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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 8:15:31 GMT -6
If this thing works, it’s an instant buy. I’ve just tried it briefly. It does seem to resolve issues - but I’m not sure the has rotation thing does anything dynamically like auto align. FUSER resolves conflicting channels by assisting you in adjusting volume balance, enhancing phase optimization, and implementing intelligent mid-side sidechain ducking www.masteringthemix.com/products/fuser |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 9:04:01 GMT -6
Well, here's another "gotta buy." I put this on Kick and bass, EG and AG, then Keys and Steel...and I could toggle it on and off blindly. It most definitely improved clarity and width.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 14, 2024 9:07:41 GMT -6
Tried to demo it for you in logic 11, but the site doesn't seem to have any demo links: all sales are finals but there is a refund process.
I am never very inspired by a company that doesn't provide for demos of plug ins.,
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 9:29:04 GMT -6
I'm running the demo right now.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 9:33:58 GMT -6
But for the life of me...I have no idea how I did it...I can't find a demo link now either
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 9:35:00 GMT -6
Check the link in first post...just fixed it
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 14, 2024 10:00:35 GMT -6
John if I remember you didn't like Auto Align 2 or at least didn't feel like it improved things that much for you. How is this different? The ducking function is different. But what about the rest?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 14, 2024 10:15:25 GMT -6
Working fine in Logic 11.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 11:10:48 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 14, 2024 12:08:49 GMT -6
Haven't had a chance to listen to these tracks yet but I have one more question. Interesting timing here because I was just looking at Track Spacer having really loved Spectre. I'm a big sidechain/ducking fan and I'm using Soothe2 for a lot of this, but it's very resource heavy for something that feels like it shouldn't have to be. I get along great with Auto Align 2 so my question is... is Fuser basically AA2 + Track Spacer or am I thinking about it wrong? |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 15:22:22 GMT -6
Haven't had a chance to listen to these tracks yet but I have one more question. Interesting timing here because I was just looking at Track Spacer having really loved Spectre. I'm a big sidechain/ducking fan and I'm using Soothe2 for a lot of this, but it's very resource heavy for something that feels like it shouldn't have to be. I get along great with Auto Align 2 so my question is... is Fuser basically AA2 + Track Spacer or am I thinking about it wrong? Well, it's Auto Align 1 + Track Spacer. I don't think the phase thingy is dynamic/auto. Could be wrong, but every time I try it I get something different. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 14, 2024 15:25:45 GMT -6
Oh - and it's not resource heavy which is great - I think I had like 5 of them on the one I just finished mixing.
I was kinda dubious as to whether it was making any appreciable difference, but it definitely it. I could really hear it when I had it on the Kick and Bass...it's ducking the bass...when I bypassed and listened to the mix, it would sound great...then you put it back in and "oh shit...there's the kick." So, it's definitely a buy for me.
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Post by drumsound on May 14, 2024 21:53:01 GMT -6
How is the different from Trackspacer?
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Post by FM77 on May 15, 2024 8:12:49 GMT -6
How is the different from Trackspacer? I downloaded the demo to compare.
It very well could be the non modern production style or the lower track count, but for the stuff I might use a ducking tool for (not bass/drums), Trackspacer always feels aggressive if I set it to the point where it is actually helping. A bit like an old gate or hard knee that is balancing too close to the threshold. On most sources, choppy, jumping in and out, losing tone. Even with the AMOUNT control set to 50% or less and dialing in the shelves. FUSER was much less invasive, less affecty, more control. more natural. FUSER is pretty transparent so far. |
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Post by robo on May 15, 2024 8:27:44 GMT -6
I haven’t had a chance to try this, but for folks demoing, you might also give Techivation’s M-Blender a shot. That thing is the most transparent sidechain tool I’ve heard. I use it for the kick/bass thing all the time, and frequently to duck instruments against the vocal.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 15, 2024 8:32:26 GMT -6
How is the different from Trackspacer? I downloaded the demo to compare. It very well could be the non modern production style or the lower track count, but for the stuff I might use a ducking tool for (not bass/drums), Trackspacer always feels aggressive if I set it to the point where it is actually helping. A bit like an old gate or hard knee that is balancing too close to the threshold. On most sources, choppy, jumping in and out, losing tone. Even with the AMOUNT control set to 50% or less and dialing in the shelves. FUSER was much less invasive, less affecty, more control. more natural. FUSER is pretty transparent so far. Same. I still have to get my mind right when I hear the bass ducking…it’s subtle, of course, and you can change the amount of processing and the attack and release… it it’s one of those things that now that you know it’s happening, it’s all you can hear lol. But I do think the space it creates for the kick is more important. Also been using it with Ag’s and EG’s and vocal and Eg and keys and vocal. Individually, you kinda wonder if it’s really doing anything, but my experience (ok one mix so far lol) is that when you bypass them, there’s a big difference in clarity and width. Like note separation. I’m really psyched about this plug and vocal shaper…those are two plugs that have made my mixes sound better for sure. |
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Post by FM77 on May 15, 2024 11:19:32 GMT -6
I downloaded the demo to compare. It very well could be the non modern production style or the lower track count, but for the stuff I might use a ducking tool for (not bass/drums), Trackspacer always feels aggressive if I set it to the point where it is actually helping. A bit like an old gate or hard knee that is balancing too close to the threshold. On most sources, choppy, jumping in and out, losing tone. Even with the AMOUNT control set to 50% or less and dialing in the shelves. FUSER was much less invasive, less affecty, more control. more natural. FUSER is pretty transparent so far. Same. I still have to get my mind right when I hear the bass ducking…it’s subtle, of course, and you can change the amount of processing and the attack and release… it it’s one of those things that now that you know it’s happening, it’s all you can hear lol. But I do think the space it creates for the kick is more important. Also been using it with Ag’s and EG’s and vocal and Eg and keys and vocal. Individually, you kinda wonder if it’s really doing anything, but my experience (ok one mix so far lol) is that when you bypass them, there’s a big difference in clarity and width. Like note separation. I’m really psyched about this plug and vocal shaper…those are two plugs that have made my mixes sound better for sure.
If this is a tool I actually need, I am just learning about it as I go and as I mix through experimentation. In other words, I don't know what I don't know or I don't know what I am missing, if anything. But I am still fresh in the demo mode. Its really different depending on how may SC source inputs you use.
I side-chained bass to kick with compression by default, but alot of the material I write has busier mid forward bass so it's never much of an issue. I downloaded FUSER to try on nylon string lead guitar over a busy 70's style contemporary groove. Its been a really challenging instrument for me to get to stay seated right over an electric based full band. FUSER may or may not be helping...depending on the SC input track.
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Post by Dan on May 15, 2024 11:37:00 GMT -6
Does it do less or more than sound radix pi?
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Post by drumsound on May 15, 2024 11:38:40 GMT -6
How is the different from Trackspacer? I downloaded the demo to compare.
It very well could be the non modern production style or the lower track count, but for the stuff I might use a ducking tool for (not bass/drums), Trackspacer always feels aggressive if I set it to the point where it is actually helping. A bit like an old gate or hard knee that is balancing too close to the threshold. On most sources, choppy, jumping in and out, losing tone. Even with the AMOUNT control set to 50% or less and dialing in the shelves. FUSER was much less invasive, less affecty, more control. more natural. FUSER is pretty transparent so far. I downloaded the demo to compare. It very well could be the non modern production style or the lower track count, but for the stuff I might use a ducking tool for (not bass/drums), Trackspacer always feels aggressive if I set it to the point where it is actually helping. A bit like an old gate or hard knee that is balancing too close to the threshold. On most sources, choppy, jumping in and out, losing tone. Even with the AMOUNT control set to 50% or less and dialing in the shelves. FUSER was much less invasive, less affecty, more control. more natural. FUSER is pretty transparent so far. Same. I still have to get my mind right when I hear the bass ducking…it’s subtle, of course, and you can change the amount of processing and the attack and release… it it’s one of those things that now that you know it’s happening, it’s all you can hear lol. But I do think the space it creates for the kick is more important. Also been using it with Ag’s and EG’s and vocal and Eg and keys and vocal. Individually, you kinda wonder if it’s really doing anything, but my experience (ok one mix so far lol) is that when you bypass them, there’s a big difference in clarity and width. Like note separation. I’m really psyched about this plug and vocal shaper…those are two plugs that have made my mixes sound better for sure. Thank you both. I have Trackspacer, but only use in every once in a while. |
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Post by tasteliketape on May 15, 2024 11:52:27 GMT -6
Mastering the Mix has a buy one get one deal for the month of May .
Code : MAY. At checkout
I bought FUSER and there Reso 63$ for both
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Post by FM77 on May 15, 2024 12:29:49 GMT -6
Does it do less or more than sound radix pi? Different processes. Pi is dynamic 'constant' phase rotation in real time. FUSER is a m/s frequency ducking and volume adjustment, dependent on a source track to conflict with. It hard to say whether it does or doesn't introduce phase or smearing at all in it's process, but it does some heavy cuts to duck. But that said, it does include a single analysis phase rotation function. I didn't have success with it yet. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 15, 2024 12:47:16 GMT -6
Ok I listened to your clips. First, this is a really good mix overall so maybe not the greatest example. All the clips sounds good. For my ears on my AirPods I preferred Clip A by a slim margin. Interestingly on the Fuser website they gave three audio examples for "rock" (also, this is what rock is? ugh), "pop", and "hip hop. I thought the Rock example was marginally better, the Pop example was actually worse, and the Hip Hop example was way better with Fuser. Just my opinion. Truly a taste thing. |
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Post by vvvooojjj on May 15, 2024 13:05:38 GMT -6
How is the different from Trackspacer? I downloaded the demo to compare.
It very well could be the non modern production style or the lower track count, but for the stuff I might use a ducking tool for (not bass/drums), Trackspacer always feels aggressive if I set it to the point where it is actually helping. A bit like an old gate or hard knee that is balancing too close to the threshold. On most sources, choppy, jumping in and out, losing tone. Even with the AMOUNT control set to 50% or less and dialing in the shelves. FUSER was much less invasive, less affecty, more control. more natural. FUSER is pretty transparent so far.
I use Trackspacer amount from 3-10% and almost all the time use the cuts as well. 50% sounds way too much. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 15, 2024 13:09:24 GMT -6
Does it do less or more than sound radix pi? I think the Phase knob on this one would be more like a static picture...like Auto Align will check phase between two mics on the same source...Maybe it's supposed to be checking the phase relationship between the two...but hell - I can't tell anything. Pi still improves the phase relationship dynamically between something like kick and bass...then you could use Fuser to maybe duck the bass out of the way to resolve those conflicts. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 15, 2024 13:11:33 GMT -6
Ok I listened to your clips. First, this is a really good mix overall so maybe not the greatest example. All the clips sounds good. For my ears on my AirPods I preferred Clip A by a slim margin. Interestingly on the Fuser website they gave three audio examples for "rock" (also, this is what rock is? ugh), "pop", and "hip hop. I thought the Rock example was marginally better, the Pop example was actually worse, and the Hip Hop example was way better with Fuser. Just my opinion. Truly a taste thing. Yeah Clip A was with Fuser...and yeah, it's subtle...but that seems to add up when used on several things...it's like when you remove that masking, you get more separation between instruments... |
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