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Post by nick8801 on Mar 31, 2024 9:43:04 GMT -6
Beautiful setup with all the essentials. What kind of desk is that nick8801? Not quite sure! I bought it from a friend who was redoing their studio. He said it came from a guitar center display that was set up by Yamaha. |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 1, 2024 15:39:43 GMT -6
This is the final version in the night for dramatic effect.. |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 1, 2024 15:46:53 GMT -6
Oh and here's some amps n' stuff but it's nowhere near as shiny..
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Post by tonygunz21 on Apr 2, 2024 22:02:54 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Apr 3, 2024 0:05:27 GMT -6
What was this Thread about again?  |
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 3, 2024 5:38:46 GMT -6
Real, Spectacular racks.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 4, 2024 0:21:16 GMT -6
This is the final version in the night for dramatic effect.. Have you tried switching your monitors around so the tweeters are to the inside? That's quite a wide stereo field as they're big monitors. My ATC's sound much better tweeters and mids to the inside - ATC even suggest it in the manual. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 4, 2024 3:04:45 GMT -6
What was this Thread about again? 😆😆😆 |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 4, 2024 5:26:05 GMT -6
This is the final version in the night for dramatic effect.. Have you tried switching your monitors around so the tweeters are to the inside? That's quite a wide stereo field as they're big monitors. My ATC's sound much better tweeters and mids to the inside - ATC even suggest it in the manual. I'll give it a go actually, I spoke to Dynaudio about it and the said with the 59's there isn't a right way to set them up. In one of their demo rooms they were vertical / upside down which was interesting so sure.. Why not? |
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Post by FM77 on Apr 4, 2024 7:20:44 GMT -6
Have you tried switching your monitors around so the tweeters are to the inside? That's quite a wide stereo field as they're big monitors. My ATC's sound much better tweeters and mids to the inside - ATC even suggest it in the manual. I'll give it a go actually, I spoke to Dynaudio about it and the said with the 59's there isn't a right way to set them up. In one of their demo rooms they were vertical / upside down which was interesting so sure.. Why not?
Yeah man, it's common. My current space has limited room, I chose this custom modular desk by Joel at AudioRax a couple years back. I have my ATCs and Focals positioned to be the most effective in that space. Mid-drivers equal and my listening ear between the two tweeter heights. I did a mountain of experimenting and room analysis. I would prefer the Focals horizontally, but the ATCs are side ported and can't be placed vertically well. Focals, upside down, 2-way focus feature and rotating baffle. Makes it easy to configure. Its 3 sets of monitors as is.
Swapping those Dynaudios L-R will noticeably make a difference.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 4, 2024 9:07:46 GMT -6
I'll give it a go actually, I spoke to Dynaudio about it and the said with the 59's there isn't a right way to set them up. In one of their demo rooms they were vertical / upside down which was interesting so sure.. Why not?
Yeah man, it's common. My current space has limited room, I chose this custom modular desk by Joel at AudioRax a couple years back. I have my ATCs and Focals positioned to be the most effective in that space. Mid-drivers equal and my listening ear between the two tweeter heights. I did a mountain of experimenting and room analysis. I would prefer the Focals horizontally, but the ATCs are side ported and can't be placed vertically well. Focals, upside down, 2-way focus feature and rotating baffle. Makes it easy to configure. Its 3 sets of monitors as is.
Swapping those Dynaudios L-R will noticeably make a difference.
It’s important the ATC mid driver is at ear level … it doesn’t have very good off axis dispersion in the vertical plane - horizontal movement is ok - but in the vertical plane is only really works well and as intended at ear level. The manual covers this in detail. |
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Post by FM77 on Apr 4, 2024 9:38:41 GMT -6
Yeah man, it's common. My current space has limited room, I chose this custom modular desk by Joel at AudioRax a couple years back. I have my ATCs and Focals positioned to be the most effective in that space. Mid-drivers equal and my listening ear between the two tweeter heights. I did a mountain of experimenting and room analysis. I would prefer the Focals horizontally, but the ATCs are side ported and can't be placed vertically well. Focals, upside down, 2-way focus feature and rotating baffle. Makes it easy to configure. Its 3 sets of monitors as is.
Swapping those Dynaudios L-R will noticeably make a difference.
It’s important the ATC mid driver is at ear level … it doesn’t have very good off axis dispersion in the vertical plane - horizontal movement is ok - but in the vertical plane is only really works well and as intended at ear level. The manual covers this in detail. Yep. I have both the MKI and MKII. Although in real-time real world daily work, I will slouch, scoot in, sit up straight, adjust my chair back, lean back, roll back, stand up, sit to the side etc...each one of those changing the ear level / driver/tweeter relationship a bit. I consider it a very holistic balance and it just is not as critical as ATC mentions. Its a rough guide at best like all pro audio. These monitors are all over the planet, often in non ideal compromised placements. It's just audio. Its the relationship with human to room to gear that is far more critical.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 4, 2024 12:08:29 GMT -6
It’s important the ATC mid driver is at ear level … it doesn’t have very good off axis dispersion in the vertical plane - horizontal movement is ok - but in the vertical plane is only really works well and as intended at ear level. The manual covers this in detail. Yep. I have both the MKI and MKII. Although in real-time real world daily work, I will slouch, scoot in, sit up straight, adjust my chair back, lean back, roll back, stand up, sit to the side etc...each one of those changing the ear level / driver/tweeter relationship a bit. I consider it a very holistic balance and it just is not as critical as ATC mentions. Its a rough guide at best like all pro audio. These monitors are all over the planet, often in non ideal compromised placements. It's just audio. Its the relationship with human to room to gear that is far more critical.
Fair enough  I found in my treated space the height of the mid driver to my ear level made significant difference - I was surprised. |
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Post by FM77 on Apr 4, 2024 13:00:45 GMT -6
Yep. I have both the MKI and MKII. Although in real-time real world daily work, I will slouch, scoot in, sit up straight, adjust my chair back, lean back, roll back, stand up, sit to the side etc...each one of those changing the ear level / driver/tweeter relationship a bit. I consider it a very holistic balance and it just is not as critical as ATC mentions. Its a rough guide at best like all pro audio. These monitors are all over the planet, often in non ideal compromised placements. It's just audio. Its the relationship with human to room to gear that is far more critical.
Fair enough I found in my treated space the height of the mid driver to my ear level made significant difference - I was surprised. I understand. Sweet spots for stereo imaging are relevant, but I wouldn't overthink it. What part of the ear is ear level?? What part of the driver? The top, bottom or center? The tolerances are huge just in normal movement. This is why room correction software has you position the measurement mic approximately and loosely where your mix positions are. Its a holistic process. Flat speakers are great, but we mix the room which includes everything in it. I am just not sure why you chose to quote that info to begin with and what relevance it had to my post.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 4, 2024 13:17:57 GMT -6
Fair enough I found in my treated space the height of the mid driver to my ear level made significant difference - I was surprised. I understand. Sweet spots for stereo imaging are relevant, but I wouldn't overthink it. What part of the ear is ear level?? What part of the driver? The top, bottom or center? The tolerances are huge just in normal movement. This is why room correction software has you position the measurement mic approximately and loosely where your mix positions are. Its a holistic process. Flat speakers are great, but we mix the room which includes everything in it. I am just not sure why you chose to quote that info to begin with and what relevance it had to my post.
I just thought your 25’s looked very low and just mentioned it in case you hadn’t read the manual. Clearly it’s ended up as annoying uninvited advise. See, the dangers of being friendly on the www. half the time it back fires. I don’t know why I bother! |
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Post by FM77 on Apr 4, 2024 13:42:06 GMT -6
I understand. Sweet spots for stereo imaging are relevant, but I wouldn't overthink it. What part of the ear is ear level?? What part of the driver? The top, bottom or center? The tolerances are huge just in normal movement. This is why room correction software has you position the measurement mic approximately and loosely where your mix positions are. Its a holistic process. Flat speakers are great, but we mix the room which includes everything in it. I am just not sure why you chose to quote that info to begin with and what relevance it had to my post.
I just thought your 25’s looked very low and just mentioned it in case you hadn’t read the manual. Clearly it’s ended up as annoying uninvited advise. See, the dangers of being friendly on the www. half the time it back fires. I don’t know why I bother!
Its all good. I think you may have missed it when I wrote - "Mid-drivers equal and my listening ear between the two tweeter heights. I did a mountain of experimenting and room analysis"... That essentially puts my 'ear level' square on the ATC mid driver. I have been at this for a few decades. Those are non adjustable Argosy Spire 36 stands. They sit at the right height for non-console placement. I think the tall custom table creates a bit of an illusion.
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Post by Ward on Apr 4, 2024 13:49:42 GMT -6
What was this Thread about again? Nostalgia , old Seinfeld episodes . . . oh, the mammaries |
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Post by lowlou on Apr 4, 2024 14:20:10 GMT -6
One of the racks, & my dumb face  |
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Post by geoff738 on Apr 4, 2024 15:19:11 GMT -6
I have to figure out how to route things in my rack. I have more outboard than I do i/o, so some stuff may end up being patched in series. Previously I have had easy access to the back of the racks so repatching wasn’t a problem. Not so in the current setup. I suppose the obvious solution is a patchbay, but for a little home studio that is just me? I dunno.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2024 16:36:28 GMT -6
What was this Thread about again? Nostalgia , old Seinfeld episodes . . . oh, the mammaries I try to keep this type of D humour... At the Ear Level myself-I do Hope! Chris |
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Post by ninworks on Apr 4, 2024 20:03:33 GMT -6
I have to figure out how to route things in my rack. I have more outboard than I do i/o, so some stuff may end up being patched in series. Previously I have had easy access to the back of the racks so repatching wasn’t a problem. Not so in the current setup. I suppose the obvious solution is a patchbay, but for a little home studio that is just me? I dunno. Cheers, Geoff You need a patch bay. Get one. They are a bit of a pain to get wired but you will thank me later. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 5, 2024 0:45:48 GMT -6
I have to figure out how to route things in my rack. I have more outboard than I do i/o, so some stuff may end up being patched in series. Previously I have had easy access to the back of the racks so repatching wasn’t a problem. Not so in the current setup. I suppose the obvious solution is a patchbay, but for a little home studio that is just me? I dunno. Cheers, Geoff A patch bay doesn’t have to be a big expensive 96 way TT. Mastering engineers actually often use XLR bays as in some ways they’re a better more reliable connection. I have a 16x16 male/female XLR bay by Network sound. Very high quality Neutrik sockets and DB25 on the back. In effect it acts literally as a mirrored break out box for all the XLR’s on the back of my gear. I use XLR patch leads and away I go. I should add I’m only tracking two channels max at a time so I only have my HEDD 192 I/O on the bay. If I wanted to add a multichannel Ada for hybrid mixing then I’d have to step up to a TT 96 way …. not cheap to do properly. But for a smaller rig, I highly recommend an XLR patch bay/ breakout approach. |
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Post by ninworks on Apr 5, 2024 12:06:15 GMT -6
I have 3 banks of Neutrik 1/4" TRS patch bays. Not high quality by any means but acceptable for me. They can be bought used for about $75 each. 144 patch points that can be configured as half-normalled, split, or isolated. They will do everything I need them to. dbx also makes similar patch bays and the jacks are a little better quality. Still inexpensive compared to TT. I make all my own Mogami patch cables. They're lightweight but pass great signal. I'm the only one ever using them and I'm careful how I pull them out so they will last forever. They look crappy but I don't care as long as they work, and they do. I have about half of the bottom panel set up as balanced mults. Each one is set up for 1 in and 3 out. They come in handy sometimes. i.postimg.cc/RFBK5k5K/Neutrik-Patch-Bays-3.jpgAll of the runs are in either 8 or 16 conductor Mogami snake cable and vary from a bout 2 feet to 3 feet long. Here's one end of one of the cables. i.postimg.cc/VLR0WL9q/Snake-Color-Codes.jpg |
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Post by FM77 on Apr 5, 2024 12:46:15 GMT -6
My OCD just glitched...   |
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Post by winetree on Apr 5, 2024 13:26:18 GMT -6
This is the rack in the analog room. Featuring a Harrison MR-4 ( rebuilt to Jim Williams specks ), Otari MTR-90, Digital recorder, Tannoy Monitors.     This rack in the back ITB room. Mac Studio, MOTU 16a  Each rack has its own TT pachbay at the bottom of the rack. Other gear is wired into the console patchbay. All wiring is with Mogami digital cable. |
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