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Post by Dan on Mar 28, 2024 13:22:28 GMT -6
Everything DBX is being emulated! First Softube did the 160 VU with a punch button and a high frequency expander. Now Fuse does the DBX 118 with the option to compress or expand the entire dynamic range threshold free! Their TCS-68 already emulated the Dolby NR in the Tascam 688 so this is a natural further step.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 28, 2024 13:39:47 GMT -6
Well damn this reminds me I have aDBX118 in the closets May have to dig it out
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Post by jaba on Mar 28, 2024 14:10:39 GMT -6
Dammit. The 118 was my secret weapon. I even made a preset in Molot that attempts to emulate it.
Will buy for sure. Fuse is worth supporting and their plugs are good and fun to use.
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Post by Dan on Mar 28, 2024 14:49:05 GMT -6
Dammit. The 118 was my secret weapon. I even made a preset in Molot that attempts to emulate it. Will buy for sure. Fuse is worth supporting and their plugs are good and fun to use. the reverse ratio feedforward negative ratio hammering omnipressor thing on the hardest knee to get it to expand a bit upon crossing threshold? that is totally insane |
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Post by theshea on Mar 28, 2024 15:45:30 GMT -6
i got a HW dbx 118 too :-). used it on drumbass lately. will demo the plugin.
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2024 8:55:48 GMT -6
These Fuse compressors are almost always just ways to mess up drum samples and stuff. This one pretty much on linear and it sounds cool. The VCL-373 has insane pump as a nuke or for just smashing down vocals, the Fuse Federal sounds ridiculous, and the VCL-25A is a really cool oscillation fx on synths. I like the VCL-515 a lot as a guitar and bass leveling tool though. It's genuinely useful I like this more than the free Softube VCA which sounds like a parody of a dbx 160, which is a pretty good if limited compressor irl but the softube plug is just some "mess up fake drums" sheet.
For real recordings, I would just use something clean and functional like the Oxford Dynamics, Waves Renaissance, Tokyo Dawn compressors, the MDWDRC2, that do not totally digitally misbehave and do stupid things to the audio. If I want to do that, I set Molot to be nutty or use Vulf Compressor. Those can solve problems. These Fuse comps and other circuit modeled plugins like the UAD ones, not really. Cytomic The Glue turned out to be incredibly smooth when I got a computer that could run it at 16x oversampling on a busy mix but I still don't own it.
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Post by bikescene on Mar 29, 2024 9:33:41 GMT -6
I will check this out. Other than the plug-in world, my only exposure to DBX compression is through the 163X.
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Post by jaba on Mar 29, 2024 11:43:31 GMT -6
Dammit. The 118 was my secret weapon. I even made a preset in Molot that attempts to emulate it. Will buy for sure. Fuse is worth supporting and their plugs are good and fun to use. the reverse ratio feedforward negative ratio hammering omnipressor thing on the hardest knee to get it to expand a bit upon crossing threshold? that is totally insane I never knew what was going on under the hood but mine pretty much lives on linear. Things can get pretty cool pretty quickly. Having the hardware I doubt I NEED the plug but will likely grab it anyway. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 29, 2024 11:54:16 GMT -6
the reverse ratio feedforward negative ratio hammering omnipressor thing on the hardest knee to get it to expand a bit upon crossing threshold? that is totally insane I never knew what was going on under the hood but mine pretty much lives on linear. Things can get pretty cool pretty quickly. Having the hardware I doubt I NEED the plug but will likely grab it anyway. on linear, it's a threshholdless dbx 160 with different circuitry. like they hacked it out of a dbx noise reduction circuit. |
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Post by jaba on Apr 14, 2024 8:23:05 GMT -6
Been playing around with this and the plug doesn't get me to what I got with the hardware quite as easily.
To my ear, it seems the hardware expands INTO compression whereas the plug has a split second of expansion before the compression kicks in. The overall character and movement of the compression is really close (and great) but I wish that initial attack was tucked in a bit more in the plug. To get the wash and movement that I love from the HW I have to add transient shaper after the Fuse 118.
Anyone else compare side by side?
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Post by Dan on Apr 14, 2024 9:09:49 GMT -6
Been playing around with this and the plug doesn't get me to what I got with the hardware quite as easily. To my ear, it seems the hardware expands INTO compression whereas the plug has a split second of expansion before the compression kicks in. The overall character and movement of the compression is really close (and great) but I wish that initial attack was tucked in a bit more in the plug. To get the wash and movement that I love from the HW I have to add transient shaper after the Fuse 118. Anyone else compare side by side? That’s every dbx plugin. They don’t emulate the expansion before compression and then non-linearities of the blackmer rms detector. The special effect linear mode with no threshold is pretty much the reason for this plug in I like the Softube vca for sounding like a cartoon but Presswerk and the MDWDRC2 are much smoother. MDWDRC2 on harder knees and lower sample rates has a stupid big overshoot for drums too. I much prefer using Molot, which behaves correctly on transients and lets me dial in the overshoot I want and does expand slightly on the hardest knees. The thing is a beast. The free original was cool and the GE is amazing and just makes other character Compressor plugs sound bad. Vlad G is the man. Tai Chi is like Molot for vintage style reverbs too. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 14, 2024 11:24:15 GMT -6
Also the Weiss ds1 has a cool overshoot because attack and release come before threshold so on harder knees, there’s a slight delay before it compresses slightly too fast and then it recovers slightly too quickly all the way to 0 gr which is unusual for a logarithmic compressor
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Post by jaba on Apr 14, 2024 12:07:00 GMT -6
Been playing around with this and the plug doesn't get me to what I got with the hardware quite as easily. To my ear, it seems the hardware expands INTO compression whereas the plug has a split second of expansion before the compression kicks in. The overall character and movement of the compression is really close (and great) but I wish that initial attack was tucked in a bit more in the plug. To get the wash and movement that I love from the HW I have to add transient shaper after the Fuse 118. Anyone else compare side by side? That’s every dbx plugin. They don’t emulate the expansion before compression and then non-linearities of the blackmer rms detector. The special effect linear mode with no threshold is pretty much the reason for this plug in I like the Softube vca for sounding like a cartoon but Presswerk and the MDWDRC2 are much smoother. MDWDRC2 on harder knees and lower sample rates has a stupid big overshoot for drums too. I much prefer using Molot, which behaves correctly on transients and lets me dial in the overshoot I want and does expand slightly on the hardest knees. The thing is a beast. The free original was cool and the GE is amazing and just makes other character Compressor plugs sound bad. Vlad G is the man. Tai Chi is like Molot for vintage style reverbs too. Interesting. Thanks for the details. Agreed on the Molot GE. My dessert island plugin compressor. I made a 118 preset on it when I first got it. Not the same but always have the hardware nearby. You've peaked my interest on the Tai Chi. I'm a bit of a dry mix guy and tend to use reverbs obviously but have been getting into them more for subtle room/depth in recent years. The 2445 is great for room and space that blend, really get along with the Fuse 305 for darker stuff. Honestly, my Holy Grail+ pedal often sits in a mix better than most plugs. Spent a lot of time with a 224 that got me using reverbs more for space but haven't come across something that nails that style and blend ITB. |
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Post by yewtreemagic on Apr 26, 2024 6:11:40 GMT -6
I'd already bought 23 plug-ins from the most excellent Fuse Audio Labs, so I held out from trying their VCE-118 until today (just three days before the generous intro offer expires on April 29th). However, after trying out the demo and hearing what it could do, I bought it just five minutes later. Another triumph for Reimund Dratwa - I'm pumped!  |
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