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Post by russellcreekps on May 4, 2024 6:58:08 GMT -6
Hoping others here are using this…just got mine this week and am finally getting around to calibrating it today. I noticed in the manual it says that you should move away from the mic when it’s taking each measurement…wondering do you keep your chair in place or should that be removed as well? Just thinking having the chair there might of benefit to the measurement since it will always be in place when listening? (Although I’d be in it of course).
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Post by andersmv on May 4, 2024 7:02:37 GMT -6
I’ve got the Arc and have done this multiple times with SonarWorks as well. I experimented a lot with SonarWorks when I first got it, and did not see any real differences between a chair being there or not. Having a chair there is also going to make it extremely annoying trying to get the mic and stand where they need to be, and you’re more than likely going to end up with the mic behind the chair at some point (which will mess up your measurement in a bad way).
I just sit on the ground behind the mic while the measurements are happening and take the chair out of the room. That would be my advice after doing this a few times.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 4, 2024 7:30:34 GMT -6
Damn Millsounds, you da man my friend! I’m one of your YT subscribers…your reviews are so perfect and a big part of me purchasing this unit as well the MDN Sidecar/EQ and Mixwave CA-70s plugs. Wondering what target curve you liked best in your room, and if you ever change it for different perspectives. Also how do you feel about the helpfulness of virtual monitoring options? Debating whether I’d just ‘set it and forget it’ or keep it connected via usb to the computer.
PS. Would love to see a video on how you fixed that dip in your room, once you do!
Thanks for the note about the chair, definitely will move it out of the way in that case.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 4, 2024 8:59:48 GMT -6
You are trying for truest measurements so minimizing needless reflections: anomalies, I lose the chair.
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Post by FM77 on May 4, 2024 9:32:29 GMT -6
There is a recommendation from IK, but in truth this is a widely debated idea. And this is a very inexact process. (Trinnov mic being the exception)
If you shoot the room without you in it and then again with you in it, there will not be a drastic difference. In fact you can run the test twice and not move a thing and get a different result, again not drastic.
Same with the chair. I have done this 40-50 times over the years and have to re-shoot my room tomorrow since I changed the desk reflections with a new piece of gear.
Some argue, since you yourself are in the room during the mixing, you should be part of the what the mic measures. Alot of audiophiles insist the furniture (chair etc) stays put.
Other look at this in as much a anechoic mentality as possible.
My point is, you cannot get it wrong. These measurements are not precise, just a support.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 4, 2024 10:08:23 GMT -6
I think what gets confused is the question of what is getting measured and what do you hear? Do we hear how us being somewhere in front of the speakers affects what we hear? How, what is the amplitude of some frequencies that bounce off us, interact with the room and then somehow get back to our ears and what about the delay ? It seems to me this would be negligible and likely not very audible. Whereas the modified sound coming out of the monitors if correcting for the room and monitors is most linear and we hear that first, most audibly. Let’s not even raise the issue of exactly how symmetrical our respective body masses are and would we then need to do separate l/r passes to be accurate ?  I remove the chair and get out of the measurement’s way ! |
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Post by christopher on May 4, 2024 10:16:32 GMT -6
That won’t matter. They do 21 different measurements.
I put a short mic stand on the chair though. I was too lazy to move my chair. So maybe it did matter? 🤔
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Post by FM77 on May 4, 2024 10:21:50 GMT -6
I remove the chair and get out of the measurement’s way ! I did that the last few times, but primarily out of convenience in moving the mic / mic stand 84 times.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 4, 2024 10:38:06 GMT -6
Last night I did it with myself sitting in the chair, not ideal since the mic couldn't be perfectly centre with my big noggin in the way. Today I did it without myself or the chair...the results are very close but they do differ visually, but not significantly and the same problem areas show on both. So now I have both profiles, but to be honest, when listening I don't really notice a difference between the two. Now post vs pre ARC is a major difference...Had a considerable dip from 40-80 and quite a bump in the 200 range...everything else is pretty close. But wow, the way the lows and low mids come across now is vastly different, I'm confident my next mix will be greatly improved and translate far better on other systems.
PS. Using the default target btw.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2024 7:55:12 GMT -6
I’ve got the Arc and have done this multiple times with SonarWorks as well. I experimented a lot with SonarWorks when I first got it, and did not see any real differences between a chair being there or not. Having a chair there is also going to make it extremely annoying trying to get the mic and stand where they need to be, and you’re more than likely going to end up with the mic behind the chair at some point (which will mess up your measurement in a bad way). I just sit on the ground behind the mic while the measurements are happening and take the chair out of the room. That would be my advice after doing this a few times. Yeah - chair didn't really change anything...I'd imagine it's all kind've a rough guestimation by the software anyway, so something that small probably doesn't make a dent. Same with the Trinnov. I feel like when I found room correction, everything started clicking for me...like - I felt like I had a baseline and wasn't chasing my tail between the car and the studio. I do feel like the Trinnov was a different level, but it seems like the competition has been catching up. I opened SoundID the other day and it sounded very similar. I need to take a day and really, really dig in and compare these. At this point, now that the newer Nova has come out (BTW heard someone I trust tried one and much preferred the ST-2) the resale on my st-2 has gotten to the point to question whether it's worth bothering with a switch anymore. But hey - love to get something that does the job and I get to pocket the $2k + I'd get from a sale of the Trinnov. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2024 8:00:55 GMT -6
And to add - I've nerded and stressed out over these measurements...like a little OCD...I've tweaked and tweaked until all the graphs are as flat as I can get them. But I really kinda think if you had a system that identified the basic trouble spots and used basic boosts and cuts, you'd def be on your way.
Come to think of it...maybe I'll try and match the Trinnov's EQ shape of the correction in Pro Q-3 and see how that compares. Obviously not correcting for phase...
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Post by kcatthedog on May 5, 2024 12:13:58 GMT -6
REW does that and you can save the profile.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 5, 2024 16:33:10 GMT -6
I’ve got the Arc and have done this multiple times with SonarWorks as well. I experimented a lot with SonarWorks when I first got it, and did not see any real differences between a chair being there or not. Having a chair there is also going to make it extremely annoying trying to get the mic and stand where they need to be, and you’re more than likely going to end up with the mic behind the chair at some point (which will mess up your measurement in a bad way). I just sit on the ground behind the mic while the measurements are happening and take the chair out of the room. That would be my advice after doing this a few times. Yeah - chair didn't really change anything...I'd imagine it's all kind've a rough guestimation by the software anyway, so something that small probably doesn't make a dent. Same with the Trinnov. I feel like when I found room correction, everything started clicking for me...like - I felt like I had a baseline and wasn't chasing my tail between the car and the studio. I do feel like the Trinnov was a different level, but it seems like the competition has been catching up. I opened SoundID the other day and it sounded very similar. I need to take a day and really, really dig in and compare these. At this point, now that the newer Nova has come out (BTW heard someone I trust tried one and much preferred the ST-2) the resale on my st-2 has gotten to the point to question whether it's worth bothering with a switch anymore. But hey - love to get something that does the job and I get to pocket the $2k + I'd get from a sale of the Trinnov. Same here, only had it for two days but damn things are translating so well all of a sudden! Like what I hear in the studio is actually what it is..finally!!! So impressed! |
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