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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2024 14:01:30 GMT -6
Don’t care. Rather find the best deal online, get free shipping, no tax and delivered to my door. Both Sam Ash and Guitar Center are in the mall less than a mile from me. The biggest deterrent shopping there is needing to go into the mall. Uh...where you find no tax?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 4, 2024 14:07:26 GMT -6
First thing for Guitar Center is to change the name. Ain't no one playing the guitar these days. In a few years the kids will say "dad, what's a gutaar?" Call it DJ Center. Profit. IDK…I actually think it’s coming back. Some of these young players like the Italian kid are reshaping how we even think about playing. Guitar sales are way up in the last couple of years and continuing to rise even post-pandemic. Especially acoustic guitar. As far as the future goes, take investor analysis with a grain of salt but this one forecasts continued growth through the decade. The pendulum is already swinging back and pretty soon disco will be dead (again). And then it will swing back yet again. The real question is... how will all these kids learning guitar at the fastest rate since the 1960's change what music sounds like as they get older over the next 5 - 10 years? www.linkedin.com/pulse/acoustic-guitar-market-set-see-revolutionary-9nrxf/
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Post by kbb on May 4, 2024 17:18:05 GMT -6
First thing for Guitar Center is to change the name. Ain't no one playing the guitar these days. In a few years the kids will say "dad, what's a gutaar?" Call it DJ Center. Profit. IDK…I actually think it’s coming back. Some of these young players like the Italian kid are reshaping how we even think about playing. I filled in to do live sound the other night and all three bands were were '90s alt rock/pop bands...like 311, one band covered "Unbelievable"...the last band was a more rocking sort of No Doubt. I don't think anyone in the bands was over 25. I couldn't believe that they were keeping that alive!
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Post by kbb on May 4, 2024 17:24:29 GMT -6
Good riddance. The music instrument equivalent to Walmart drive the proper mom n pop stores out of business. Let them rot. I hope the local shops make a come back. I want to buy from people who give a damn. In my small college town, it's just the opposite. Shamelessly higher than internet prices on silly things, bananas close to new prices on used, and not the kind of place you're going to feel comfortable returning a guitar. I was shopping acoustic guitars and two new Martins on the wall had low or medium low saddles. One was at least halfway to needing a neck reset. The owner (pop) started talking about how it was fine...but the guitar needed a new nut, etc...just all kinds of bullsh*t. The Guitar Center here doesn't have much of a selection, but the kids that work there are in involved in the community...play in bands, etc. I've bought a lot from GC, and they never bat an eye if/when I return something. GC gets my business here even though I wanted to support local.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 4, 2024 19:06:32 GMT -6
Good riddance. The music instrument equivalent to Walmart drive the proper mom n pop stores out of business. Let them rot. I hope the local shops make a come back. I want to buy from people who give a damn. In my small college town, it's just the opposite. Shamelessly higher than internet prices on silly things, bananas close to new prices on used, and not the kind of place you're going to feel comfortable returning a guitar. I was shopping acoustic guitars and two new Martins on the wall had low or medium low saddles. One was at least halfway to needing a neck reset. The owner (pop) started talking about how it was fine...but the guitar needed a new nut, etc...just all kinds of bullsh*t. The Guitar Center here doesn't have much of a selection, but the kids that work there are in involved in the community...play in bands, etc. I've bought a lot from GC, and they never bat an eye if/when I return something. GC gets my business here even though I wanted to support local. Completely agree with all of that.
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Post by smashlord on May 4, 2024 19:53:22 GMT -6
Good riddance. The music instrument equivalent to Walmart drive the proper mom n pop stores out of business. Let them rot. I hope the local shops make a come back. I want to buy from people who give a damn. Let's not pretend its all roses with mom and pop shops. Try returning something to some local mom and pop shops. Many won't even let you glance in the direction of a guitar if you don't have your CC out and you'll pay top dollar for it and all your accessories. In my town growing up there were several music stores and almost everyone I knew had multiple bad experiences. One particular memory that stands out is a friend was just starting on drums, who went to buy heads for the first time and mentioned he was playing rock was sold all diplomats for batters (by the owner, who was a guitar player). When I saw him the next day and told him that was the absolute worst heads for what he was trying to do, brought them back, new, never taken out of the box and the store refused to exchange them. I've had good and bad experiences with both kind of retailers and I think there is a space and place for both. I know a few small shop owners and what kills them is not competition from GC, but the fact that Gibson and Fender give them astronomical minimum orders they have to fulfill to be a dealer. One of them would blow out brand new, high end Fenders below his cost sometimes so he would meet the quota and wouldn't lose his ability to sell them. As far as customer service goes... salespeople get jaded. They deal with enough jerks or tire kickers and eventually they start assuming everyone walking in the door is like that. I worked in high-pressure sales for years and one thing managers would have to remind us of was that every customer experience was unique and to not pre-qualify people based on past experiences. They knew it was a natural reaction and something you had to actively be mindful of and force yourself to resist. There are helpful and not so helpful people in any store you walk into. With used gear, if given the choice, I will take someplace like GC over Reverb every day of the week. If the piece arrives in not so great condition, I can return it no problem and not pay for return shipping.
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Post by trappist on May 4, 2024 20:24:10 GMT -6
Don’t care. Rather find the best deal online, get free shipping, no tax and delivered to my door. Both Sam Ash and Guitar Center are in the mall less than a mile from me. The biggest deterrent shopping there is needing to go into the mall. Uh...where you find no tax? Lot’s of vendors. Read the terms link on most Home pages. I’m not their representative, but I’ve done good business with soundpure.com Their terms for example state: “SoundPure.com is required to collect sales tax only for items delivered to addresses in the following states FL, GA, NC, OH and VA . Note, these listed states are subject to change at any time, and sales tax is charged at the time your order is fulfilled in-full” I feel guilty that I am not listing all the places I buy gear with free shipping and no sales tax. Never had a problem within the continental United States shopping for a good deal.
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Post by kbb on May 4, 2024 21:20:37 GMT -6
Uh...where you find no tax? Lot’s of vendors. Read the terms link on most Home pages. I’m not their representative, but I’ve done good business with soundpure.com Their terms for example state: “SoundPure.com is required to collect sales tax only for items delivered to addresses in the following states FL, GA, NC, OH and VA . Note, these listed states are subject to change at any time, and sales tax is charged at the time your order is fulfilled in-full” I feel guilty that I am not listing all the places I buy gear with free shipping and no sales tax. Never had a problem within the continental United States shopping for a good deal. I believe Front End Audio is the same. Apparently, you have to do enough business in a state before you're required to collect sales tax from customers there. Technically, you, the customer, are supposed to pay sales tax to your state if it's not collected in the transaction. I'm sure that happens 0% of the time LOL.
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Post by kbb on May 4, 2024 21:27:52 GMT -6
Thoughts?... Thanks! Chris If Guitar Center doesn't improve their website, I fear for them. It's really really bad. If you like shopping GC used, you're better off shopping Musician's Friend, where the same used stuff is listed, only on a better website. Then you can go find the thing you're interested in on the GC site if you want to buy it there. GC's used section has a lot of bargains, but it's also pretty f'd...wrong items listed, wrong photos, incredibly bad photos, etc, zero descriptions, sometimes misrepresented (e.g., "excellent" condition guitar that's a factory second with an unaddressed crack, etc lol).
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Post by smashlord on May 4, 2024 21:46:29 GMT -6
Thoughts?... Thanks! Chris GC's used section has a lot of bargains, but it's also pretty f'd...wrong items listed, wrong photos, incredibly bad photos, etc, zero descriptions, sometimes misrepresented (e.g., "excellent" condition guitar that's a factory second with an unaddressed crack, etc lol). This can also work in your favor... I scored a Soyuz 017 FET that was tagged as a used Bomblet
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Post by trappist on May 4, 2024 21:58:08 GMT -6
Lot’s of vendors. Read the terms link on most Home pages. I feel guilty that I am not listing all the places I buy gear with free shipping and no sales tax. Never had a problem within the continental United States shopping for a good deal. I believe Front End Audio is the same. Apparently, you have to do enough business in a state before you're required to collect sales tax from customers there. Technically, you, the customer, are supposed to pay sales tax to your state if it's not collected in the transaction. I'm sure that happens 0% of the time LOL. Yes I bought my Josephson C42 from Front End with excellent price and delivery. Dale Pro Audio also has provided competitive pricing, free shipping and no sales tax. Also tracked down Rycote mic sizing questions in superfast response time for me.
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Post by chessparov on May 4, 2024 22:33:23 GMT -6
Skimming but noticed the last 2 Posts!
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Post by copperx on May 4, 2024 23:09:56 GMT -6
Good riddance. The music instrument equivalent to Walmart drive the proper mom n pop stores out of business. Let them rot. I hope the local shops make a come back. I want to buy from people who give a damn. In my small college town, it's just the opposite. Shamelessly higher than internet prices on silly things, bananas close to new prices on used, and not the kind of place you're going to feel comfortable returning a guitar. I was shopping acoustic guitars and two new Martins on the wall had low or medium low saddles. One was at least halfway to needing a neck reset. The owner (pop) started talking about how it was fine...but the guitar needed a new nut, etc...just all kinds of bullsh*t. The Guitar Center here doesn't have much of a selection, but the kids that work there are in involved in the community...play in bands, etc. I've bought a lot from GC, and they never bat an eye if/when I return something. GC gets my business here even though I wanted to support local.
+1. In my town the GC is horrible, and some salespeople (but not all) don't give a damn. But some of them are cool, they rent nice microphones, cymbals, etc., if you are in a pinch; the website sucks and some gear is incorretly listed, but the 45-day returns and cheap shipping make up for that, in case the equipment was not described properly. They get my business before any local stores. All of them are final sales -- no returns; which I understand, but you think twice before buying anything used because it could be a complete waste of money.
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Post by trappist on May 5, 2024 1:04:51 GMT -6
free shipping, no tax and delivered to my door Uh...where you find no tax? Bought gear … no tax … from here….. zenproaudio.com… free ship $99 ”ZenPro Audio is only required to collect sales taxes in our home state of South Carolina. We do not collect taxes or share information outside of our state, when shipping from South Carolina. You may be required to report purchases, so know your local tax law.”
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Post by popmann on May 5, 2024 12:30:24 GMT -6
(Here) Theyre like if GC didnt have a Platinum room.
I remember when they (Sam Ash) were a nice strip mall sized shop that fit in well as a kind of “nee Fender outlet” in the mom and pop landscape. But as soon as MARs or GC —some big warehouse came to town, they moved locations to their own warehouse in Gallatin…and became “like that but worse”. I used to go there whenI had a Saturn (car) becuasethe warehouse was walking distance from the dealership where I had the oil changed….i would wander and pluck some guitars…keys…and think “how is there a music store THIS big with nothing that excites me?”
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Post by bluesholyman on May 5, 2024 13:12:18 GMT -6
I am not too surprised this happened. I received a personal letter from "Sammy" back in 2019'ish banning me from his stores and online purchases because I had returned one too many items for his taste. I think a local employee ratted me out or he spent his days running stats on customers and writing the "bad ones" letters. Funny thing, I spent equal amounts at his chain, Sweetwater, Guitar Center, and one other store that year - it wasn't a small amount, but apparently not enough to cover my excessive returns (mostly guitar pedals that didn't fit the amp/rig I had at the time - and I went through several amps over the course of a couple years.)
It was in that moment that I thought " its just a matter of time " and wrote him a letter back telling him everything I thought was wrong with his chain. Yeah, I was a bit mad, but I was professional in the letter. They would let used gear sit on shelves for a year with no price movement. If money (life blood) is not moving through a business, the business is going to rot. He never responded further and enforced his ban on me - I had an online purchase a year later declined by their fulfillment team because I was a bad apple in Sammy's eye.
I suspect after Sammy's passing last year, the family decided it is just too much of an uphill climb in the present economy. Their real estate is quite possibly more valuable than the brand itself and closing to sell all that off or lease it for future "easy" income is a better plan I think. The lease on that NY store is probably more profitable than instrument sales.
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Post by ericn on May 5, 2024 18:07:46 GMT -6
You know I don’t think I ever felt like I had to compete with Sam Ash or lost a deal that I can remember to SA ( there was one in Green Bay). We all kind of new the days were numbered when they started locating in malls ( if your not an anchor your paying a lot of $ to be an impulse purchase by someone buy underwear at Macy’s). I have heard stories of great service in the old days of Sam Ash professional, but when B&H and all the other 47th st photo shops got into to video and pro audio that was done. While most MI is strictly consumer, pro audio if you want to make $ is B to B, consumer, loud guitar dude trashing Smoke on the Water for 2 hours is a great way to send Institutional customers elsewhere. The other thing that Sam Ash and honestly most MI chains and every other retailer trying to do Mail order / internet sales using multiple locations to house inventory requires a huge digital and inventory control investment.
If anyone wants to know GC’s biggest weakness, walk in and calculate the $ hanging on that wall ( figure 40 percent of list), now in your mind pick out 4 of the most expensive guitars hanging there, see how long it takes for them to sell. That’s someone’s ( GC? The Bank? fender’s?) money just sitting there looking cool.
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Post by iamasound on May 5, 2024 18:12:48 GMT -6
I haven't been into a Sam Ash in a REALLY, REALLY long time but those stores hold fond memories for me. In 1972 after a family visit to my grandmother in West Virginia her gift of 15 silver dollars funded the very first album that I ever bought, The Concert For Bangladesh from back when the entire front of their store in The Green Acres Mall was dedicated to vinyl (I can still remember seeing John Mayall's Journey From The Past, the second album I ever bought sitting in that bin...and got it because my neophyte 13 year old brain thought that his sax player Johnny Almond was an Allmann Brother, lol...and "discovered" that guy who was blazing on guitar on that great record, Eric Clapton). A few years later I bought my first good electric guitar, a Gibson Les Paul Standard there, and I bought my first synth, and Ensonique ESQ-1 at their Queens Blvd branch in Forest Hills in 1985.
RIP Sam, You were The man!
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Post by hoot on May 5, 2024 19:49:08 GMT -6
At the risk of offending some people, I always kinda dubbed GC “the home and final resting place of Behringer…” Their target market was people upgrading from 58s as lead vocal mics, entry-level DJs, and last minute party throwers that needed beer-spill cheap speakers.
Now that everybody thinks the “studio” in “studio apartment” means “professional vocal booth,” it’d make sense for Sweetwater/VK to swoop in at the higher price point (even if all of the clients are equally misinformed about what to spend their money on!) The future of the market and craft is f***ed cuz these guys make so much more money on electronics than they can acoustics where it counts.
That didn’t come across pessimistic at all… right? 😂
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Post by ab101 on May 5, 2024 20:22:18 GMT -6
I suppose until Amazon has drone service and handy products in every community, from a mere need perspective, I find it important to have brick and mortar stores all over. Many times, I have needed a cable, tuner, strings, or some equipment, while at a gig in an out of town city. Finding out that there is a Guitar Center nearby has helped. Obviously, if this could be accomplished by local shops, that would be great, but it is not realistic any more. Of course, I could always plan better, but still something seems to fall through the cracks, or something is broken, etc. Fortunately, bigger cities also tend to have nice rental places too. Meanwhile, if I knew the best drone stock to invest in, I could probably fund all these stores myself or at least care a little less about it all. I can see drones delivering light items like mic clips, strings, and more. I suppose, it might be dangerous for a drone to deliver a PA or keyboard though.
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Post by ericn on May 5, 2024 21:00:41 GMT -6
I suppose until Amazon has drone service and handy products in every community, from a mere need perspective, I find it important to have brick and mortar stores all over. Many times, I have needed a cable, tuner, strings, or some equipment, while at a gig in an out of town city. Finding out that there is a Guitar Center nearby has helped. Obviously, if this could be accomplished by local shops, that would be great, but it is not realistic any more. Of course, I could always plan better, but still something seems to fall through the cracks, or something is broken, etc. Fortunately, bigger cities also tend to have nice rental places too. Meanwhile, if I knew the best drone stock to invest in, I could probably fund all these stores myself or at least care a little less about it all. I can see drones delivering light items like mic clips, strings, and more. I suppose, it might be dangerous for a drone to deliver a PA or keyboard though. Even in big cities not the LA, NYC’s to an extent Chicago GC pretty much wiped mainstream MI stores out and pro audio specialist disappeared ( ask anyone in Houston other than GC best Proaudio inventory is a Pawnshop #4 US market). Funny story when Mars opened up in Milwaukee 2 of their execs walked into Ward Brodt Music Mall and said to a couple of employees “ in 2 years you will be out of business and working for us.” Well Brodt is still going, Mars went the way of Circuit City. The thing was they didn’t understand Brodt wasn’t really about the customer who walked in the door, the majority of their buisness was outside sales to schools and rental contracts with schools. Unlike Mars 60 percent of what they did was in back in offices service and the warehouse. Being huge is less important than knowing what it is that really pays your bills.
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Post by hoot on May 5, 2024 21:40:04 GMT -6
Even in big cities not the LA, NYC’s to an extent Chicago GC pretty much wiped mainstream MI stores out and pro audio specialist disappeared ( ask anyone in Houston other than GC best Proaudio inventory is a Pawnshop #4 US market). Proud to say that while there were a TON of GCs in Chicago, there are a few remaining stores like Chicago Music Exchange that are absolute treasures. There’s no walking in there and wondering if you know more than the teenager you’re talking to like GC
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Post by ericn on May 5, 2024 21:45:08 GMT -6
Even in big cities not the LA, NYC’s to an extent Chicago GC pretty much wiped mainstream MI stores out and pro audio specialist disappeared ( ask anyone in Houston other than GC best Proaudio inventory is a Pawnshop #4 US market). Proud to say that while there were a TON of GCs in Chicago, there are a few remaining stores like Chicago Music Exchange that are absolute treasures. There’s no walking in there and wondering if you know more than the teenager you’re talking to like GC Yes but what about pro audio? Is it wrong to say I miss Gand, as a Fullco Alum.
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Post by hoot on May 5, 2024 23:05:04 GMT -6
Yes but what about pro audio? Is it wrong to say I miss Gand, as a Fullco Alum. Oh that… yeah maybe check a Synth Repair Shop if you wanna find a used stereo compressor out there 😅
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2024 6:02:32 GMT -6
At the risk of offending some people, I always kinda dubbed GC “the home and final resting place of Behringer…” Their target market was people upgrading from 58s as lead vocal mics, entry-level DJs, and last minute party throwers that needed beer-spill cheap speakers. Now that everybody thinks the “studio” in “studio apartment” means “professional vocal booth,” it’d make sense for Sweetwater/VK to swoop in at the higher price point (even if all of the clients are equally misinformed about what to spend their money on!) The future of the market and craft is f***ed cuz these guys make so much more money on electronics than they can acoustics where it counts. That didn’t come across pessimistic at all… right? 😂 hilariously most of the cheap condensers the vocal booth are using are worse than a 58
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