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Post by christopher on Apr 21, 2024 15:48:02 GMT -6
“Taylor Swift’s latest album sold 1.6mn US units in a single day, including 600,000 vinyl copies, putting The Tortured Poets Department on track to become one of the highest-selling music releases since Nielsen began tracking album sales in 1991. “ Swift’s 11th compilation record has smashed records since its release on Friday, selling 1.6mn US album-equivalent units in one day, according to Nielsen’s Luminate data group. About 1.4mn of that tally came from traditional format sales — such as vinyl, CDs and cassettes — an unusual feat in a country where streaming is the dominant form of music listening.” (source behind paywall I guess) www.ft.com/content/7c1356a3-1350-4290-93c2-d9c8d9d393f6I understand fans wanting to own a copy to look at and be cool. And a few ten thousand actually playing the record. 600,000 in one day, and another whatever in CDs? When the whole thing is free with any phone subscription? I find it very hard to believe. Is the industry actually making a comeback? Or is a billion dollar company buying up the first 1.5m copies again to make headlines? … I hope it’s all organic. I’m assuming a few here bought the record? Let us know if you did, I’m excited to learn of your experience. Since records are a thing, and they are apparently making money… could all analog production be a little justifiably in demand again? |
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 21, 2024 17:12:01 GMT -6
My 18 year old daughter loves vinyl, she’s been into it since she was 14 or so. Her and her friends think it’s really “cool”, and even though they’re not really appreciating the sonic aesthetic of it, I’m happy to see that young kids are every bit as obsessed with music as we were.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 22, 2024 0:48:09 GMT -6
My 18 year old daughter loves vinyl, she’s been into it since she was 14 or so. Her and her friends think it’s really “cool”, and even though they’re not really appreciating the sonic aesthetic of it, I’m happy to see that young kids are every bit as obsessed with music as we were. Your kids maybe. My kids and all their friends and every kid I meet have music as a "side salad" to nibble at whilst their gaming, on their mobiles and on social media. Music is most definitely not an obsession for them like it was for me and my wife - our generation orbited around music - we had nothing else. Taylor Swift is a one off phenomenon, adults are "Swifties" (don't get that) she has a following like she's a world leader! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 22, 2024 11:28:17 GMT -6
They were only available at Target!
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 28, 2024 7:39:56 GMT -6
They were only available at Target! I took my daughters to a Taylor Swift listening party at a local indie record shop they day the album was released. We stood in a long line to get in. They did chores for weeks, saving up their allowance to buy this record on vinyl, to add to their collection of other Taylor Swift vinyl, among others (Olivia Rodrigo, Noah Kahan, Kasey Musgraves, etc). They are 7 and 11 years old. And they actually spin these records often! I taught them both how to use the turntable, and how to handle vinyl. For them, putting on a record is a "thing", like watching a show. And when they want to buy a record, they don't ask to go to Target. They ask to go to the record shop. Maybe they are just imitating my behaviour with music and vinyl? Or maybe I'm teaching them to appreciate the tangible aspect of putting on a record and listening to it with some attention paid? If I didn't take the time with them, to teach them and show them, they would totally not do this on their own. Maybe it's up to us to teach and guide the next generation instead of throwing our hands up in the air? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 28, 2024 10:51:40 GMT -6
So, that local shop had it that day? I saw ads claiming only Target had it.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 28, 2024 13:02:22 GMT -6
So, that local shop had it that day? I saw ads claiming only Target had it. All the shops in central Ohio had it that day. The shop I took them to opened early at 8am to host the release party to beat out Target. I took my daughters before school. I am by no means a T. swift fan, but we made a good memory that day! |
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Post by popmann on May 5, 2024 12:19:20 GMT -6
She dropped it on Record Store Day. there was a big pile in both stores I went to….with young girls holding copies throughout.
For those unfamiliar, its the day….2 or three times a year that artists release exclusive records to be sold onlyn ndie record shops. Theres some BS politics involved with the RSD model….but, my piint is, the stores also run big sales….and people line uparound the block to get in and grab their limited copies. Tay Tay’s release wasnt affiliated with the RSD mob, but coopted a brilliant marketing of a “surprise album” with being available in basically UNlimited quantities on a day that millions of buyers would be N a store with expectation to spend a bunch of money.
Good on her. Pimping up local shops without cutting in the RSD INC….and still getting her big Target payday.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 6, 2024 11:50:44 GMT -6
Because Taylor Swift is a genius.
As my 13 year old daughter explained to me, she needs multiple copies of the record because there are multiple versions of the release. Each one has a handful of "special" tracks that aren't on the other records and aren't online.
Obviously I told her...
1) You want more than one copy, buy it yourself... I'm buying you one and that's it.
2) Well played Taylor, well played.
In other words kids are buying multiple copies of the same record.
"Dammit... why didn't I think of that?" - Every Other Pop Star Alive
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Post by Dan on May 7, 2024 10:24:10 GMT -6
Plastic trinkets
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 7, 2024 11:51:37 GMT -6
If Taylor Swift sold used shoelaces these kids would buy them. It's basically a cult. |
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Post by gwlee7 on May 9, 2024 13:37:59 GMT -6
If Taylor Swift sold used shoelaces these kids would buy them. It's basically a cult. She is Gene Simmons.  |
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Post by geoff738 on May 9, 2024 14:52:05 GMT -6
In other words kids are buying multiple copies of the same record. "Dammit... why didn't I think of that?" - Every Other Pop Star Alive Many of them are indeed doing the same thing. Billie Eilish recently took a swipe at the practice. I am with Billie on this. I hate it. You really need your fans to buy multiple copies of essentially the same record? How do you spell greed? Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by popmann on May 9, 2024 16:13:12 GMT -6
Olivia Rodrigo did the whole “different pressings with different bonus tracks….then put out a RSD of only all the bonus tracks….then reissued the digital streaming versionto include them all.
Ive complained about the double release thing that is becoming the norm. Pink’s last came out, and I didnt buy it hecuase she only wrote a few of the songs, which were the ones i liked…then she releases whatever “deluxe” version with a whole second CD/LP that she, wait for it, only wrote a few of, and I also like. So, that means that among the 30 tracks, theres a solid ten track new Pink album. Add a couple covers? Cool…12 song new Pink album….but, so much filler. To be clear, my issue is this was all mace in the same session and there IS a single Pink penned album in there….they withheld some of the tunes they KNEW were stronger to release with the “deluxe” 6mo later. Bullshit. Release your best album if you want me to buy it. Want to put out a deluxe with all your covers and live versions and demos and whatever later? Cool, Im sure theres an audience interested in hearing that….
I mean a new vinyl record is $28 for a single disc and $40+ for a double (which is whatit takes tohold a “normal length CD” )recently….you cant raise the prices by threefold for a new release….and then ALSO save some of your good songs for a release the” complete” version 6 mo later. For that Pink, Id have had to pay $28….and then $47….and have two copies of the first LP of the set. That not just greedy,its wasteful and environmentally irresponsible.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 9, 2024 17:45:46 GMT -6
Wow. I had no idea this was such a thing.
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Post by geoff738 on May 9, 2024 19:59:36 GMT -6
Wow. I had no idea this was such a thing. What makes it particularly egregious is many of these artistes have largely prereen/tween/teen fanbases that are subject to extreme social pressure to beling to the in crowd, stay current with the latest trends etc. To vacuum their pockets of all their cash with the multiple similar released strategy is just extremely distasteful to me. Did I mention I hate it? Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Dan on May 9, 2024 21:09:01 GMT -6
Olivia Rodrigo did the whole “different pressings with different bonus tracks….then put out a RSD of only all the bonus tracks….then reissued the digital streaming versionto include them all. Ive complained about the double release thing that is becoming the norm. Pink’s last came out, and I didnt buy it hecuase she only wrote a few of the songs, which were the ones i liked…then she releases whatever “deluxe” version with a whole second CD/LP that she, wait for it, only wrote a few of, and I also like. So, that means that among the 30 tracks, theres a solid ten track new Pink album. Add a couple covers? Cool…12 song new Pink album….but, so much filler. To be clear, my issue is this was all mace in the same session and there IS a single Pink penned album in there….they withheld some of the tunes they KNEW were stronger to release with the “deluxe” 6mo later. Bullshit. Release your best album if you want me to buy it. Want to put out a deluxe with all your covers and live versions and demos and whatever later? Cool, Im sure theres an audience interested in hearing that…. I mean a new vinyl record is $28 for a single disc and $40+ for a double (which is whatit takes tohold a “normal length CD” )recently….you cant raise the prices by threefold for a new release….and then ALSO save some of your good songs for a release the” complete” version 6 mo later. For that Pink, Id have had to pay $28….and then $47….and have two copies of the first LP of the set. That not just greedy,its wasteful and environmentally irresponsible. None of these artists in any genre want to release the ultimate album anymore. I hate the Best Buy / Japan exclusive tracks, I hate the collector’s editions with worse art or in digipak only, the die hard editions on colored vinyl, or cassette/vinyl only digital music. None of these artists wants to release a Rumors, a Violator, a Ray of Light, a Within the Realm of a Dying Sun where every track hits like a truck and become iconic beyond trends. I end up only buying some really weird stuff now that tries hard and doesn’t mess around. |
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Post by theshea on May 11, 2024 6:44:46 GMT -6
nothing new under the sun. in the 90‘s they sold the singles as 2 versions: the single was always the same but the b-sides where different. so i obviously bought both if i liked the b-sides of my fave bands. but those were different times. i remember some oasis b-sides were better than other bands a-sides.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 11, 2024 19:27:19 GMT -6
Maybe it’s me, but I think it’s brilliant if an artist can sell multiple versions of the same release. Good on them for making the extra bread. At least someone is getting paid in the music industry. You’ve got to really have a dedicated fan base to pull it off, and the only way to do that is to make music that they (the fans) love, so if you can pull it off, awesome.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 8, 2024 10:14:19 GMT -6
Reading these comments, I get the impression the "Entertainment Industry" is about making money.
Honestly, what is the world coming to.
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Post by EmRR on Jun 8, 2024 11:46:52 GMT -6
Maybe it’s me, but I think it’s brilliant if an artist can sell multiple versions of the same release. Good on them for making the extra bread. At least someone is getting paid in the music industry. You’ve got to really have a dedicated fan base to pull it off, and the only way to do that is to make music that they (the fans) love, so if you can pull it off, awesome. Even running a half dozen colors of vinyl will sell a half dozen copies to the super fans, so if you know your numbers it can be well worth the additional outlay. |
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Post by svart on Jun 14, 2024 13:57:19 GMT -6
I know people who are not even music fans that have gone to TS's concerts multiple times and bought all her products.
I shouldn't really be down on an artist for making their bread but damn it's a cult. These people literally paid thousands of dollars to see her show multiple times after having almost zero interest in music.
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Post by ragan on Jun 14, 2024 13:58:55 GMT -6
Identity is strong stuff.
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Post by carymiller on Jul 22, 2024 22:25:35 GMT -6
“Taylor Swift’s latest album sold 1.6mn US units in a single day, including 600,000 vinyl copies, putting The Tortured Poets Department on track to become one of the highest-selling music releases since Nielsen began tracking album sales in 1991. “ Swift’s 11th compilation record has smashed records since its release on Friday, selling 1.6mn US album-equivalent units in one day, according to Nielsen’s Luminate data group. About 1.4mn of that tally came from traditional format sales — such as vinyl, CDs and cassettes — an unusual feat in a country where streaming is the dominant form of music listening.” (source behind paywall I guess) www.ft.com/content/7c1356a3-1350-4290-93c2-d9c8d9d393f6I understand fans wanting to own a copy to look at and be cool. And a few ten thousand actually playing the record. 600,000 in one day, and another whatever in CDs? When the whole thing is free with any phone subscription? I find it very hard to believe. Is the industry actually making a comeback? Or is a billion dollar company buying up the first 1.5m copies again to make headlines? … I hope it’s all organic. I’m assuming a few here bought the record? Let us know if you did, I’m excited to learn of your experience. Since records are a thing, and they are apparently making money… could all analog production be a little justifiably in demand again? Part of the equation is that the Vinyl version is an extended version (Multi-Disk Set) with bonus tracks right? That means it counts as a "Double Album". Meaning every sale Luminate tracks will count twice. |
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Post by carymiller on Jul 24, 2024 16:51:48 GMT -6
Olivia Rodrigo did the whole “different pressings with different bonus tracks….then put out a RSD of only all the bonus tracks….then reissued the digital streaming versionto include them all. Ive complained about the double release thing that is becoming the norm. Pink’s last came out, and I didnt buy it hecuase she only wrote a few of the songs, which were the ones i liked…then she releases whatever “deluxe” version with a whole second CD/LP that she, wait for it, only wrote a few of, and I also like. So, that means that among the 30 tracks, theres a solid ten track new Pink album. Add a couple covers? Cool…12 song new Pink album….but, so much filler. To be clear, my issue is this was all mace in the same session and there IS a single Pink penned album in there….they withheld some of the tunes they KNEW were stronger to release with the “deluxe” 6mo later. Bullshit. Release your best album if you want me to buy it. Want to put out a deluxe with all your covers and live versions and demos and whatever later? Cool, Im sure theres an audience interested in hearing that…. I mean a new vinyl record is $28 for a single disc and $40+ for a double (which is whatit takes tohold a “normal length CD” )recently….you cant raise the prices by threefold for a new release….and then ALSO save some of your good songs for a release the” complete” version 6 mo later. For that Pink, Id have had to pay $28….and then $47….and have two copies of the first LP of the set. That not just greedy,its wasteful and environmentally irresponsible. None of these artists in any genre want to release the ultimate album anymore. I hate the Best Buy / Japan exclusive tracks, I hate the collector’s editions with worse art or in digipak only, the die hard editions on colored vinyl, or cassette/vinyl only digital music. None of these artists wants to release a Rumors, a Violator, a Ray of Light, a Within the Realm of a Dying Sun where every track hits like a truck and become iconic beyond trends. I end up only buying some really weird stuff now that tries hard and doesn’t mess around. I do. I'd rather cut 10 of the best songs possible with lyrical themes and sequencing that tells a story than worry about various editions. But if you need to double that and go to a multi-disk to up sales figures...OK then...aim for Mellon Collie, or The Wall. Make something great if you can. That's what endures. |
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