR and Black Salt and a bunch of other high quality upstarts for that. Now... can someone get that message over to the good folks at Melodyne?? |
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2024 14:24:35 GMT -6
What I don’t get is how UAD in particular can do crazy sales from regular msrp? I mean, me getting a $350 plug for $50 is an Insane reduction if they need to make anywhere close to msrp for the amount invested. Makes me think (UAD in particular) can still make decent money at a much lesser price per plugin. I.e. Some of Waves plugs are pretty damn decent, and they are always cheap…does UAD invest mountains more in R&D than Waves? My guess is that they are lowering margins significantly in the hopes of making it up in volume. Also, the development on many of these plugs was likely accounted for years ago so (depending on the success of the plug) they're either grabbing long-tail profit on it at lower margin or they're trying to salvage failed releases by just getting as much revenue as they can on it. Either way, the market sweet spot for very nice plugins seems to have dropped to around $50 - $75 and we can thank companies like TDR and Black Salt and a bunch of other high quality upstarts for that. Now... can someone get that message over to the good folks at Melodyne?? I'm fine with paying $50 to $75 a plugin too. I don't need it to be $20 a plugin or go home. I'd rather pay more and get a better product and/or better customer service. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 5, 2024 20:12:24 GMT -6
Agreed, under $100 for something good and I’m in…but over that is too high imho. Although, there are some I’ve paid more for because I found the demo to be exceptional…i.e. Pulsar Modular MDN Sidecar and EQ (early bird sale), but it’s also a few plugs in one if ya break it down  . |
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Post by doubledog on Jun 7, 2024 19:33:46 GMT -6
got my special "good news - here is $25 off just for you" email today. So I take a look. Have to buy $99 for it to work. Except that the couple plugins I could still use were on sale already for $49 ea, which means if I bought two then it was $98... I could do the '76 2 for 1 deal for $76 w/o the code (only $2 more, if I was able to spend $99, which I can't...). into the trash.  |
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Post by reddirt on Jun 10, 2024 1:46:40 GMT -6
So that's why it wouldn't work for me - needs a 99 buck purchase ; too bad, so sad.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by reddirt on Jun 10, 2024 1:52:45 GMT -6
So that's why it wouldn't work for me - needs a 99 buck purchase ; too bad, so sad.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by reddirt on Jun 10, 2024 1:53:28 GMT -6
Oops - call it stereo.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Dan on Jun 10, 2024 6:33:01 GMT -6
Maybe this has been hashed out already, but a development team of about 5 people "or so" can easily have a burn rate of $1M/year - that would be quality developers, not overseas stuff. I would expect DSP coders to be somewhat specialized. I don't do DSP stuff, but am software guy and there is a lot of "other stuff" that costs along with the development. Easily. That's salary alone. Not even including all the other overhead of running a team of people. Rule of thumb for west coast is $2m/year for 5 devs all in. Benefits, office (even part time), taxes, insurance, assorted overhead and... of course, salaries. And we're still at a point where 90% of the good ones are living and working in areas that are very expensive (SF, NYC, London, Berlin, etc). Add that all up and then put it in a niche market and you've got what we see here. Companies scrambling to stay ahead. I really appreciate both of you bringing this up. It's really easy to think that a plugin that sells for whatever price is either a rip off or overpriced. Everyone thinks some dude writes code for a week or two, and BAM there's a plugin on the market and the developers are sitting back raking in cash. There's a lot involved, not only in the work, but the resources and expenses around it. And they have to be designed for real world use. Look at dmg, three body tech or melda or let’s be real the softube port of the Weiss eq1 or the cut down reskinned Weiss Comp/Limiter. Yeah it sounds good but are trash in real world use compared to waves ren, sonnox, fabfilter, tdr. The unnecessary controls are crazy and not necessary and they should all be behind the scenes as Vlad G said and he made Molot, which is super intimidating but the controls do change the sound and response. Something like fabfilter pro c2 and the Weiss ds1 are already pushing it because they have settings in place in the main gui where you can defeat the compression or make it pretty much defective. Still better than other compressors that don’t really compress like the Harrison and Metric Halo CS ones. Take apulsoft apshaper. You cannot scroll wheel the Q size easily because scroll wheel can also change the amount of filter poles if moved a few pixels over… I got it in the package for 50 bucks when I wanted the shaper and reverb. Yet will never use it probably. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 11, 2024 21:06:47 GMT -6
So that's why it wouldn't work for me - needs a 99 buck purchase ; too bad, so sad. Cheers, Ross Chandler Curve Bender is exactly $99, and now I have two $25 coupons in my cart…damn you UA! |
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Post by Dan on Jun 11, 2024 22:21:23 GMT -6
So that's why it wouldn't work for me - needs a 99 buck purchase ; too bad, so sad. Cheers, Ross Chandler Curve Bender is exactly $99, and now I have two $25 coupons in my cart…damn you UA! the germanium comp is 89 too. that thing is killer and weird.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 14, 2024 21:35:56 GMT -6
dan , I’ll get it from UA for $49 when applying my coupons. Hmm, maybe worth a demo of the germanium comp, thanks for the tip!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 15, 2024 10:51:30 GMT -6
The zener is my go to parallel drum bus dirt.
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