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Post by mobeach on Jul 24, 2014 17:22:08 GMT -6
Without bringing politics into the discussion, where does everyone think this is going? Think Putin is just playing tough guy or do you feel he wants to take over the Ukraine? I just heard artillery and rockets are being fired into the Ukraine from Russian soil. Things could get dicey!
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Post by winetree on Jul 24, 2014 17:53:12 GMT -6
Yes, probably everything east of the river. Those are the people that side with Russia.
Will it happen who knows. I think this is more of a concern for Europe.
(off subject rant)
All I Know is that America can't support or defend the world.
We give aid to every country in the world except 6.
Did we not learn anything from the last 2 wars we fought without any results.
Let alone the Vietnam or South Korean wars. What a waste.
The Federal Government was formed to provide a judicial system and protect the borders
and this was to be paid for by duties and tariffs. With Something like 17 trillion dollars in debt,
what went wrong?
Its time we take care of America.
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Post by mobeach on Jul 24, 2014 18:08:38 GMT -6
It's definitely time to take care of America.
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Post by LesC on Jul 24, 2014 20:19:48 GMT -6
As someone who escaped from Russian domination during the 1956 Hungarian revolution, I feel for the ordinary people of the Ukraine. I was only 3, but I can remember being terrified by the explosions and gunfire around me. It was very cold, and when I started to cry while we were walking through the minefields, my mother pointed to a tree and said that there are Russian soldiers behind it, and they would kill us all if they heard me. It shut me up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 24, 2014 22:55:07 GMT -6
Putin is a crook. I don't think the guy has world domination on his mind, though. Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, we have more pressing issues to deal with...like Radical Islam and a tanking economy.
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Post by levon on Jul 24, 2014 23:23:29 GMT -6
Putin is a crook. I don't think the guy has world domination on his mind, though. Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, we have more pressing issues to deal with...like Radical Islam and a tanking economy. 'Crook' is too kind... |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 25, 2014 4:44:18 GMT -6
There's certainly no excuse for shooting down a civilian airliner. Where I come from that's called murder.
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Post by svart on Jul 25, 2014 8:04:57 GMT -6
Malaysian airliner full of people disappears out to sea with no trace.. Malaysian airliner strangely flies directly over war zone, "shot down", Russians claim the bodies looked like they were already dead and decomposing..
False Flag operation, or just stupid decisions to fly over a war zone and for the Russians to shoot at a civilian plane?
You decide.
Personally I can't trust anything our Government/Media complex says so I'm sure we'll never know what the real deal is, but I'm sure it's not nearly as simple as they say it is.
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Post by mobeach on Jul 25, 2014 10:06:06 GMT -6
Malaysian airliner full of people disappears out to sea with no trace.. Malaysian airliner strangely flies directly over war zone, "shot down", Russians claim the bodies looked like they were already dead and decomposing.. So the same people were in both Malaysian airliners? :-D |
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Post by svart on Jul 25, 2014 10:56:53 GMT -6
Who knows, it's a mystery!
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Post by keymod on Jul 26, 2014 3:47:34 GMT -6
I don't believe that they knew it was a civilian plane when they fired the missile. It had to have been a very bad mistake by the inexperienced rebels who were being supplied high-tech weaponry by the Kremlin. " Hey, there's a plane overhead, let's see what this can do. oh, oh. ooops".
Of course, that doesn't change the outcome for the plane and it's passengers.
It is - very - interesting that the plane is another Malaysian airliner. Note to self: Don't book a flight on that airline.
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Post by mobeach on Jul 26, 2014 5:35:21 GMT -6
They probably didn't know, but along with weapons like that should come a little responsibility perhaps? I think Putin wants to return to a Soviet style hardcore govt based on intimidation. I clearly remember them shooting down the Korean airliner that wasn't even in Soviet airspace.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2014 7:01:50 GMT -6
I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but a 1/2 million Dutch folks in mourning lining the streets for a Hearst's full of bodies procession? That's a hell of an orchestration no? Almost as silly as the 911 World Trade Center conspiracy theories that can be debunked by the most basic understanding of physics. Now TWA flight 800 had 160 eye witnesses all seeing surface to air missiles rising to the sky off the coast of Long Island NY in 1996, a lot of them claim the FBI warned them not to talk about what the saw publicly when they were interviewed? that IS some BS right there.
The common putrid denominator with all these equally vial prickless perpetrators of hate, is their sociopathic disregard for people's lives. Smh
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Post by matt on Jul 26, 2014 13:00:57 GMT -6
There's no mystery here: a criminal act of mass murder was committed in the skies over Ukraine, and justice is being obstructed by allies of the perpetrators at all levels, including, it appears, the Russian government. I bet President Putin has a long report detailing the facts of this atrocity, and that it's a deep embarrassment on a political level because it exposes incompetence and criminal negligence on the part of those who fired the missile - most certainly pro-Russian "separatists" fomenting civil war in eastern Ukraine. The guilty parties might even be newly dead, to hide the true circumstances of this senseless act of savagery from an outraged world.
Welcome to the modern world, my friends. It's a place where you can no longer hide from view, but - still - anything goes. Outrageous, indeed.
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Post by formatcyes on Aug 5, 2014 16:50:32 GMT -6
There is a bloody precedent set in 1988 when the US shot down Flight 655. One would think the same standard should be set. Other wise we are all just hypocrites.
On a different note the Ukraine pro Russian government which was democratically elected was overthrown in a coup. The pro Russian rebels are actually fighting for Democracy (oh the irony). The pro west side hmmm. The civil war started when a democratically elected government was overthrown. Despite what you think of Russia they are probably on the right side in this conflict if you support democracy.
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Post by matt on Aug 5, 2014 18:47:22 GMT -6
There is a bloody precedent set in 1988 when the US shot down Flight 655. Unfortunately, the response by the US government was shameful, a clear cover-up by the Navy and the administration. It is interesting that nearly every government responds to egregious "mistakes" like this with denial and obfuscation, as if responsibility can be avoided. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 16, 2014 17:33:05 GMT -6
Everybody knows the cover up is worse than the crime but this time it's different . But it never is.
Goverment has to understand that they are human, and might be in over their head.
We have to realize that they are human, and let them take time, to find out what happened and whose to blame, rather than find the guy who might be able to solve the problem.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 17, 2014 6:35:51 GMT -6
There is a bloody precedent set in 1988 when the US shot down Flight 655. Unfortunately, the response by the US government was shameful, a clear cover-up by the Navy and the administration. Our domestic police are more militarized than our military. |
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