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Post by kyle on Apr 1, 2024 21:56:09 GMT -6
I've had my Dynaudio BM6As for over 20 years now. They've served me flawlessly and almost never been turned off in all these years. Moving into my final few "good" years now as I'm getting into my mid 60s.
The BM6As were all the rage after Y2K, but I can't help but wonder if I would be better served spending my last few viable years with something fresher with current tech.
Is anyone here still using the same monitors they were in 2002? I'm thinking about things like KH150s, A7Vs, HEDD 07 MK2, and maybe even Dynaudio Core 7s.
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Post by andersmv on Apr 1, 2024 22:17:26 GMT -6
I bought a pair of original Adam A7’s from a friend that bought the, new. I sold them years ago to another friend and he’s still got them and they’re going strong. They’ve got to be pushing close to 20 years at least. Plenty of lo-fi crap speakers sitting in my relatives living rooms that have been there since I was a kid (I’m pushing 40). Stuff happens though, it doesn’t matter if it’s crap or really expensive. The difference is, you can usually fix the nicer stuff fairly easily.
My parents are your age, my dad hunts and fishes a lot. He doesn’t buy as much gear as he used to, but the handful of things he’s gotten the last few years have all been top of the line. At your stage in life, if you can afford it, I say you deserve it. Nothing wrong with your Dynaudios, I worked on a pair of those for 5 years sitting as the B speakers in a larger control room. They’re great for the money and time they came out, but things have certainly progressed significantly since then. Plenty of options in the $2k range that will leave you saying “ya, this is an upgrade”. If you want to jump up to the $5k range, it’s going to be a night and day difference.
Keep the dynaudios, you’ve had them a long time and they’re familiar. I say you’ve earned it, splurge and get something really expensive and great. Speakers are everything, it’s the culmination of everything else in your studio and really the only thing that matters. Treat yourself and your ears.
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Post by reddirt on Apr 2, 2024 1:57:14 GMT -6
.....but take your time and ultimately make your own decision; i.e. possibly not what is the current fave. Cheers, Ross
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 2, 2024 2:59:48 GMT -6
With or without repairs?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2024 3:55:10 GMT -6
Get atc’s , you can send them to factory for refurb !
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 2, 2024 5:08:08 GMT -6
If you like them, and they work for you, I wouldn’t change. Maybe keep them and get another pair of something just to see how they compare. But if it ain’t broke….
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Post by FM77 on Apr 2, 2024 5:24:53 GMT -6
This is pro audio. It is the same as the guitar industry or Mexican food or countless other industry's. The same few ingredients and components are re-packaged, rearranged over and over again....and in audio, often for the cheaper in the spirit of technology.
The BM6As are great speakers. But more importantly, your knowing them and the room they are in is the biggest advantage.
If you want to upgrade, I think it is a great way to feel inspired. Personally I would consider a 3-way. That will be a greater upgrade than just newer tech.
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Post by Quint on Apr 2, 2024 6:13:20 GMT -6
I've had a pair of BM5As that are about 20 years old. They still work fine. I only just upgraded to a different pair of monitors last year, and that was only because I was jonesing for a 3-way, so I got the Neumann KH-310s, which I have been very happy with.
That said, I'd agree with some of the advice above about using what you know (the BM6As). I guess it depends on how long you think you will continue to want or need a functional pair of monitors. Or, if you're feeling that sort of retirement age urge to splurge, just get something nice like a new 3-way, and live a little.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 2, 2024 6:34:54 GMT -6
I bought a pair of Genelec 1030A’s back in 1993 and I’ve had them ever since and they are still kicking strong, no issues. I can’t really say how many hours are on them as I’ve had two sets of monitors for years trying different monitors out every 5 years or so. I am surprised though. I’ve been pretty lucky over the decades, knock on plastic.
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Post by Dan on Apr 2, 2024 6:42:09 GMT -6
They have better speaker design tools now but mostly make less useful speakers than the BM6a. Mostly they’re used to make stuff cheaper from worse parts that do not sound as good and measure as well then claim they’re better, put a hype machine around that theyre better, and then have their mostly paid off or free sample supporters cite “science” on the internet. You don’t see those guys rocking crazy stuff like Reflector Audio or Strauss systems or anything awesome like ATC SCM 50 + subs, PSI 25, Quested dual 8” woofer three ways, or Duntech / Dunlavy mains. No it’s all compromised bs with additional conversion steps in it, low headroom, big port boosts into a limiter, and complex crossovers.
The cite Floyd Toole books that you can equalize away resonances in the loudspeaker drivers without consequences, without considering that these resonances have distortion or the distortion of the cheap eq filters usually used in active crossovers or the old style digital biquads ones in cheap dsp chips running at single precision float that feed the quantization error back into itself, producing partial near dc in your woofer and that these poor filters do not matter 😆 It’s better to just use a better speaker driver. Floyd Toole never designed a useful speaker for studio monitoring. They were all useless. Then he trashed the Yamaha NS10m and the Auratone 5C. Meanwhile many far from linear JBLs, that often had overly complex bs crossovers and still sound far from flat, were useful. There are albums that were mixed on NS10s or Altecs and remixed recently on modern speakers. The original mix always wins and translates better.
The BM6A are still very useful and detailed speakers that force you to get the low mids correct, the mid mids are good and flattish, there is a slight crossover dip that forces you to make voices and strings audible, and the air is slightly boosted, forcing you to remove artifacts and filter out hiss. They are still probably the best active speakers you can buy for 2000 dollars a pair new. The ATC SCM12 are a little flatter but are passive and require a powerful amplifier. The Focals might use some more advanced parts but mostly just sound different.
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Post by Dan on Apr 2, 2024 7:04:15 GMT -6
Most of these active monitors with limiters in them just break electrically from crap parts in overheated plate amps. They don’t break physically until the drivers decay: surrounds cracking, foam degradation, voice coils rubbing or melting, tweeter ferrofluid drying up.
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Post by brenta on Apr 2, 2024 7:50:42 GMT -6
They will last multiple decades, but eventually you might want to get them recapped.
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Post by kyle on Apr 2, 2024 13:32:48 GMT -6
Thanks for the info guys. All good stuff. I have decided that if I upgrade, I will stick with Dynaudio and do the Core 7.
Over the last 2 years I've done some major purchasing to improve my final musical years...guitars: Murphy Lab Les Pauls and Masterbuilt Strats and Teles, more Martin and Taylor acoustics, HW: new Neve Shelford, API, Burl AD/DA...mics: Heiserman, Royer, Sony, along with a fresh studio computer with tons of software upgrades.
So the only main part left unchanged were the BM6as. I looked into that a year ago and decided I was happy with them and would continue. Recently at a rehearsal room, I was working with a band to deconstruct songs from a record heavily layered with guitars. A particular part jumped out at me that I hadn't noticed in my own room through my BM6s. I went back to my place and listened again...it was barely audible to me and I hadn't noticed it, but it was crystal clear through a Mackie Big Knob and some Focal Alpha 65s fed by mp3s on a cell phone at this rehearsal room.
And that wasn't the only time this happened during this project, where a part went unnoticed by me at my own place, only to hear it super obvious at this other location. So that had me wondering about component drift, fatigue etc, and wondering if it was time to move on in the monitor dept.
Besides music projects, I occasionally consult with music attorneys on copyright infringement cases where I do a more forensic analysis of song recordings and can't afford to be missing potentially important nuances.
So that's where I am and why I am back in the market for something fresh. I appreciate all of your replies and suggestions.
Now if I could only get some 25 year old ears again!
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Post by winetree on Apr 2, 2024 14:27:30 GMT -6
I've owned my Tannoy Big Reds ( M 1000 ) monitors for over 40 years.
The only mantainace is to rotate the Coaxial Speakers every so often. The large cones will tend to sag over time so a 180 degree rotation will prevent this. The speakers are front mounted with 4 large Allen screws so it's an easy procedure.
They still sound great powered by an Adcom 555 modified by Jim Williams.
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Post by ericn on Apr 2, 2024 14:45:41 GMT -6
Drivers are electro mechanical devices so yes their is some wear involved, a recone or diaphragm change out every 10-15 years isn’t a bad idea but really we probably shouldn’t think in terms of age but instead in ours of use.
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Post by christopher on Apr 2, 2024 14:54:55 GMT -6
I have an NS10m pair from who knows when. The bottoms are scraped up. The right speaker has an issue where the woofer won’t work unless I feed it a 90dB signal, then it pops on and will work at lower levels for as long as i want. Sonically, it does what I need from it. Embarrassing at first startup though.. sorry your mix sounds like bacon frying., .. everyone plug your ears, lol
That’s the kind of issues to watch for.
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Post by keymod on Apr 3, 2024 3:44:37 GMT -6
We have soffit-mounted JBL4315s that were installed by the original owner in 1978. I had to re-cone the woofers and mids when I bought the place in 2015. Other than that, they sound fantastic powered by a "Made-in-Woodinville" Mackie 2600 power amp.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Apr 9, 2024 15:05:56 GMT -6
Get atc’s , you can send them to factory for refurb ! I'm still using my ATC SCM10 Pro's, bought new in Dec 1997 direct from the factory, and they are still going strong and sounding great
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 9, 2024 15:06:59 GMT -6
Nice!
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