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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 30, 2024 16:12:25 GMT -6
Interesting.
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Post by Ward on Apr 30, 2024 16:52:01 GMT -6
One step closer! I still can't get the IRS or sims to sound as good as a real amp and cabinet mic'ed up properly, so I tend to stick with real amps and cabinets, 121 and 57 combo, API or Grace pres into LA3As almost exclusively....
But this shows real promise!
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Post by drbill on May 1, 2024 9:05:32 GMT -6
Interesting. Good stuff. I own THU, but it's been awhile since I used it. Will need to check this out.
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Post by ragan on May 1, 2024 9:57:03 GMT -6
I’ve always been a TH-U fan, will have to check this out.
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Post by ragan on May 1, 2024 10:19:43 GMT -6
Just watched. Nice!
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Post by ragan on May 1, 2024 11:38:14 GMT -6
The comparisons in the video pretty well exemplify the differences I hear between sims /IRs and mic’d amps, so this sounds pretty promising to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 1, 2024 13:46:26 GMT -6
The comparisons in the video pretty well exemplify the differences I hear between sims /IRs and mic’d amps, so this sounds pretty promising to me. You mean the differences in the normal IR and Fluid IR? |
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Post by ragan on May 1, 2024 13:58:59 GMT -6
The comparisons in the video pretty well exemplify the differences I hear between sims /IRs and mic’d amps, so this sounds pretty promising to me. You mean the differences in the normal IR and Fluid IR? Yeah. The fluid IR compared to normal IR sounds similar to mic’d amp vs sim in general, to me. |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 2, 2024 15:35:40 GMT -6
I started testing it last night. I had to email to figure out how to get them to let me demo the American Classics (I mostly use Fenders in Amplitube 5 so want a direct comparison). While waiting for them to get back I bypassed the Amplitube cabs and used the fluid IR cabs. Wow, pretty amazing improvement. I hope this fluid IR tech makes it into a lot more things.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2024 15:56:39 GMT -6
I started testing it last night. I had to email to figure out how to get them to let me demo the American Classics (I mostly use Fenders in Amplitube 5 so want a direct comparison). While waiting for them to get back I bypassed the Amplitube cabs and used the fluid IR cabs. Wow, pretty amazing improvement. I hope this fluid IR tech makes it into a lot more things. How do you get the Fluid IRs? |
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Post by drbill on May 2, 2024 16:37:31 GMT -6
One thing that left me scratching my head the longer I thought about it.... Unless I misunderstood, or was distracted during the video, they mentioned that "normal" IR's measure freq response, but the Fluid IR's also measure "harmonics". Um....harmonics ARE what determine freq response - right?? So....did I get it wrong, or are they freely throwing around tech terms meant to entice guitarists who don't know any better. Either way, the Fluid IR's generally seem to sound better. But I do not generally appreciate those throwing out tech talk to disguise actual truths. Maybe I was just daydreaming..... ??
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Post by Darren Boling on May 2, 2024 16:47:22 GMT -6
I started testing it last night. I had to email to figure out how to get them to let me demo the American Classics (I mostly use Fenders in Amplitube 5 so want a direct comparison). While waiting for them to get back I bypassed the Amplitube cabs and used the fluid IR cabs. Wow, pretty amazing improvement. I hope this fluid IR tech makes it into a lot more things. How do you get the Fluid IRs? When I load up a cabinet it's what comes up by default, there's a logo that lets you know it's a fluid IR (1:13 in the video). In my case I went to the cabinet I wanted and changed it to their Coles 4038 and tested from there. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2024 18:39:21 GMT -6
One thing that left me scratching my head the longer I thought about it.... Unless I misunderstood, or was distracted during the video, they mentioned that "normal" IR's measure freq response, but the Fluid IR's also measure "harmonics". Um....harmonics ARE what determine freq response - right?? So....did I get it wrong, or are they freely throwing around tech terms meant to entice guitarists who don't know any better. Either way, the Fluid IR's generally seem to sound better. But I do not generally appreciate those throwing out tech talk to disguise actual truths. Maybe I was just daydreaming..... ?? Not sure I heard the Fluid IRs, but there’s nothing in there that sounds better than the Axefx to me. Sounds like Tonex with more kerrang |
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Post by robo on May 3, 2024 8:33:00 GMT -6
One thing that left me scratching my head the longer I thought about it.... Unless I misunderstood, or was distracted during the video, they mentioned that "normal" IR's measure freq response, but the Fluid IR's also measure "harmonics". Um....harmonics ARE what determine freq response - right?? So....did I get it wrong, or are they freely throwing around tech terms meant to entice guitarists who don't know any better. Either way, the Fluid IR's generally seem to sound better. But I do not generally appreciate those throwing out tech talk to disguise actual truths. Maybe I was just daydreaming..... ?? Not sure I heard the Fluid IRs, but there’s nothing in there that sounds better than the Axefx to me. Sounds like Tonex with more kerrang My guess is that other companies have implemented other techniques (or maybe the same under a different name) to get similar results. The Mixwave amps, for example, sound pretty convincing to me. That said, I much prefer to get a sound I’m happy with through one of my real amps in the room, then go from there. I’ll be happy when I don’t have to reamp so many tracks from clients though! |
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2024 9:23:37 GMT -6
One thing that left me scratching my head the longer I thought about it.... Unless I misunderstood, or was distracted during the video, they mentioned that "normal" IR's measure freq response, but the Fluid IR's also measure "harmonics". Um....harmonics ARE what determine freq response - right?? So....did I get it wrong, or are they freely throwing around tech terms meant to entice guitarists who don't know any better. Either way, the Fluid IR's generally seem to sound better. But I do not generally appreciate those throwing out tech talk to disguise actual truths. Maybe I was just daydreaming..... ?? Harmonics aren't what 'determine the frequency response'. Frequency response is the frequency dependent output gain (and phase, if we care for a given application) you get by running a consistent magnitude input signal across the spectrum. Harmonics are multiples of that input frequency that are generated in the (nonlinear) transfer function of the system itself. Harmonics are not present in the original signal, they're introduced by the system. |
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2024 12:21:01 GMT -6
But, I can still kinda see what you mean drbill. They are part of what happens when you run signal through the system. |
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Post by thehightenor on May 3, 2024 14:11:55 GMT -6
One step closer! I still can't get the IRS or sims to sound as good as a real amp and cabinet mic'ed up properly, so I tend to stick with real amps and cabinets, 121 and 57 combo, API or Grace pres into LA3As almost exclusively.... But this shows real promise! It's the same with E -drums. My E-Drum recording system costs as much as a real acoustic kit, pre's and mics! And it does sound very good triggering drum libraries - especially Rooms of Hansa. But, there's something about an acoustic kit that not only sounds better - it feels better to play. I find the same with a great tube-amp, cab and mics. It's impossible to beat moving air and capturing it with a mic. In the same way a speakers moves air and we capture it with our ears - it's how human hearing works. It's what feels like home in audio terms. |
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Post by drbill on May 3, 2024 14:35:24 GMT -6
One thing that left me scratching my head the longer I thought about it.... Unless I misunderstood, or was distracted during the video, they mentioned that "normal" IR's measure freq response, but the Fluid IR's also measure "harmonics". Um....harmonics ARE what determine freq response - right?? So....did I get it wrong, or are they freely throwing around tech terms meant to entice guitarists who don't know any better. Either way, the Fluid IR's generally seem to sound better. But I do not generally appreciate those throwing out tech talk to disguise actual truths. Maybe I was just daydreaming..... ?? Harmonics are not present in the original signal, they're introduced by the system. Maybe we're dancing around semantics, but the way they described it on the video certainly left me feeling like they were trying to pull a high tech smokescreen. Harmonics absolutely ARE present in the original signal. Otherwise your guitar would sound like a sine wave. Virtually every sound has harmonics in it. Obviously they are doing something, and maybe they are just not describing it the best way possible.... |
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Post by ragan on May 3, 2024 14:46:14 GMT -6
Harmonics are not present in the original signal, they're introduced by the system. Maybe we're dancing around semantics, but the way they described it on the video certainly left me feeling like they were trying to pull a high tech smokescreen. Harmonics absolutely ARE present in the original signal. Otherwise your guitar would sound like a sine wave. Virtually every sound has harmonics in it. Obviously they are doing something, and maybe they are just not describing it the best way possible.... I think we’re talking about two different things that use overlapping terminology. “Harmonics” in the realm of the modeling of any system is referring to the nonlinearity in the system itself. These are harmonics that the system imparts. I think that’s what the TH-U people are talking about because they’re talking about their model, not what you feed into it. I think what you’re referring to is that any given audio signal can be broken down into harmonic components (what an FFT does). That’s also true, of source signals. But I don’t think that’s what TH-U are talking about when they talk about their model. |
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