Luna for windows

No, not until they get hardware inserts implemented.

They did same with Mac version there should be a direct link to developers, so you can comment directly .

Fantastic and congratulations to all PC users (they have been waiting patiently). The flip side of the good news is the wait for "Hardware Insert Delay compensation" will be overshadowed by all the "trial and error" coming in from all PC users and the Luna developers will be busy with it for the next 5 years. Hope I'm wrong though....

Do we think UA is really very incentivized to implement hardware inserts? I mean, they want to sell you software, and they don’t really want you thinking about hardware, when you could be thinking about their <insert hyperbolic superlative> emulations.

There may be some truth to that but, if so, it's laughable that UA uses phrases like "the world's most analog DAW" and still doesn't have HW inserts in Luna.

Drew claims HW inserts are in the top five most requested features at this point, but I don't know that UA actually has any idea how many people want HW inserts in Luna. UA is insisting that people download Luna/UA Connect so that they can then leave feedback thru the app to request HW inserts as a feature add. Not many people are going to be bothered to download an app they won't otherwise use, just to request a feature that may never even come, so the number of people who have actually officially made the request for HW inserts, via the app, could very well be significantly smaller than the true number of people who need/want that feature before they would consider using Luna.

It's that sort of dumbass stubbornness that pisses me off about UA sometimes. They've always been that way, typically insisting that customers meet UA where UA exists, rather than UA meeting customers where customers exist. It's almost as if UA doesn't actually want anymore new customers.

Yep. It's so dumb. I get that UA thinks they're angling to get more people to download Luna for feature request purposes, in the hopes that, once they've got someone in the door, that they'll stick around and give Luna a shot.

And maybe that approach sort of works for other features which maybe aren't of the deal breaker variety, but HW inserts? No way. Those are a total deal breaker kind of feature for many people, and those people simply won't bother. It's a non-starter.

But UA is gonna UA all over this thing, just like they always do.

FYI, since you're using UADx native plugins (right?), that means you should already have UA Connect downloaded. As I understand it, you CAN actually leave feedback and feature requests via UA Connect. So, in your case, you could do that without having to download anything else. But how many potential future Luna users are out there which don't even have UA Connect? UA just seems to assume that everyone is all plugged into the UA ecosystem in some form or fashion, but that's a miscalculation on UA's part.

Probably a lot more money in bedroom rappers buying Warm 800s and UAD 737s...

Charging for what, plugs , as Luna is free ?

It is indeed where the money is at.

I assume you were referring to my post further up in the thread, about prices that UA customers pay?

Historically, people have bought Apollos, plugins, or whatever with knowledge that UA always has continued to develop the software side of the platform over time. That means upgrades to performance or added features or whatever. That continued development has always been at least some part of the selling point. You could buy UA stuff knowing that UA wasn't going to stay stagnant.

Sure, UA might try to say that any future development was never promised, but anybody who ever paid attention knew that the continuing software development was generally something that you could pretty reliably count on. Also, promised or not, UA certainly took advantage of and made additional sales off the back of those customer expectations that UA helped to cultivate.

Historically, that's been irrespective of whether you were on Mac or PC. However, in more recent years with things like Luna, and even on some things like TB driver development, or simple things like resizable plugin GUIs, UA has noticeably been dragging their feet on maintaining parity between Mac and PC.

So my point was simply that, UA sold all of those Apollos and plugins and whatever else over the years, at least in part on the general expectation from ALL customers that development would continue, as it always had. So, when UA continued as normal on Mac development, but started to leave PC customers out in the cold with a lack of equal development, it started to feel like UA was moving the goal posts on PC customers.

I had a similar argument about customer service. It's gone down hill at UA. Where is the customer service I PAID for when I purchased my Apollos? That was a big part of the selling point. If I wanted shitty customer service, I could have paid less and just bought an Antelope Orion or something. But I didn't, and now the level of customer service that was already paid for has been taken away by UA.

And Luna may technically be "free", but in practice it isn't. It's a total loss leader, intended to get people to buy all of the goodies to go with it, and the goodies are the real selling point of Luna anyway. Otherwise Luna is just another basic DAW, with no real compelling reason to choose it over any other DAW.

I think it may have started as "we can't add hardware inserts because we don't want people realizing how terrible our plugins sound compared to the hardware they are supposed to emulate since we need to sell more plugins"

to now....

"we can't figure out how to code hardware inserts...."

I do think its relatively difficult to achieve, getting everything to line up in phase with delay compensation.

Digital I/O on Apollos is still not delay compensated last time I checked.