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Post by crillemannen on May 2, 2024 5:46:37 GMT -6
I've recorded allot of electric guitar and also been an intern at studio Fredman. Most famous engineers in the metal genre use a single or double Sm57 ala Fredman. Keep it simple is my suggestion. You can use a ribbon like the 121 for some extra weight or an LDC for some extra sparkle but most classic albums are based around the Sm57.
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Post by Ward on May 2, 2024 8:01:21 GMT -6
I've recorded allot of electric guitar and also been an intern at studio Fredman. Most famous engineers in the metal genre use a single or double Sm57 ala Fredman. Keep it simple is my suggestion. You can use a ribbon like the 121 for some extra weight or an LDC for some extra sparkle but most classic albums are based around the Sm57. It's the one thing it does well! |
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Post by drumsound on May 2, 2024 17:29:24 GMT -6
I've recorded allot of electric guitar and also been an intern at studio Fredman. Most famous engineers in the metal genre use a single or double Sm57 ala Fredman. Keep it simple is my suggestion. You can use a ribbon like the 121 for some extra weight or an LDC for some extra sparkle but most classic albums are based around the Sm57. It's the one thing it does well! They work OK for propping old windows open. |
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Post by ericn on May 2, 2024 17:42:19 GMT -6
It's the one thing it does well! They work OK for propping old windows open. I have been told they are perfect for throwing at bad monitor engineers. |
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Post by drumsound on May 2, 2024 22:13:16 GMT -6
They work OK for propping old windows open. I have been told they are perfect for throwing at bad monitor engineers. I've considered doing that on more than one occaision. |
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Post by svart on May 3, 2024 6:09:43 GMT -6
Loud is not good for your ears, nor your recording. An amp will be just above talking volume for most recordings. If it's shaking the walls, then something wrong is being overcompensated for. loud=bad is a pretty wild statement when so many classic guitar tones come from cranked marshall/fender/vox amps at much louder than talking volume. many of my amps sound pretty unremarkable at moderate volumes, and really shine at high volumes. sure, some tones don't get better with a lot of volume. but some are simply hard to achieve without it. Nah, it's more of a rock-n-roll description.. "I cranked that amp" is usually boasting by musicians and engineers ala the "turn it to 11" joke. Take a "cranked" marshall JCM/JMP.. It really just needs the master volume turned up to get the output tubes biased well and get the low-end whoomph out of it, but you'd turn down the input gain so it's not so brightly fizzy through a cab of greenbacks. In this case, "cranked" is not really *louder* although the knob might be "cranked". |
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Post by theglow on May 3, 2024 7:29:27 GMT -6
U47 FET-style mic (I use the UT) 1’ from the center of any of the speakers. Done.
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Post by Ward on May 3, 2024 7:53:23 GMT -6
I have been told they are perfect for throwing at bad monitor engineers. I've considered doing that on more than one occaision. You both are on FI-URRRR!!!! They hake a fantastic hammer as well. For harder jobs, use an SM7b |
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Post by ericn on May 3, 2024 17:02:02 GMT -6
I've considered doing that on more than one occaision. You both are on FI-URRRR!!!! They hake a fantastic hammer as well. For harder jobs, use an SM7b Nah windscreens fail to easy the original 635 is a much better hammer. |
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Post by kbsmoove on May 3, 2024 19:04:03 GMT -6
loud=bad is a pretty wild statement when so many classic guitar tones come from cranked marshall/fender/vox amps at much louder than talking volume. many of my amps sound pretty unremarkable at moderate volumes, and really shine at high volumes. sure, some tones don't get better with a lot of volume. but some are simply hard to achieve without it. Nah, it's more of a rock-n-roll description.. "I cranked that amp" is usually boasting by musicians and engineers ala the "turn it to 11" joke. Take a "cranked" marshall JCM/JMP.. It really just needs the master volume turned up to get the output tubes biased well and get the low-end whoomph out of it, but you'd turn down the input gain so it's not so brightly fizzy through a cab of greenbacks. In this case, "cranked" is not really *louder* although the knob might be "cranked". nah, its more of a reality. take a non-master (aka plexi) marshall. they need to be damn loud to sound like a plexi! and greenbacks pushed to their limits do this cool thing where the low end stays tight and the top end warms up and together they just sound magical. sadly, its just so loud that you can't play them out most places. but what a tone! this isn't overcompensating or bragging, its just true. in the studio? theyre remarkable. loud=good (sometimes.) |
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Post by yotonic on May 4, 2024 11:37:19 GMT -6
Royer with the 57 mount.  |
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Post by Shadowk on May 5, 2024 8:28:42 GMT -6
Nah, it's more of a rock-n-roll description.. "I cranked that amp" is usually boasting by musicians and engineers ala the "turn it to 11" joke. Take a "cranked" marshall JCM/JMP.. It really just needs the master volume turned up to get the output tubes biased well and get the low-end whoomph out of it, but you'd turn down the input gain so it's not so brightly fizzy through a cab of greenbacks. In this case, "cranked" is not really *louder* although the knob might be "cranked". nah, its more of a reality. take a non-master (aka plexi) marshall. they need to be damn loud to sound like a plexi! and greenbacks pushed to their limits do this cool thing where the low end stays tight and the top end warms up and together they just sound magical. sadly, its just so loud that you can't play them out most places. but what a tone! this isn't overcompensating or bragging, its just true. in the studio? theyre remarkable. loud=good (sometimes.) That’s why I tend to avoid saggy, need everything and the kitchen sink style amps. I’ve encountered a fair few mesa’s in my time and they did sound better cranked with a compressor pedal behind them. Even then though you still need to dig that cab under pain fizzy crap out. I’ve got an engl retro and it kicks like a mule on stereo in the background whilst cleaning volumes despite it being a 50watt 2x12 that could fill a pretty decent venue. Most modern amps are the same, live they’re going to go through a pa and in small to mid sized studios amps kicking out that sort of mesa 4x12 stack volume is the last thing you need. Everyone gets that so they’re tiered towards volume friendliness nowadays. If I had to deal with those types of amps today I’d seriously just buy an axe fx. Fortunately there are some absolutely bottom kicking tones available in 1 watt format now. Weirdly my 1 watt marshall ends up being louder than my 50 watt engl to get that tone but whatever it’s still not exactly loud. You can be in the same room without it really even bothering someone. |
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Post by kbsmoove on May 5, 2024 10:06:43 GMT -6
Everyone gets that so they’re tiered towards volume friendliness nowadays. If I had to deal with those types of amps today I’d seriously just buy an axe fx. Fortunately there are some absolutely bottom kicking tones available in 1 watt format now. Weirdly my 1 watt marshall ends up being louder than my 50 watt engl to get that tone but whatever it’s still not exactly loud. You can be in the same room without it really even bothering someone. i'm not saying you have to be loud just to be loud - i'm just saying that some coveted sounds require pushing an amp/speaker/cab past their linear operating points, and that often requires lots volume. avoiding higher volume ranges as a rule is silly to me. avoid it if it sounds bad or wrong for the part, or if you can't record in a place that lets you be as loud as you want or need to be. yes, most modern amps sound better at moderate volumes. and plenty of them fall apart pretty low on the master (lookin at you, soldano). but, there is often a sweet spot where the speakers start to work a little, the tone compresses and thickens up, the top end gets smoother, and overall it just sounds cooler. thats where i often hit record, and thats usually pretty loud. axefx? hard pass. |
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Post by Ward on May 5, 2024 10:28:25 GMT -6
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Post by bgrotto on May 5, 2024 10:36:05 GMT -6
Another vote for pushing speakers (with volume)to do a “thing”.
Not convenient, and certainly not tenable for most live situations (nor appropriate for plenty of recorded contexts), but a pushed speaker does something that lower volumes just can’t do.
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Post by hoot on May 6, 2024 20:29:22 GMT -6
Another vote for pushing speakers (with volume)to do a “thing”. This flashed me to the "speaker excursion" section of Slipperman's Guide to Distorted Guitars From Hell  SUCH a good read if you've never |
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Post by geoff738 on May 6, 2024 20:53:28 GMT -6
Another vote for pushing speakers (with volume)to do a “thing”. This flashed me to the "speaker excursion" section of Slipperman's Guide to Distorted Guitars From Hell SUCH a good read if you've never Last time I looked for it I couldnt find it. Shoulda printed it out. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Ward on May 7, 2024 7:24:03 GMT -6
Another vote for pushing speakers (with volume)to do a “thing”. Not convenient, and certainly not tenable for most live situations (nor appropriate for plenty of recorded contexts), but a pushed speaker does something that lower volumes just can’t do. Having a cabinet with low wattage speakers and an amp attenuator can get you the same results without causing the love room to collapse under the extreme sound pressure levels! 15 or 25 watt Celestion Alnicos in a Vox 2x12 cabinet. for example. (Or a pair of Tone Tubby Alnicos, which I prefer) 25 watt greenbacks in a Marshall 1960 4x12. Or a 1936 2x12 . Similar if not same results. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 7, 2024 7:30:13 GMT -6
Another vote for pushing speakers (with volume)to do a “thing”. Not convenient, and certainly not tenable for most live situations (nor appropriate for plenty of recorded contexts), but a pushed speaker does something that lower volumes just can’t do. Having a cabinet with low wattage speakers and an amp attenuator can get you the same results without causing the love room to collapse under the extreme sound pressure levels! 15 or 25 watt Celestion Alnicos in a Vox 2x12 cabinet. for example. (Or a pair of Tone Tubby Alnicos, which I prefer) 25 watt greenbacks in a Marshall 1960 4x12. Or a 1936 2x12 . Similar if not same results. Respectfully, no, it can't. Low watts and attenuated volume just don't sound the same. I wish I was wrong here I really do, but if you want *that* sound, you need *that* volume and power.😭 |
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Post by kbsmoove on May 7, 2024 13:49:42 GMT -6
Having a cabinet with low wattage speakers and an amp attenuator can get you the same results without causing the love room to collapse under the extreme sound pressure levels! 15 or 25 watt Celestion Alnicos in a Vox 2x12 cabinet. for example. (Or a pair of Tone Tubby Alnicos, which I prefer) 25 watt greenbacks in a Marshall 1960 4x12. Or a 1936 2x12 . Similar if not same results. Respectfully, no, it can't. Low watts and attenuated volume just don't sound the same. I wish I was wrong here I really do, but if you want *that* sound, you need *that* volume and power.😭 this, exactly! and, an ac30 through a pair of blues or a 50w marshall cranked through even 2 greenbacks is still loud as hell. |
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Post by Shadowk on May 10, 2024 9:36:10 GMT -6
For the most part I just don’t like the sound of overcooked amps and sure I get that some require it. Although, I’d rather just not have them. Forget axe fx what about banging a spoon on a toaster? 😂
If you’re chasing classic tones then so be it, end of the day it’s all just opinion and it’s akin to arguing about food unless there’s a technique you’re unaware of. So Ymmv, whatever works for you, enjoy, have fun.
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Post by christopher on May 10, 2024 11:44:21 GMT -6
With Steve’s passing it reminded me I saw this video a few years back and it was simply incredibly well done. I don’t think I’ve ever talked about how to mic an amp more than 30 seconds with anyone, to see something this thoughtful shows his expertise
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Post by hoot on May 10, 2024 20:32:58 GMT -6
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Post by bgrotto on May 12, 2024 14:04:24 GMT -6
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Post by Dan on May 12, 2024 15:23:19 GMT -6
Having a cabinet with low wattage speakers and an amp attenuator can get you the same results without causing the love room to collapse under the extreme sound pressure levels! 15 or 25 watt Celestion Alnicos in a Vox 2x12 cabinet. for example. (Or a pair of Tone Tubby Alnicos, which I prefer) 25 watt greenbacks in a Marshall 1960 4x12. Or a 1936 2x12 . Similar if not same results. Respectfully, no, it can't. Low watts and attenuated volume just don't sound the same. I wish I was wrong here I really do, but if you want *that* sound, you need *that* volume and power.😭 Yeah you usually need a different amp and cabinet to get the same effect at lower volumes to avoid nasty feedback or less resonances with certain material and tones. You’re either pushing the tube circuits into further non-linearity and pushing the speaker cones into thermal distortion or not. |
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