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Post by prene1 on May 22, 2024 13:47:33 GMT -6
Digital I/O on Apollos is still not delay compensated last time I checked. This right here. It’s a nightmare in protools, only when using the aux bus. They (UA) need ping feature. |
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Post by copperx on May 22, 2024 14:00:23 GMT -6
This brings up the question. What's the best non-REAPER multiplatform DAW?
Luna? PC side is alpha quality
Logic? There's no PC version
ProTools? PC side is neglected. Can't even do DPI scaling right.
Is it Cubase? Studio One? Digital Performer?
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Post by prene1 on May 22, 2024 14:02:29 GMT -6
For sound out the box Mixbus32c.
You’d have to debate between c13 and S1 and that’s a tough one.
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Post by thehightenor on May 22, 2024 14:07:42 GMT -6
I think it may have started as "we can't add hardware inserts because we don't want people realizing how terrible our plugins sound compared to the hardware they are supposed to emulate since we need to sell more plugins" to now.... "we can't figure out how to code hardware inserts...." I do think its relatively difficult to achieve, getting everything to line up in phase with delay compensation. Digital I/O on Apollos is still not delay compensated last time I checked. .... that's such a funny point I hadn't thought of - and a great point. HW inserts are literally the opposite ethos to everything that is UAD. UA are caught in their own paradox. "Luna doesn't need hardware inserts because our plugins sound like hardware" "People won't adopt Luna until it get's hardware inserts because actually hardware does sound better than our plugins" If they were Robbie the robot they might blow every circuit resolving that particular paradox. |
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2024 14:13:44 GMT -6
I think it may have started as "we can't add hardware inserts because we don't want people realizing how terrible our plugins sound compared to the hardware they are supposed to emulate since we need to sell more plugins" to now.... "we can't figure out how to code hardware inserts...." I do think its relatively difficult to achieve, getting everything to line up in phase with delay compensation. Digital I/O on Apollos is still not delay compensated last time I checked. .... that's such a funny point I hadn't thought of - and a great point. HW inserts are literally the opposite ethos to everything that is UAD. UA are caught in their own paradox. "Luna doesn't need hardware inserts because our plugins sound like hardware" "People won't adopt Luna until it get's hardware inserts because actually hardware does sound better than our plugins" If they were Robbie the robot they might blow every circuit resolving that particular paradox. Drew will go out of his way to tell you that hardware isn't needed and that plugins are just as good. So it's always funny to see him twist himself in knots when asked about UA hardware, which often comes up in the context of a HW inserts conversation. But, UA, you sell hardware still, don't you? We need HW inserts for that. I'd be curious to see how much actual hardware UA sells these days. Given what UA charges for their hardware, plus what is going on with the clone market, it might be a surprisingly small number. Who knows. |
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Post by gwlee7 on May 22, 2024 14:34:00 GMT -6
The whole UA thing makes me think more like Marvin the robot in all the Douglas Adams books… being depressed over having the biggest brain in the universe but only allowed to open and close automatic doors.
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Post by wiz on May 22, 2024 14:38:42 GMT -6
Tough room for free software 8)
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Post by thehightenor on May 22, 2024 15:07:45 GMT -6
Tough room for free software 8)  |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2024 16:01:28 GMT -6
Tough room for free software 8) |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 22, 2024 16:08:47 GMT -6
Tough room for free software 8) The problems not the software but the vagaries of the company. |
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2024 16:12:25 GMT -6
What's the latency like on wax cylinder?
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2024 16:14:26 GMT -6
Tough room for free software 8) FYI, I'm just about to wrap up my Stream Deck project for Luna. It's gonna go thru a few weeks of beta, I imagine, but then it'll be ready to share. You had expressed some interest, so I'm just letting you know. |
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Post by bobeschism on May 22, 2024 16:19:18 GMT -6
Do we think UA is really very incentivized to implement hardware inserts? I mean, they want to sell you software, and they don’t really want you thinking about hardware, when you could be thinking about their <insert hyperbolic superlative> emulations. I'm looking forward to the UA Hyperbolic Superlativizer appearing in Spark next month.  |
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Post by wiz on May 22, 2024 16:38:52 GMT -6
Tough room for free software 8) FYI, I'm just about to wrap up my Stream Deck project for Luna. It's gonna go thru a few weeks of beta, I imagine, but then it'll be ready to share. You had expressed some interest, so I'm just letting you know. Great stuff, been a lot of work for you... kudos... cheers Wiz |
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Post by Quint on May 22, 2024 16:42:21 GMT -6
FYI, I'm just about to wrap up my Stream Deck project for Luna. It's gonna go thru a few weeks of beta, I imagine, but then it'll be ready to share. You had expressed some interest, so I'm just letting you know. Great stuff, been a lot of work for you... kudos... cheers Wiz Thanks |
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Post by doubledog on May 23, 2024 8:11:49 GMT -6
Digital I/O on Apollos is still not delay compensated last time I checked. that would explain a lot. I've never had success actually using a hardware insert in real time (with my Apollo 16/Pro Tools). Even if you wrap your head around the whole Apollo "offset" where I/O 16 is actually I/O 18 or whatever.... I can successfully send audio out to hardware and back in on a separate audio track, record that, and PT (studio) compensates for that (the before and after tracks line up perfectly). But if I try to just say, put an EQ or a comp on a hardware insert it's complete chaos. If I turn on "low latency monitoring" then what I hear coming back in is in time (and with the effects - so it seems to be monitoring the incoming signal only), but what actually gets recorded is totally whack (the original track with the effected track together but offset - it's delayed - so it's really just garbage/noise at that point). I had a workaround so I decided not to waste too much more time trying to resolve it (and maybe I never could anyway). |
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Post by ericn on May 23, 2024 13:02:38 GMT -6
Next NAMM we really need to get one of UA’s developers really really drunk and get them to tell us what it’s really like behind the scenes😁
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Post by drumrec on May 23, 2024 13:52:47 GMT -6
Next NAMM we really need to get one of UA’s developers really really drunk and get them to tell us what it’s really like behind the scenes😁 Hahaha.... I can bring Swedish "Absolut Vodka" and you will see that the truth will come out quite quickly. Better up than "in vino veritas". |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 23, 2024 14:12:45 GMT -6
Next NAMM we really need to get one of UA’s developers really really drunk and get them to tell us what it’s really like behind the scenes😁 Finally, something sensible from Eric ! |
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Post by ericn on May 23, 2024 14:30:37 GMT -6
Next NAMM we really need to get one of UA’s developers really really drunk and get them to tell us what it’s really like behind the scenes😁 Hahaha.... I can bring Swedish "Absolut Vodka" and you will see that the truth will come out quite quickly. Better up than "in vino veritas". I can’t remember what manufacturer it was, but one of their engineers told me that at the time they had a strict no drinking policy at trade shows because over the years far to much leaked out in the bar. |
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Post by the other mark williams on May 23, 2024 20:27:05 GMT -6
What's the latency like on wax cylinder? Quote of the year so far |
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Post by chessparov on May 24, 2024 11:36:26 GMT -6
There's a Government Conspiracy going on right now with Wax Cylinders. That's why I'm a confirmed anti-Waxer. Chris |
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Post by chessparov on May 24, 2024 11:37:11 GMT -6
Hahaha.... I can bring Swedish "Absolut Vodka" and you will see that the truth will come out quite quickly. Better up than "in vino veritas". I can’t remember what manufacturer it was, but one of their engineers told me that at the time they had a strict no drinking policy at trade shows because over the years far to much leaked out in the bar. But do you have actual Proof? |
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Post by ericn on May 24, 2024 11:53:40 GMT -6
I can’t remember what manufacturer it was, but one of their engineers told me that at the time they had a strict no drinking policy at trade shows because over the years far to much leaked out in the bar. But do you have actual Proof? Like their drinking habits absolutely zero proof, if I had even 1% Absolutely would have been capitalized 😁 |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 24, 2024 13:38:18 GMT -6
I am just glad windows users can finally at least start trying Luna, it’s a big part of the UA workflow, so now, at least, they can experiment and see what they think/prefer.
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