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Post by thehightenor on Apr 25, 2024 14:16:57 GMT -6
Sure, I understand. I've not got the voice I want - I can totally relate to working with what you've got. I was just pondering the fact your spot on without headphones and with headphones it throws you, I know having no headphones is a better vibe (it is for me too) but pitch is an odd thing - no question about that. How do you get on singing live with a band - are you OK on floor wedges? Yeah, no issues with floor wedges. Have you ever tried IEM's live? |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 26, 2024 12:37:43 GMT -6
I was on a kick and did a lot of vocals in the control room a few years ago. My control room is a rectangle (I know...) and the speakers fire the long way. I can have singers about 4ft from the back wall (in front of the couch) and get good sounding tracks. I will turn cymbals down in the mix and also note where the monitor volume is set, so if we do any punches, or multiple takes, the instrument level bleed with bee constant.
If you feel you can't get far enough away from the monitors, maybe pan everything to one side and use figure 8 in the null of the mono monitor. It's amazing how well figure 8 patterns in general work for isolation.
If you feel the back is getting too much room, put a gobo back there, but give it a little space. The reflections type things box up a sound pretty badly.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 26, 2024 12:39:55 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 28, 2024 11:17:09 GMT -6
We pioneered headphones at Motown in 1964 when we built our 8-track machines and added three isolation rooms. Before that, most people were singing to an Altec A-7 out in the studio. This remained SOP in many leading studios for another three to five years.
My first experience trying this was recording vocals for Rare Earth's "I Just Want to Celebrate" in 1971. Pete, the lead singer, just wasn't getting into it. He took a break and went to the bathroom. The singing I heard coming out of the bathroom sounded incredibly better. I quickly set up a Shure SM53 and handed it to him in the control room. After a great take, the rest of the band wanted to do the backgrounds the same way. The result was a huge hit.
In 1972 I was a volunteer engineer at KPFA radio in Berkeley California. There was no choice but to record music mid-1950s style. It was an incredible eye/ear-opener.
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 28, 2024 11:58:23 GMT -6
We pioneered headphones at Motown in 1964 when we built our 8-track machines and added three isolation rooms. Before that, most people were singing to an Altec A-7 out in the studio. This remained SOP in many leading studios for another three to five years. My first experience trying this was recording vocals for Rare Earth's "I Just Want to Celebrate" in 1971. Pete, the lead singer, just wasn't getting into it. He took a break and went to the bathroom. The singing I heard coming out of the bathroom sounded incredibly better. I quickly set up a Shure SM53 and handed it to him in the control room. After a great take, the rest of the band wanted to do the backgrounds the same way. The result was a huge hit. In 1972 I was a volunteer engineer at KPFA radio in Berkeley California. There was no choice but to record music mid-1950s style. It was an incredible eye/ear-opener. That's really cool, thanks Bob. I'm seriously getting into the classic way of doing things, loving SDC type mic's on vox etc. and the awesome thing about doing it this way is it's just like playing live. Nail it on the track, nail it anywhere. |
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Post by chessparov on May 5, 2024 21:45:01 GMT -6
Postscript... Found the August 2005 Sound On Sound article, regarding recording their "Stayin' Alive" Harmonies.... To a single small speaker. NO headphones!  BTW generally then ALL 3 Brothers would be on one mic. Singing the note at the same time. Balancing each other naturally (sonically Eric  ) LOL! Chris |
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