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Post by geoff738 on Mar 27, 2024 14:38:08 GMT -6
For a bunch of reasons.
First, one of my monitors is acting up. It is making sputtering, motorboat kind of sounds and gets extremely hot to the touch. To the point I am concerned it might be a fire hazard. The working one does not do that. They weren’t terrific to start with. Event something or others. Not worth fixing.
Plus, I’m a renter and that’s unlikely to change in the near future. And my space is abominable. Yes, a bedroom. So there is a limit to how much I am able or willing to do on the room treatment end.
So, headphones? Am probably going to pick up a pair of Ath M50s just so I have something closed back for tracking.
Current best phones are Shure Shr940s but Iam willing to up my game there to something like midtier Audeze or the like if headphones seem like the best way to go.
Keep in mind this is mostly for me. I might mix some friends stuff, but little chance of any of this getting out in the wild. Plus I am almost 60. How well can I hear anyways?
So, all thoughts and opinions welcome.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2024 14:50:09 GMT -6
Go for it, but demo headphones if possible?
I ditched my monitors 3 years ago, we all calibrate to what we regularly monitor with.
If you use sonarworks, you can by used calibrated headphones, like in Facebook marketplace.
You can reconsider buying good monitors when you are more settled ?
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Post by geoff738 on Mar 27, 2024 15:13:40 GMT -6
Go for it, but demo headphones if possible? I ditched my monitors 3 years ago, we all calibrate to what we regularly monitor with. If you use sonarworks, you can by used calibrated headphones, like in Facebook marketplace. You can reconsider buying good monitors when you are more settled ? I do have an elderly pair of Heybrook HB1s sitting gathering dust. I have had them forty years now, and have listened to a lot of music through them. So I know them like the back of my hand. And, I suspect they would make far better monitors than any of the budget stuff currently available. No bass extension but, it is what it is. Maybe that’s my answer right there. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 27, 2024 16:18:29 GMT -6
I’ve got a set of Slate headphones with about an hour of use on them that if sell if you’re interested in going that route.
Personally own AKG Q701, Sennheiser HD650 and 280, and the Slate, but my Bose QC35 V2 win. I do 90% of my work on them. The rest is between my PMC and Amphion monitors and the iPhone.
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 27, 2024 16:25:36 GMT -6
I'm half tempted myself, after years of working in crappy rooms or on NS10's I've become accustomed to headphones. Also I'm having an issue which I hope is due to some cheap cables I rush bought to get my studio up and running. Usually I buy Lynx Custom, not expensive but not cheap either and they've lasted me decades with no issues at all, I needed some more XLR to TRS cables so I grabbed some from a local shop and the contacts are causing uneven L/R signals on my mixer until I spin them around or mess with the contacts. I usually don't care about cables but I got what I paid for with those.. Ordered some new one's so we'll see.
If not getting a decent extended range class A/B that suits my specific monitor tastes ain't cheap and I'm fine with the Beyer Pro DTX 700's, there's no reason I couldn't do a good sounding album with those alone. I'd just have to test on other mediums a bit more..
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Post by mike on Mar 27, 2024 16:26:45 GMT -6
I did this for similar reasons and a less than ideal room, relying more on sonarworks and my headphones and moved to Neumann NDH 30 Open-back headphones and liked them so much I sold my Sennheiser HD600's FWIW
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Post by geoff738 on Mar 27, 2024 16:32:24 GMT -6
I’ve got a set of Slate headphones with about an hour of use on them that if sell if you’re interested in going that route. Personally own AKG Q701, Sennheiser HD650 and 280, and the Slate, but my Bose QC35 V2 win. I do 90% of my work on them. The rest is between my PMC and Amphion monitors and the iPhone. I think I am staying away from the Slate idea for a bunch of reasons. Although the Audeze apparently have some way they analyse and adjust for your hearing. Good luck with that in my case. But thanks for the offer; much appreciated. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by svart on Mar 27, 2024 19:17:52 GMT -6
Panasonic hje120 earbuds. 10$
Seriously.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 27, 2024 19:41:46 GMT -6
Mixing a rehearsal on a set if AirPods Pro right now. Bad for critical listening, really great for getting levels.
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Post by noob on Mar 27, 2024 19:45:08 GMT -6
Personally, I could never do it, but everyone is different. My ears get fatigued a lot faster from headphones, and I just find them generally more annoying. I like walking around and listening a lot too.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 27, 2024 21:26:44 GMT -6
Panasonic hje120 earbuds. 10$ Seriously. I tried them a few years ago and didn’t care for them personally. I’m generally not comfortable with buds though. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 27, 2024 21:55:08 GMT -6
i'd just buy a cheap pair of monitors like the jbl 5" woofer, kali 6" woofer, or krk rokit 5" woofer. there are new rokits out now. i hate headphones not the hd 25 and the hd 26. i only got used to hd 25 to do electronic music but i can do it on them.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 28, 2024 2:29:07 GMT -6
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Post by sean on Mar 28, 2024 4:55:00 GMT -6
I love my Audeze LCD-5 headphones. Crazy expensive but probably the best purchase I’ve made in a long time. Honestly less fatigue than with speaker.
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Post by FM77 on Mar 28, 2024 5:03:40 GMT -6
If you ditch the monitors, have you considered Slate VSX? - It is a great software.
Personally, I love the look, feel, vibe and sound of monitors. Headphones are hyper real, hyper stereo, hyper detailed. I dig them for detailed work. But this is 2024, tools have changed. Alot of choices for small spaces.
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Post by bgrotto on Mar 28, 2024 5:48:25 GMT -6
Big fan of the Ollo S5X. Excellent sonics, comfortable to wear for long stretches, and very affordable. They have an easy and generous demo policy. Try them out!
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 28, 2024 6:36:56 GMT -6
i'd just buy a cheap pair of monitors like the jbl 5" woofer, kali 6" woofer, or krk rokit 5" woofer. there are new rokits out now. i hate headphones not the hd 25 and the hd 26. i only got used to hd 25 to do electronic music but i can do it on them. Personally I'd never go for anything less than an 8" woofer unless I had a sub, if the monitor literally can't reproduce frequencies under 65 or 50HZ then how are you supposed to deal with that range? Unfortunately that's where monitors get expensive, a spot on 30Hz reproduction is going to cost a lot of $$$'s and subs are cheaper but add their own issues. So, headphones?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 28, 2024 7:04:55 GMT -6
Ya, but you also need a good room to support and to control Lower frequencies and depends on genre of music?
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Post by mjheck on Mar 28, 2024 7:32:11 GMT -6
I'm on Audeze LCD MX 4's exclusively.
I would certainly like to try the LCD 5's like Sean, as I am now back living in the US and can get mail again : ).
I won't bore you with the long history of monitors and headphones I tried getting to this point, but suffice to say I trust these. I mixes a couple of albums using different correction software in the chain (I forget which right now - pretty sure one was the Aucstica Audio as it actually had a curve for these specific headphones) but really, there wasn't a huge difference with or without it, which was a positive in my book (some of the curves for some of my headphones felt like trying on somebody else's prescription glasses).
I tend to stick with LCR panning, which helps. I've found the thing I have to watch the most is the volume of the center channel, but hell, I had this problem with monitors too. I still use things like laptop speakers to double check.
But all in all, I have had better translation and less surprises as mastering using these headphones.
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Post by Dan on Mar 28, 2024 7:42:13 GMT -6
i'd just buy a cheap pair of monitors like the jbl 5" woofer, kali 6" woofer, or krk rokit 5" woofer. there are new rokits out now. i hate headphones not the hd 25 and the hd 26. i only got used to hd 25 to do electronic music but i can do it on them. Personally I'd never go for anything less than an 8" woofer unless I had a sub, if the monitor literally can't reproduce frequencies under 65 or 50HZ then how are you supposed to deal with that range? Unfortunately that's where monitors get expensive, a spot on 30Hz reproduction is going to cost a lot of $$$'s and subs are cheaper but add their own issues. So, headphones?
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 28, 2024 7:55:14 GMT -6
Ya, but you also need a good room to support and to control Lower frequencies and depends on genre of music? I'm certainly no acoustician and needed GIK plus another third party to sort out my "control room". It's not massive, 14 X 17 ft but after treatment / room correction I'm getting +-3dB with monitors reporting in about 31Hz. I've seen arguments both for and against full range plus yes you're certainly going to need some treatment. If nulls occur even room correction software can't help you. I did notice that cardioid directivity in the bass section helps in my room, although in some locations even that can work against you.
As for genre, yes some are worse than others (EDM or Metal with 5 string basses etc.) although they can all go pretty low. A bass guitar in standard tuning has a fundamental of 41.2Hz and a piano's fundamental is 27.5Hz, you're more likely to play an open E on a bass than the first key of a piano but it's something to consider. This is one advantage of self tracking and composition, you can always put the key in your favour whilst in general mixing or tracking someone might show up with two 8 strings, a 5 string bass and recordings of a half orchestra. That was a fun project for sure but I'm happy to avoid 5 string basses wherever possible.
So, usually I stick to a 40Hz rule and keep tunings either standard or higher but years ago when budget didn't permit I worked with some 5" monitors for in room reference but mainly mixed on headphones. I'll be straight up here, results were mixed but I think that was mainly due to the Sennheiser HD open backs I was using. For me they didn't correlate to any monitor I've heard.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 28, 2024 8:01:46 GMT -6
Personally, I could never do it, but everyone is different. My ears get fatigued a lot faster from headphones, and I just find them generally more annoying. I like walking around and listening a lot too. I'm the same with movement and off axis listening. I also just don't spend a lot of time with headphones, so I'd need to try some nice one's to pick and then learn. |
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Post by doubledog on Mar 28, 2024 8:16:50 GMT -6
I've got the Slate VSX and they are useful. I'd probably never ditch real monitors for any kind of headphones... But if I had to I'd have a pair of the VSX too. I currently use them like a second or third opinion and they definitely help me hear certain things, which ultimately make the monitor mixes sound better.
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Post by bgrotto on Mar 28, 2024 9:00:53 GMT -6
I'm on Audeze LCD MX 4's exclusively. I would certainly like to try the LCD 5's like Sean, as I am now back living in the US and can get mail again : ). I won't bore you with the long history of monitors and headphones I tried getting to this point, but suffice to say I trust these. I mixes a couple of albums using different correction software in the chain (I forget which right now - pretty sure one was the Aucstica Audio as it actually had a curve for these specific headphones) but really, there wasn't a huge difference with or without it, which was a positive in my book (some of the curves for some of my headphones felt like trying on somebody else's prescription glasses). I tend to stick with LCR panning, which helps. I've found the thing I have to watch the most is the volume of the center channel, but hell, I had this problem with monitors too. I still use things like laptop speakers to double check. But all in all, I have had better translation and less surprises as mastering using these headphones. I have a set of the Audeze mm500s that sound excellent, but planar cans are too heavy for me to wear for extended periods of time. The Ollo phones I got are close in sound quality, so I’ve retired my audezes (I guess I should probably sell the, come to think of it…any takers here?🤷🏻♀️) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 28, 2024 9:18:30 GMT -6
Put an add in classified !  |
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