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Post by maldenfilms on Apr 9, 2024 20:40:49 GMT -6
You were all supposed to say it absolutely sucks and was the worst investment ever just to drive the used price down 😁 Oh, sorry, yeah I think John has some kind of weird word filter on here where it's making all of our talk about how bad it is turn into praise!
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Post by recordingengineer on Apr 9, 2024 20:42:36 GMT -6
The studio I work out of has one. We got it once we completed the build-out, so it’s been a good 5-years. I use it every session. I normalled the H9000 to the 2 stereo and 4 mono aux sends on the Duality, and then the M7 is always patched into one of the stereo aux sends.
It’s used on absolutely every session; whether just monitoring while tracking or while mixing. It’s always there. I seem to only use 4 presets (that are programmed to the buttons on the front-panel) and mostly just change the decay times.. Honestly though, I’m just kinda ho-hum about it. Not that it’s not great or that I wouldn’t miss if it was no-longer there. To me, it mostly seems to add a natural ambient-space around everything that wouldn’t have it otherwise. I’d definitely miss that. Still, I can’t say I’m all that excited about it. The PSP 2245 plugin you guys turned me onto gets me more excited. Sorry.
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Post by ab101 on Apr 9, 2024 20:43:23 GMT -6
If one is into precise classical music to the nth degree and/or wants to use a very realistic reverb box, I do not know of a reverb box better than the Bricasti. And of course the Bricasti is great at more than that. Once other realms are involved, there are many options that someone may prefer for a particular effect. Even the Lexicon LXP-1 can be pretty cool as well as the early Yamahas (Spx90), and more. And the Lexicon PCM software is very usable. And UA has some great reverb offerings.
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Post by drbill on Apr 9, 2024 21:03:08 GMT -6
Believe he uses the Studio A preset &$#^@#$*!^T!!!!! Shhhhhhh......
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Apr 9, 2024 23:26:10 GMT -6
So, just to be the contrarian in the room...I'd love to try one of these again, but my last run with it made me feel like it wasn't a big enough ROI. I just felt at the time, nobody was going to be able to tell...like no one is gonna walk up to me and say, "damn, dude...I heard that Bricasti you put on the snare..." I mean, maybe if I used one day in day out, I'd feel the same - but I guess we all have our different things we would or wouldn't live without. Not being a jerk, but this is where my head's at with the M7. I get jazzed up to buy one after "researching" and then I'm surprised how many are always for sale on the 'verb. Not an indictment, just an observation. Lucky enough to have some refurbed classic units. I should probably just try an M7 out sometime.
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Post by maldenfilms on Apr 10, 2024 1:00:18 GMT -6
In the interest of actually sharing some music (although it’s somewhat nerve-racking since you are all so talented), here’s a track where I used the M7’s Sunset Chamber (and slightly tweaked it) on the vocal. It’s an example where the reverb is really featured, and may be a bit too much for some people’s tastes, but I really enjoy how her voice plays off it. samply.app/p/OKlgJFWeZ4nAncSjXczv
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Post by allbuttonmode on Apr 10, 2024 2:19:51 GMT -6
I just realised I've had mine for 9 years. Time flies.
It is on every mix I do, and I do love it.
That being said, a lot has happened in 9 years, and I have not A/B'ed it against any of the later plugin verbs. I might be just as happy with a plugin.
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Post by stevenlmorgan on Apr 10, 2024 5:10:03 GMT -6
I run Reaper 64 @ 96k Seven years with the M7 and, despite buying and trying many reverb plug-ins, for my preferences, hardware M7 in parallel still has a perfect record. I don’t even go too far beyond presets as there are so many and, dialing in the amount of parallel reverb is extremely effective. Btw, anytime I work with a plug-in, I use it the same way, create a send to create parallel, 100% wet reverb and dial in the amount with the fader. Most recently I liked the latest FabFilter plug with some of the new capabilities but, during final comparison, I chose the M7. Thank you. Seven years, M7, yeah I appreciate that! What are you running DAW wise?
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 10, 2024 5:55:12 GMT -6
I demoed an M7 for a weekend (my then pro audio dealer dropped one off)
To my utter surprise I was completely underwhelmed.
I’ve no idea what I was expecting, perhaps it was all the “urban myth” surrounding this unit or just my own expectations?
I guess for my genre of music I’m all about steamy, wavy modulated Lexicons and plate reverbs - even spring reverb units sounds great to me.
I did think, if I was doing film work, this unit is excellent at simulating spaces.
No doubting its build quality and provenance of course.
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Post by drbill on Apr 10, 2024 9:45:43 GMT -6
Not sure how long I've had mine, but it's been at least 12 years. Probably closer to 15. One of the Bricasti guys (not Casey - and I've forgotten his name) brought it to the old studio for me to audition. I was in the middle of a mix, and I was using one of the convolution verbs with an IR of the Bricasti in the mix. Might have been one of the stone room IR's. Can't remember. We swapped out the hardware for the IR and after about 30 seconds to a minute of futzing and listening, I asked to be excused. I went and got my checkbook, came back, and wrote a check on the spot for the hardware. The difference in "aliveness" was astounding for me, and worth the $$$$. They were cheaper then.... . I understand if some don't "get it". But for me it was absolutely worth the money.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 10, 2024 10:02:24 GMT -6
This is one of those things that I’m just gonna have to go rent and do a comparison myself again. I’m all for springing for things that just can’t be replicated in software. I might have a different opinion ten years later.
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Post by longscale on Apr 10, 2024 10:12:24 GMT -6
I still like mine....though I've not owned it for 12 years. Could I live with software reverb? Sure, I did so for years. But the M7 gives me sounds that I enjoy. It is easy to find what I want, and it is HW so I can track with it and print that or at a min give it to the talent in a headphone mix.
Is that worth the money - only the individual can make that decision. I don't see it ever going anywhere in my space. I don't use it to have others rave over my sounds. I use it because I like the sounds. People listening with AirPods won't be able to tell I have all NOS Mullards in my AC30 either. But I sure can tell and it makes me happy. I get the ROI question. That is a hard call. People with better ears and skills can make things sound great that I can't. The M7 makes me think I have a better recording space than I do. I'd like to have a 2nd.
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Post by matt on Apr 10, 2024 11:30:27 GMT -6
Three M7Ms here along with the Model 10 remote. As others have said, the M7 Link plugin is essential and makes management of settings easy, rendering the remote optional. Five years in, I use them on every mix- it's automatic. I stopped comparing with plugins long ago. I think the M7 does a special thing that not even the Liquidsonic does. Along with the hardware, I use the Valhalla range and also certain room sims like the IK Sunset Sound and a few others. But the Bricastis are first-call for verbs.
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Post by FM77 on Apr 10, 2024 11:47:02 GMT -6
M7 en route....
In a few days I'll report back with my first impressions.
I am not expecting massive change, I am only wanting that last bit of 'something special' I feel I am missing. It is truly a visceral thing. It's always subtle, until it isn't. The last % always seems to cost a great deal more when talking about fundamentals. I am cool with that.
As a writer, professional musician /lifelong gear head, it's all par for the course and I appreciate reading the shared experiences and dialogue.
FM
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Post by drbill on Apr 10, 2024 13:25:24 GMT -6
This is one of those things that I’m just gonna have to go rent and do a comparison myself again. Yup. That's the only way you can really quantify things. I was skeptical - until I demo'd against the exact same "patch" IR in my own room, on my own mix. That's what flipped me.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 10, 2024 13:27:43 GMT -6
For whatever reason, I personally find IR based reverbs need way more sculpting (mainly filtering the input) than algos. Not sure why, and it could just be me. (And I still shape both in the end).
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Post by drbill on Apr 10, 2024 13:28:19 GMT -6
One thing not really mentioned here.... Build quality. The construction is second to none. Hands down. I know this gets said all the time, but really, I've owned TONS (literally) of gear over the decades, and nothing save my Manly Vari-Mu comes even close to the same build quality. Something to keep in mind. I expect this unit to easily go 50 years and far outlive me without a hiccup.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 10, 2024 16:16:59 GMT -6
One thing not really mentioned here.... Build quality. The construction is second to none. Hands down. I know this gets said all the time, but really, I've owned TONS (literally) of gear over the decades, and nothing save my Manly Vari-Mu comes even close to the same build quality. Something to keep in mind. I expect this unit to easily go 50 years and far outlive me without a hiccup. I've had to replace the fans in mine as they get old and worn out. But that's it.
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Post by drbill on Apr 10, 2024 18:14:15 GMT -6
One thing not really mentioned here.... Build quality. The construction is second to none. Hands down. I know this gets said all the time, but really, I've owned TONS (literally) of gear over the decades, and nothing save my Manly Vari-Mu comes even close to the same build quality. Something to keep in mind. I expect this unit to easily go 50 years and far outlive me without a hiccup. I've had to replace the fans in mine as they get old and worn out. But that's it. Whaaaaa?? What a POS. I'm going to sell this thing immediately!!!
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Post by nnajar on Apr 10, 2024 19:18:40 GMT -6
I really miss mine. I still own it but haven’t used it in 3 years and a few months ago I dropped it off at my e so he could hook it up to his fancy new Neve desk.
I don’t really like the IRs and cannot really articulate why, but our business has gotten that I need full mobile recall so even though there’s front end hardware in our studio for tracking, once we get it down it stays ITB. I use quantum evolution now in its place and it sounds way different but it’s the first itb reverb I’ve found that can give me what I’m trying to accomplish, it just goes about it in a different way. I’m really happy with quantum but I still wish I had 2 real bricastis inside my laptop. Or 4 lol.
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Post by FM77 on Apr 10, 2024 19:43:17 GMT -6
I really miss mine. I still own it but haven’t used it in 3 years and a few months ago I dropped it off at my e so he could hook it up to his fancy new Neve desk. I don’t really like the IRs and cannot really articulate why, but our business has gotten that I need full mobile recall so even though there’s front end hardware in our studio for tracking, once we get it down it stays ITB. I use quantum evolution now in its place and it sounds way different but it’s the first itb reverb I’ve found that can give me what I’m trying to accomplish, it just goes about it in a different way. I’m really happy with quantum but I still wish I had 2 real bricastis inside my laptop. Or 4 lol. I like Quantum Evolution. It is very nice. It's a very smooth and detailed plugin, one of the sweeter Reverbs.
I'll still use it once I get the Bricasti as I like different verbs, but HW helps me commit in advance. Stay focused on my writing and performance. That's why I like tape as well.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 11, 2024 12:42:23 GMT -6
Somewhere back in time I was given the Bricasti IR's. I use Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven now. The few times I heard the hardware Bricasti for myself, I was impressed. There was a depth to it no other reverb has.
I don't miss hearing the Lexicon XL480 hardware since I've had the Relab version for many years, but I think I would miss the Bricastic if I had one.
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Post by FM77 on Apr 13, 2024 18:54:50 GMT -6
Had to park it in the big black rack for the moment.
I'll find a spot for it soon.
First small effort - Studio B Close on a drum buss. Wow, that certainly put my drums in a nice room. Weighty and very real. I look forward to the next few weeks. Extremely Impressive. Extremely smooth.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 13, 2024 18:59:02 GMT -6
Had to park it in the big black rack for the moment.
I'll find a spot for it soon.
First small effort - Studio B Close on a drum buss. Wow, that certainly put my drums in a nice room. Weighty and very real. I look forward to the next few weeks. Extremely Impressive. Extremely smooth.
Enjoy!
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Post by FM77 on Apr 14, 2024 8:22:26 GMT -6
Good lord... this is smooth - visceral realness.
I was up early for in-depth listening and comparison using headphones. Last night was impressive, but just a quick drum buss listen.
Maybe it's because of the less hyped style of music I write and record but this is by far the best Reverb I have ever experienced. Nothing subtle about the differences here. It is instant.
Because of my room limits, I record dry. This puts my instruments - in - some very nice spaces.
I really appreciate the perspectives, thank you.
FM
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