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Post by ab101 on Mar 24, 2024 14:46:06 GMT -6
Adding to Dan above:
TDR Molot GE is a work of beauty for a compressor.
Line 6 Echo farm - is the best echo I have found. And a little bit goes a long way.
I need to explore the U-he Satin. I have not been happy with any of the UAD tape emulations. Thomann has it for a little less money than some U.S. dealers. And since it is a download, why not buy from them.
I think it is better to spend a little more and get plugins that are great rather than mediocre. Otherwise, countless plugins start gathering up and that can almost be more of a nuisance than a help. At least, I have made that mistake.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2024 14:54:10 GMT -6
Ah, are you really characterizing UA plug ins, as mediocre: seriously ?  |
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Post by Dan on Mar 24, 2024 15:11:09 GMT -6
Ah, are you really characterizing UA plug ins, as mediocre: seriously ? yes most of them are emulations and they’re taking their sweet time to port the utilitarian ones like the precisions. The 1176 And la2a cannot do the job of the hardware. UAD doesn’t want to program novel tools to solve problems like TDR, oeksound, and Sound Radix or program a bunch of crazy things like Sound Toys, Goodhertz, and Fuse who are modeling things for crazy misbehavior and distortion. |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 24, 2024 15:13:41 GMT -6
Ah, are you really characterizing UA plug ins, as mediocre: seriously ? Hmm, I've used them for years and certainly got my money's worth. Besides the precision stuff which I didn't get along with they've been fine. After some testing though I found the same as Seawell, with the limited amount of hardware I have that matches with their plugs they're not all that close. Then again even in HW form I'd tend to lean towards Stam or I'd try out an AudioScape first. I'd probably say that UA on average make good plugins but there's better out there and I've moved on.. As an all in one cover all from one provider though they're pretty hard to beat. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 24, 2024 15:21:44 GMT -6
Totally, but it's also $90 on sale. That's a lot of money for one plugin that has a fairly significant learning curve (no pun intended). And again... I love Curve Bender and use it on like 50% of mixes on the master bus. OP already bought the essentials package it sounds like. What other "essentials" would you guys recommend next? I might get flamed for this but I would recommend something like Soothe or WF Equalizer. I've seen some of other OP's posts and he's just getting going here, those types of "shortcut" tools are great for getting a decent sound fast and will still be used as his skill increases. What do y'all think? I have been "hunting" plugins for the last year or so, acquiring them as they were on sale IF I felt like it was a sound I would like. Here is my list from Plugin-Alliance where I have gotten most of them from. Not much of any consequence from any other vendors: AMEK Mastering Compressor Ampeg SVT-VR Bettermaker Bus Compressor Black Box Analog Design HG-2 Brainworx bx_console AMEK 9099 Brainworx bx_console Focusrite SC Brainworx bx_console SSL 4000 E Brainworx bx_console SSL 9000 J Brainworx bx_crispytuner Brainworx bx_oberhausen Brainworx bx_stereomaker Brainworx bx_townhouse Buss Compressor Friedman DS-40 Kiive Audio Tape Face Kiive Audio XTComp Knif Audio Knifonium Lindell Audio 354E Lindell Audio 69 Series Lindell Audio 80 Series Lindell Audio ChannelX Louder Than Liftoff SILVER BULLET mk2 Maor Appelbaum Mastering & Hendyamps THE OVEN Mäag Audio EQ4 NEOLD U2A NEOLD V76U73 Noveltech Vocal Enhancer SoundToys 5 I probably have plenty and will learn what I like where over time, but again, they were all on sale (or free.) I am posting this so people know what I already have. Good chance I am set, but I keep my eye out for a gem here and there (i.e. SB, etc) Well scratch that! You're set on the basics. But I still think a "shortcut" plugin like Soothe could be helpful, but you probably don't need anything at all. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 24, 2024 15:23:03 GMT -6
Oxide. U-he Satin sounds so much better then the UAD oxide and studer. Why does the UAD Studer sound so weird? I don't know, it just never sounds right to me. Oxide is way more useful maybe because it's not trying to be something else, just trying to be kind of "tape-y". |
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Post by ab101 on Mar 24, 2024 15:30:54 GMT -6
Ah, are you really characterizing UA plug ins, as mediocre: seriously ? As to UA plugs: Some are great. Some are mediocre. And some I do not like at all. Mediocre may have been too strong a word in my post above, but what I mean is that it may not always be the best plugin of the particular type. My main point, is that if I took all the money I spent on plugins and just spent that money on the best ones, I would be ahead and have less clutter. That is just my experience. YMMV as they say and I respect that! |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 24, 2024 15:31:46 GMT -6
Ah, are you really characterizing UA plug ins, as mediocre: seriously ? Hmm, I've used them for years and certainly got my money's worth. Besides the precision stuff which I didn't get along with they've been fine. After some testing though I found the same as Seawell, with the limited amount of hardware I have that matches with their plugs they're not all that close. Then again even in HW form I'd tend to lean towards Stam or I'd try out an AudioScape first. I'd probably say that UA on average make good plugins but there's better out there and I've moved on.. As an all in one cover all from one provider though they're pretty hard to beat. This is my take. I wish I hadn't bought all the UAD channel strips and other stuff to emulate old preamps and things. I literally never use the Neve strips I have for example even though they sound just fine. A lot of dead weight in my plugin pile with stuff like UAD Helios (again, sounds great but... why do I need this?). But their chambers and reverbs are really good to my ears (some don't like it but I just love Capitol Chambers... maybe it's the music I grew up on or something, it's perfect) and their basics are solid. After all these years the stuff I still use other than spatial effects are the same things I got for free when I bought my first Apollo. Pultec, 1176, LA2A, Oxide. And honestly I don't even use the Pultec that often anymore It's not that they're amazing. It's that I know how to use an LA2A and an 1176 in real life and the plugins react just like I expect. And the Oxide reacts like the R2R I own. They aren't going to blow you away but they do what they should. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2024 16:20:01 GMT -6
Ah, are you really characterizing UA plug ins, as mediocre: seriously ? yes most of them are emulations and they’re taking their sweet time to port the utilitarian ones like the precisions. The 1176 And la2a cannot do the job of the hardware. UAD doesn’t want to program novel tools to solve problems like TDR, oeksound, and Sound Radix or program a bunch of crazy things like Sound Toys, Goodhertz, and Fuse who are modeling things for crazy misbehavior and distortion. They’re plug ins not hardware? While, I have my issues with how UA is managed describing their plug ins as mediocre: just doesn’t seem justified to me. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 24, 2024 16:26:01 GMT -6
“My main point, is that if I took all the money I spent on plugins and just spent that money on the best ones, I would be ahead and have less clutter. That is just my experience.” All good, just thought mediocre a little too sweeping as a generalization? We are completely on the same page! I sold all my UA stuff about two years ago, and only recently bought the Signature bundle as it was cheap and they are all native, so don’t need UA hardware and an perfectly happy with logic. Currently, I am only thinking ob hardware and new monitors. |
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