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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 15:17:51 GMT -6
Hey y’all, I’m thinking of selling my ELOP+ and picking up two Audioscape VComps, or two Chandler RS124’s. Would love to get your thoughts on both potential contenders. I like the ELOP+, but it’s pretty clean, and when I want clean I just do it ITB these days. So my chain is all hard patched with a mastering switcher and I like to only keep two options for hardware compressors and pre’s. Already have my fast and punchy compressor/limiter that I love (AS D-Comp), and looking at replacing the Manley for something more vibey that has that slower smooth tubey comp. Mainly these will be used for tracking and mixbus, and sometimes running something out to them when needed. Tracking will be primarily acoustic guitar, bass, electric guitar and of course vocals. So with that versatility in mind, I would love to get your thoughts! (Can’t try either in person unfortunately)
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Post by drbill on May 13, 2024 16:34:29 GMT -6
The RS124 is obviously great, but I've never used one, so no comment there. On the AS V Comp.... YES!! Def smooth, vibey and tubey. I have only used it on mix buss ONCE. It was very cool, but L/R tracking was not good for me. I have the older model though. I'd give a shout out to Chris about stereo usage, cause it definitely fits your criteria otherwise.
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Post by ab101 on May 13, 2024 16:43:40 GMT -6
I have two Gyraf G22s. Lots of features and great value. I am selling the one in newer condition, unless I change my mind! 😀
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Post by seawell on May 13, 2024 17:36:52 GMT -6
For the uses you listed, I’d go with a Retro Revolver. It can be a a good bit faster than the Chandler RS124 which will really come in handy on vocals.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 18:43:47 GMT -6
Thanks all…
Dr bill, appreciate the recommendation, good idea, will send an email to AS and see how they feel about stereo…the possibility of stepped controls certainly gives the RS124 an advantage in that regard.
Ab101, haven’t heard of that unit before, will do some research!
Seawell, I hadn’t considered that option, not sure why since retro makes killer gear. Will have a look at that one for sure, especially since it’s a stereo unit to begin with, and I love how you can chain one into the other for mono sources, yet only use one 2U space. The D-Comp that I have can be pretty darn fast, but I’m sure it would come in handy with this type of compression as well.
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Post by ironinthepath on May 13, 2024 19:22:44 GMT -6
For the uses you listed, I’d go with a Retro Revolver. It can be a a good bit faster than the Chandler RS124 which will really come in handy on vocals. I have a Manley ELOP (not the plus) and a Manley Vari Mu, I'm actually a big fan of each (like the harmonic content as well as compression). Have you had a chance to compare the Retro Revolver to Manley's Vari Mu? Just curious. Thanks! -Chris
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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 19:29:41 GMT -6
I find the ELOP+ really clean, which actually is pretty great on the mixbus at times…but especially when tracking, I’d like something with more character that can also be tamed for the mixbus. I am seriously looking at the Retro now! 2u vs 6u for two V-Comps!
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Post by seawell on May 13, 2024 19:31:11 GMT -6
For the uses you listed, I’d go with a Retro Revolver. It can be a a good bit faster than the Chandler RS124 which will really come in handy on vocals. I have a Manley ELOP (not the plus) and a Manley Vari Mu, I'm actually a big fan of each (like the harmonic content as well as compression). Have you had a chance to compare the Retro Revolver to Manley's Vari Mu? Just curious. Thanks! -Chris Nice! I haven’t had a chance to do that comparison yet but a Manley vari mu is on the wish list so hopefully at some point…
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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 20:12:51 GMT -6
Revolver may have gone to the top of the list! Locomotive 14B also is pretty interesting as well…have looked at those for awhile now, love to hear from anyone who’s had some experience with them.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 20:24:52 GMT -6
Actually, I’m reading a lot of stuff that the Revolver isn’t really a ‘character’ compressor. Seawell, would love to hear more of your personal experiences with it.
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Post by drbill on May 13, 2024 21:01:44 GMT -6
Locomotive 14B also is pretty interesting as well…have looked at those for awhile now, love to hear from anyone who’s had some experience with them. I've got 50+ channels of comps. For mix bus, my absolute favorite are the Manley Vari-Mu and the Locomotive 14B's. The Manley is easier as it's set up to be "stereo". It's a little more retro / vintage sounding for lack of a better term. The 14B's are bigger sounding, more in your face, a tad more modern sounding. I could easily survive with either.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 21:15:34 GMT -6
Locomotive 14B also is pretty interesting as well…have looked at those for awhile now, love to hear from anyone who’s had some experience with them. I've got 50+ channels of comps. For mix bus, my absolute favorite are the Manley Vari-Mu and the Locomotive 14B's. The Manley is easier as it's set up to be "stereo". It's a little more retro / vintage sounding for lack of a better term. The 14B's are bigger sounding, more in your face, a tad more modern sounding. I could easily survive with either. Thx Dr Bill, I have the WT72’s now and love them, so Locomotive definitely has my consideration. I think I saw you mention in another thread using the WT72’s on your mixbus (which i also love!). With the WT72 engaged, do you have a preference for one or the other?
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Post by seawell on May 13, 2024 21:17:53 GMT -6
Actually, I’m reading a lot of stuff that the Revolver isn’t really a ‘character’ compressor. Seawell, would love to hear more of your personal experiences with it. My apologies for the shameless plug but I think this may be helpful to give you an idea of how it sounds: It's a tough call, I don't think you could go wrong with a RS124 or Sta Level(I'd go Retro over V-Comp personally) but I think the Revolver is worth a look and maybe a demo!
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Post by russellcreekps on May 13, 2024 21:24:43 GMT -6
Actually, I’m reading a lot of stuff that the Revolver isn’t really a ‘character’ compressor. Seawell, would love to hear more of your personal experiences with it. My apologies for the shameless plug but I think this may be helpful to give you an idea of how it sounds: It's a tough call, I don't think you could go wrong with an RS124 or Sta Level(I'd go Retro over V-Comp personally) but I think the Revolver is worth a look and maybe a demo! Thx seawell. Your review of the B67 was a huge reason for me purchasing it and it is now my favourite mic…so will definitely take your opinion to heart! Getting late here now, so off to bed, but will certainly check out your review tmrw!
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Post by ab101 on May 13, 2024 22:06:56 GMT -6
Seawell has great reviews and is trustworthy. As to the Elop+, the ergonomics on the front were a little painful (mirrored controls), but the sound was good.
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Post by smashlord on May 13, 2024 22:22:13 GMT -6
I have an RS124. I don't consider it a very versatile box and personally couldn't imagine having 2 of them. The tone is amazing but IMO the time constants are such that it really only works in certain applications. It can sound very right but also very wrong.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 14, 2024 11:24:45 GMT -6
For what it’s worth I’m selling a V-Comp on reverb right now. PM for details.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 14, 2024 19:48:17 GMT -6
Seawell, great review as always! In watching that and doing further research, I think the Revolver is exactly what I’m looking for. Not too mention it’s almost half the price of two RS124’s! If anyone has an extra Revolver laying around and wants to trade for an ELOP+, feel free to PM
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Post by thehightenor on May 15, 2024 1:23:14 GMT -6
I have an RS124. I don't consider it a very versatile box and personally couldn't imagine having 2 of them. The tone is amazing but IMO the time constants are such that it really only works in certain applications. It can sound very right but also very wrong. Yes agreed. I didn't gel with the RS124. There's something about the mids that don't work for me - to much emphasis in that low mid range for my taste.
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Post by thehightenor on May 15, 2024 1:27:46 GMT -6
Hey y’all, I’m thinking of selling my ELOP+ and picking up two Audioscape VComps, or two Chandler RS124’s. Would love to get your thoughts on both potential contenders. I like the ELOP+, but it’s pretty clean, and when I want clean I just do it ITB these days. So my chain is all hard patched with a mastering switcher and I like to only keep two options for hardware compressors and pre’s. Already have my fast and punchy compressor/limiter that I love (AS D-Comp), and looking at replacing the Manley for something more vibey that has that slower smooth tubey comp. Mainly these will be used for tracking and mixbus, and sometimes running something out to them when needed. Tracking will be primarily acoustic guitar, bass, electric guitar and of course vocals. So with that versatility in mind, I would love to get your thoughts! (Can’t try either in person unfortunately) For versatile, nothing has ever beaten my Thermionic Phoenix Mastering Plus. Superb on the mixbus (I personally prefer it to a Manley Vari-Mu) Then it's just about the best vocal, bass and acoustic guitar tracking comp I've ever used. It can also smash the sh*t out of a parallel on a drum bus - sounds amazing there too. They're sonically gorgeous and extremely versatile. For my vocals I use a Retro STA Level but I could be happy with just the Phoenix. Worthy of a demo.
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Post by smashlord on May 15, 2024 15:56:37 GMT -6
I have an RS124. I don't consider it a very versatile box and personally couldn't imagine having 2 of them. The tone is amazing but IMO the time constants are such that it really only works in certain applications. It can sound very right but also very wrong. Yes agreed. I didn't gel with the RS124. There's something about the mids that don't work for me - to much emphasis in that low mid range for my taste. There is for sure a STRONG low mid bump. This works great with acoustics, clean electrics, and a flat wound basses, but can be hit or miss on certain LVs, basses with roundwounds and anything else you don't want low mid coloration on.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 15, 2024 19:10:29 GMT -6
Hey y’all, I’m thinking of selling my ELOP+ and picking up two Audioscape VComps, or two Chandler RS124’s. Would love to get your thoughts on both potential contenders. I like the ELOP+, but it’s pretty clean, and when I want clean I just do it ITB these days. So my chain is all hard patched with a mastering switcher and I like to only keep two options for hardware compressors and pre’s. Already have my fast and punchy compressor/limiter that I love (AS D-Comp), and looking at replacing the Manley for something more vibey that has that slower smooth tubey comp. Mainly these will be used for tracking and mixbus, and sometimes running something out to them when needed. Tracking will be primarily acoustic guitar, bass, electric guitar and of course vocals. So with that versatility in mind, I would love to get your thoughts! (Can’t try either in person unfortunately) For versatile, nothing has ever beaten my Thermionic Phoenix Mastering Plus. Superb on the mixbus (I personally prefer it to a Manley Vari-Mu) Then it's just about the best vocal, bass and acoustic guitar tracking comp I've ever used. It can also smash the sh*t out of a parallel on a drum bus - sounds amazing there too. They're sonically gorgeous and extremely versatile. For my vocals I use a Retro STA Level but I could be happy with just the Phoenix. Worthy of a demo. Have you tried the standard version? My research on the Revolver led me to those as well. The mastering plus is fairly pricey. I’ve decided that cost is out for me (including 2 x RS124’s), I’d have to use credit for a good chunk of it and I’d rather not with so many other great options out there for much less. I think my list now is the Revolver, Model 14B, AS V-Comp…and once I have a chance to do some research, perhaps the standard Phoenix. Audioscape got back to me that the VComps have a stereo link jack and that they may be coming out with stepped pots in the near future. Guess the search isn’t quite over (is it ever?! Lol), but the Revolver remains at the top for the time being.
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Post by ironinthepath on May 16, 2024 11:11:22 GMT -6
"...may be coming out with stepped pots in the near future..."
Just a quick one: I am not sure why stepped pots are considered a benefit - when trying to match the settings between two different channels the little notches are essentially just creating quantized stair-step positions on a pot that are not generally matched to another pot of the same type. A standard pot is "smooth" (or is supposed to be) so any particular in-range resistance setting is achievable with some careful tuning (you're not "locked-out" of the optimum value by a step or "bump" that forces you somewhat above or below the target as you could be with a stepped pot).
If you like "the feel" of stepped-pots, I can understand that, but in terms of absolute precise matching of channel settings I don't see how they help (as opposed to mechanical switches with tight tolerance discrete resistors being used to set the gain, etc., which match as well as the tolerances allow.)
I also think that for the non-linear stuff (i.e. compressors) nominal matching of gain isn't the hard part - it's the precise matching of non-linear compression behavior that has much more to do with side chain matching, etc. - totally outside the control of the end user (aside from maybe attempting a fresh calibration).
Just my unsolicited thoughts on this :-)
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Post by FM77 on May 16, 2024 11:45:34 GMT -6
"...may be coming out with stepped pots in the near future..." Just a quick one: I am not sure why stepped pots are considered a benefit - when trying to match the settings between two different channels the little notches are essentially just creating quantized stair-step positions on a pot that are not generally matched to another pot of the same type. A standard pot is "smooth" (or is supposed to be) so any particular in-range resistance setting is achievable with some careful tuning (you're not "locked-out" of the optimum value by a step or "bump" that forces you somewhat above or below the target as you could be with a stepped pot). If you like "the feel" of stepped-pots, I can understand that, but in terms of absolute precise matching of channel settings I don't see how they help (as opposed to mechanical switches with tight tolerance discrete resistors being used to set the gain, etc., which match as well as the tolerances allow.) I also think that for the non-linear stuff (i.e. compressors) nominal matching of gain isn't the hard part - it's the precise matching of non-linear compression behavior that has much more to do with side chain matching, etc. - totally outside the control of the end user (aside from maybe attempting a fresh calibration). Just my unsolicited thoughts on this :-)
You mentioned it. It depends on the resolution of the steps, what type of potentiometers or what the manufacture is calling 'stepped'. High end mastering gear costs for a reason and often the detented pots are at 1%-2% tolerance using resistors. In the end listening is key, but recall for past sessions or past settings is very relevant for mastering.
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Post by ironinthepath on May 16, 2024 11:55:01 GMT -6
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