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Post by nas on Apr 10, 2024 14:26:39 GMT -6
So I'm putting a small 500 series lunchbox together for my front end and looking for a nice Opto - primarily for tracking vocals, guitars (elec. and acoustic) and bass. My budget is around 700-900 USD and I think the Stam 3A-5 or the Audioscape V3A may fit the bill. I like the flexibility of the Stam with a few extra modes but prefer the Audioscape 1U form-factor. Sonically I've only had a chance to listen to the Audioscape from Barry Johns' review of the unit on Youtube and really liked it..so possibly leaning towards that.
Anyone own or have experience with either unit? or compare the two? Feedback would be greatly appreciated and if you've got any other suggestions that are within my budget, by all means fire away!
Thanks in advance.
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Post by drbill on Apr 10, 2024 15:32:29 GMT -6
I don't own one but would have no problem recommending the AudioScape if it suits your needs. Especially if you are in the US.
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Post by smashlord on Apr 10, 2024 16:05:46 GMT -6
Got a pair of the Audioscapes here.
I was honestly underwhelmed by them at first. They were nice on bass but didn't do the thing I was used to with original units on guitars and vocals. The Audioscapes seemed cleaner and grabbier. THEN I discovered if instead of using the COMP knob you use the stereo link knob to get more compression, it behaves more like I was used to with vintage units. Maybe its in my head, but I swear it introduces more mid harmonics and compresses in a less grabby manner. Placebo or not, I like them quite a bit more now.
Also, to be fair, I was informed by a tech friend who worked with me at the studio that had 3 vintage units that none of them were stock. Also, the comp/limit knob switch was on the back, deep in a rack, so I have no idea if I was using them in LIMIT mode or not. It just sounded good when I patched in, so I didn't ask questions!
The Brute/Tree Audio whatever its called now and the Serpent Chimera (probably the best sounding of the bunch, IMO) are other options. I was set on a Chimera until I figured I could get 2x Audioscapes for a little more than one Chimera.
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 10, 2024 18:06:40 GMT -6
Really liking the Audioscape here. Agree with smashlord. The stereo adjust knob is really cool. You can dial in more or less compression with it, and it does seem to alter the tone a bit more.
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Post by nas on Apr 11, 2024 4:34:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies. Yes I agree, just from what I heard on Youtube, it seemed a bit grabby but it looks like the stereo link knob and the HF knob give that added flexibility for tweaking the units behavior to the source. I have heard great things about the Serpent stuff but I plan plan on getting two opto units to run in stereo so the price on the Audioscapes or Stams sits better with me.
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Post by teejay on Apr 11, 2024 7:16:23 GMT -6
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Post by nas on Apr 11, 2024 7:21:03 GMT -6
Thanks for the link - will check it out!
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Post by drbill on Apr 11, 2024 10:04:24 GMT -6
Also, the comp/limit knob switch was on the back, deep in a rack, so I have no idea if I was using them in LIMIT mode or not. It just sounded good when I patched in, so I didn't ask questions! Oddly enough, I almost always use my opto "comps" in Limit mode. (2a's & 3a's)
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Post by stam on Apr 13, 2024 11:56:38 GMT -6
I would suggest you go with the AS as mine are sold out for a good 5 months
I am sure you can't go wrong with either
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Post by jaba on Apr 13, 2024 12:48:26 GMT -6
Got a pair of the Audioscapes here. I was honestly underwhelmed by them at first. They were nice on bass but didn't do the thing I was used to with original units on guitars and vocals. The Audioscapes seemed cleaner and grabbier. THEN I discovered if instead of using the COMP knob you use the stereo link knob to get more compression, it behaves more like I was used to with vintage units. Maybe its in my head, but I swear it introduces more mid harmonics and compresses in a less grabby manner. Placebo or not, I like them quite a bit more now. Also, to be fair, I was informed by a tech friend who worked with me at the studio that had 3 vintage units that none of them were stock. Also, the comp/limit knob switch was on the back, deep in a rack, so I have no idea if I was using them in LIMIT mode or not. It just sounded good when I patched in, so I didn't ask questions! The Brute/Tree Audio whatever its called now and the Serpent Chimera (probably the best sounding of the bunch, IMO) are other options. I was set on a Chimera until I figured I could get 2x Audioscapes for a little more than one Chimera. So glad you posted this. I got a V3A for the home setup as the LA3As are favorites of mine but didn't want to drop the coin for originals. I liked the V3A a lot but it wasn't quite the same. Playing with the stereo adjust definitely brings them closer to what puts the 3A's over the top for me. Thanks!
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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 13, 2024 19:16:06 GMT -6
Not sure why you would rule out the Buzz Audio Essence for 500 series Opto - it's really really nice too. But they are "double-wide" in the 500 series format, so maybe that is a drawback.
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Post by nas on Apr 14, 2024 8:29:29 GMT -6
Not sure why you would rule out the Buzz Audio Essence for 500 series Opto - it's really really nice too. But they are "double-wide" in the 500 series format, so maybe that is a drawback. Actually I have the Buzz on my shortlist, although it's more on the upper end of my budget and I want to run the optos as a stereo pair, so space is a premium in my rack - hence my leaning more towards a single space unit. I do love the variable attack times on the Buzz and I think that's something I would really use as well.
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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 14, 2024 9:38:51 GMT -6
I'm starting to sound like a Buzz Audio fan-boy (maybe I just should admit it) - but the SOC-20 (essentially same controls as the Essence, very very similar circuitry from what I can tell) has turned out to be my most versatile opto for that reason (variable attack, release, etc.), the only one that is similar in my rack is the one in the Aurora Audio GTQC / GTC2. These have a bit more color (a color I do really like) while the Buzz can be nearly invisible if you want it to be (in a very good way). I'd love to try the Serpent Chimera too, but I have zero doubts about the Essence in 500 series format. Haven't had a chance to try the Stam or Audioscape options as of yet.
After seeing so much love for the Serpent Audio (Shadow audio back then) Sa3a on RGO I bought one on Reverb (it was a DIY) that was sold "as-is" and non-functioning - if I can finally find some time to debug it and get it going, I've heard that it's similar to the Chimera, I'll post my opinions about it with some comparison to the Buzz (as well as Aurora Audio and Manley Optos) units I have.
And welcome to RGO! -Chris
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Post by nnajar on Apr 14, 2024 9:43:20 GMT -6
Atlas pro audio leviathan
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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 14, 2024 10:38:15 GMT -6
I haven't tried the Leviathan, but as far as I am aware it is also designed/built by Tim Farrant (Buzz Audio). One key difference is the amplifiers, as far as I understand - the Essence uses his fully-differential design which gives you near double the voltage swing for the same 500 series supply voltages, which is an advantage from the electronics standpoint. I can't comment on the sonics between the two and would love to try the Leviathan myself (and am quite happy to support Atlas Pro Audio / Nathan).
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Post by EmRR on Apr 14, 2024 19:44:09 GMT -6
JLM has one too.
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Post by ab101 on Apr 14, 2024 21:57:13 GMT -6
APA Leviathan is excellent and one space per unit. Great for acoustic guitar and more. I have not tried it on vocals. The Buzz Essence is also amazing - smooth almost like a Tube Tech Cl1b. Definitely great on vocals. 2 spaces per unit. I would use the Essence more for vocals and the APA Leviathan more for instruments, but someone may love the APA Leviathan on vocals. I have not tried the Audioscape 3a, but I bet it is great.
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Post by nas on Apr 15, 2024 4:02:13 GMT -6
Yes this is a great one as well and really fits the bill. Pre-assembled it's still very inexpensive considering the excellent quality, the slow attack option really gives it a lot of flexibility, and the 1U form factor is also my preference. Definitely a contender.
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Post by anders on Apr 15, 2024 14:01:16 GMT -6
Yes this is a great one as well and really fits the bill. Pre-assembled it's still very inexpensive considering the excellent quality, the slow attack option really gives it a lot of flexibility, and the 1U form factor is also my preference. Definitely a contender. It is a fairly simple and fun build, if you feel like going that route. I like mine a lot for tracking. But I swapped the chickenhead knobs for round ones. I find them easier to fine tune, especially doing the pull for attack time without bumping the setting.
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Post by Ward on Apr 16, 2024 18:10:46 GMT -6
I would suggest you go with the AS as mine are sold out for a good 5 months I am sure you can't go wrong with either Class all the way.
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