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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 16, 2024 15:22:40 GMT -6
I have bought and sold tons of shit before I have even learned how to use it. 😂 Wait. I bought and sold a ton as well, and was happy to have finally invested in expensive gear to ensure I easily sound great. Now you're telling me there is a learning component as well?  Yes. Amazingly, things started sounding much better too when I did learn how to use what I have. |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 16, 2024 22:02:09 GMT -6
I can’t speak for drsax but even when I got better A/D, I was still attached to my Apollo for the ability to track through DSP with zero latency. Of course there are several other options for this nowadays, but none seem to do it quite as elegantly as Console. I do miss that aspect of having an Apollo. Why would you track through DSP? Conceptually, for the same reason you'd tracks through a hardware piece. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 16, 2024 23:52:41 GMT -6
Why would you track through DSP? Conceptually, for the same reason you'd tracks through a hardware piece. Why not just track through some hardware? I’m all for ITB mixing but IME it only works to an acceptable level if the bed tracks have some analog sauce baked into them. Plug-ins aren’t particularly great at adding analog mojo, so at least tracking through hardware gets that part done and then mixing ITB you get some action out of plug-ins when they have some analogue tone to act on. Perhaps you don’t find this to be true? We all hear things differently - I do understand that. |
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Post by drsax on Apr 17, 2024 0:07:39 GMT -6
How does an Apollo interface positively affect your workflow? Are you using the emulated preamps? I can’t speak for drsax but even when I got better A/D, I was still attached to my Apollo for the ability to track through DSP with zero latency. Of course there are several other options for this nowadays, but none seem to do it quite as elegantly as Console. I do miss that aspect of having an Apollo. totally agreed. Being able to make little EQ or tweaks in the console and then be able to decide whether to commit them or not is just SO helpful. |
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Post by wiz on Apr 17, 2024 0:10:50 GMT -6
Conceptually, for the same reason you'd tracks through a hardware piece. Why not just track through some hardware? I’m all for ITB mixing but IME it only works to an acceptable level if the bed tracks have some analog sauce baked into them. Plug-ins aren’t particularly great at adding analog mojo, so at least tracking through hardware gets that part done and then mixing ITB you get some action out of plug-ins when they have some analogue tone to act on. Perhaps you don’t find this to be true? We all hear things differently - I do understand that. It's not just tracking through the plugs... which you can with the DSP version...and that's very cool.... especially something like c -suite noise remover on vocals...or the awesome verbs as comfort reverbs...but you can monitor them...also without your DAW running...eg band practice which is something I do. I really think if people can, and the system would work for you.. give the Apollo and a satellite a try... with LUNA.... it's such an easy and great sounding system at a reasonable price.... Of course everyones needs are different...but if it suits it works... (remember I had a fully modded delta console and huge amount of really great outboard gear...so I have a lot of experience with that as well....) cheers Wiz |
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Post by drsax on Apr 17, 2024 0:11:57 GMT -6
The workflow of the Apollo ecosystem is incredible. To me it’s worth it. And interfacing other converters with the Apollo setup is fantastic IMO for that very reason. Recalling full band or drum sessions including headphone mix is amazing! How does an Apollo interface positively affect your workflow? Are you using the emulated preamps? I use analog hardware on the front end, so no, not using the preamps, but if I didn’t have great hardware, I wouldn’t hesitate to use the preamp emulations. And using the console to setup headphone mixes is so flexible and easy. And if I need to make tweaks after the hardware, I can add a plugin and go to town, and decide whether I want to commit it to the recording or only hear it. Can take headphone cue mixes across the country on my laptop as needed as well. The Apollo workflow is incredible IMO. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 17, 2024 0:14:25 GMT -6
Why not just track through some hardware? I’m all for ITB mixing but IME it only works to an acceptable level if the bed tracks have some analog sauce baked into them. Plug-ins aren’t particularly great at adding analog mojo, so at least tracking through hardware gets that part done and then mixing ITB you get some action out of plug-ins when they have some analogue tone to act on. Perhaps you don’t find this to be true? We all hear things differently - I do understand that. It's not just tracking through the plugs... which you can with the DSP version...and that's very cool.... especially something like c -suite noise remover on vocals...or the awesome verbs as comfort reverbs...but you can monitor them...also without your DAW running...eg band practice which is something I do. I really think if people can, and the system would work for you.. give the Apollo and a satellite a try... with LUNA.... it's such an easy and great sounding system at a reasonable price.... Of course everyones needs are different...but if it suits it works... (remember I had a fully modded delta console and huge amount of really great outboard gear...so I have a lot of experience with that as well....) cheers Wiz Thanks Wiz. Well your recordings are a testament to how good the system sounds! I'm set these days with Cubase some hardware in - mix ITB (channels) - some hardware out. But one day I might down size (I have 3 large racks of hardware) and it's good to make notes of other systems and how other people get work done. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 17, 2024 1:04:04 GMT -6
How does an Apollo interface positively affect your workflow? Are you using the emulated preamps? I use analog hardware on the front end, so no, not using the preamps, but if I didn’t have great hardware, I wouldn’t hesitate to use the preamp emulations. And using the console to setup headphone mixes is so flexible and easy. And if I need to make tweaks after the hardware, I can add a plugin and go to town, and decide whether I want to commit it to the recording or only hear it. Can take headphone cue mixes across the country on my laptop as needed as well. The Apollo workflow is incredible IMO. It looks like a good system. I've never read anything very positive about it's converters (thus this thread I guess) - the same goes for my RME gear - I like the drivers and total mix but use Crane Song converters with them over AES. But checking the back, I can see you get 16 channels of ADAT with an Apollo rack unit and that allows someone (for example) to add a Lynx Aurora N and still get the workflow. So many great options out there these days! |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 17, 2024 9:08:27 GMT -6
Conceptually, for the same reason you'd tracks through a hardware piece. Why not just track through some hardware? I’m all for ITB mixing but IME it only works to an acceptable level if the bed tracks have some analog sauce baked into them. Plug-ins aren’t particularly great at adding analog mojo, so at least tracking through hardware gets that part done and then mixing ITB you get some action out of plug-ins when they have some analogue tone to act on. Perhaps you don’t find this to be true? We all hear things differently - I do understand that. I actually have hardware and using it in tracking, but I've been at this 25 years and have accumulated a lot. But, no everyone has. Some are younger and don't have hardware. Some sold off hardware for various reasons. Some are coming back to music and rebuilding. The UAD infastructure and workflow seem to be helpful to those types. |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 17, 2024 19:06:17 GMT -6
Gee I only retained 3 of the out of production all time bedroom Classics...
Nanoverb/Nanocompressor/Aphex Type C EXCITER!*. Bolstered by the requisite Analog Console (Mackie VLZ with those Boutique Onyx Pre's!)
Chris
*Just seems to deserve CAPS and an exclam.
Doesn't it?
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Post by drumsound on Apr 17, 2024 21:40:11 GMT -6
Gee I only retained 3 of the out of production all time bedroom Classics... Nanoverb/Nanocompressor/Aphex Type C EXCITER!*. Bolstered by the requisite Analog Console (Mackie VLZ with those Boutique Onyx Pre's!) Chris *Just seems to deserve CAPS and an exclam. Doesn't it? Nanocomp is good for plowing shit up as I recal! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 18, 2024 13:13:55 GMT -6
After the BLA mod, my mixes have been tighter and have gone much quicker. I haven't felt that "it's good, but not great" thing since the mod.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 18, 2024 15:38:09 GMT -6
How would you guys rate the Revive mods, in comparison to Black Lion?
Generally?
Chris
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Post by wiz on Apr 18, 2024 15:56:34 GMT -6
How would you guys rate the Revive mods, in comparison to Black Lion? Generally? Chris I had a pair of dbx 163s and a aphex 320a both had revive mods….both were excellent |
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Post by wiz on Apr 19, 2024 1:15:53 GMT -6
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Post by veggieryan on Apr 19, 2024 10:53:28 GMT -6
yes... A to D is where the rubber meets the road... its where the converter makes it money...
To build or acquire a good to great D to A is easy compared to a good to great A to D...
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Post by chessparov on Apr 19, 2024 11:04:06 GMT -6
I have a non-PC "D" joke. But I'd better behave instead.  Chris |
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Post by sonnycheebs on Sept 17, 2024 22:46:46 GMT -6
So what is the long term (3 month) verdict on the a to d? I am considering a BLA upgrade on my x6. I’m good on the d to a side. I use a grace m905. On the ad side I have a lucid 88192 modded by revive. It sounds great but I really am considering slim my system down. Having the lucid for just one vocal channel messes with me. Seems wasteful. But I don’t like the sound of the Apollo AD.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 0:05:04 GMT -6
I can’t speak for drsax but even when I got better A/D, I was still attached to my Apollo for the ability to track through DSP with zero latency. Of course there are several other options for this nowadays, but none seem to do it quite as elegantly as Console. I do miss that aspect of having an Apollo. totally agreed. Being able to make little EQ or tweaks in the console and then be able to decide whether to commit them or not is just SO helpful. Yeah…it’s why my whole thing is built around the Apollo |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 0:07:47 GMT -6
So what is the long term (3 month) verdict on the a to d? I am considering a BLA upgrade on my x6. I’m good on the d to a side. I use a grace m905. On the ad side I have a lucid 88192 modded by revive. It sounds great but I really am considering slim my system down. Having the lucid for just one vocal channel messes with me. Seems wasteful. But I don’t like the sound of the Apollo AD. I wouldn’t be scared to use it on anything. In fact, I do…I think my Hilo is slightly smoother in the mids, but the AD on this modded Apollo is totally great. |
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