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Post by thehightenor on Feb 29, 2024 15:27:47 GMT -6
Budget ATC 25's maybe? .... a very similar design approach - even down to the side port. If they sound OK the price seems good. Maybe a slight influence in appearance, but really there isn’t much else you can do with a 3 way near field. Other than that very different drivers and priorities as well as Amp and front end. Yeah right - that's why I said maybe :-) |
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Post by Dan on Feb 29, 2024 15:47:09 GMT -6
For what it’s worth, to the folks saying they are made for hip hop and dance music or whatever… meh not really. Ryan Freeland uses them and makes some of the most beautiful acoustic records I’ve ever heard. Also, I got my footprint 01’s when they came out and I have yet to blow up one of their plate amps (whatever that is) or blow my ear drums out with the beaming junk tweeters 😁 This isn’t about the Footprint 01. The Footprint 03 are much cheaper and lighter speakers made god knows where with god knows what. Beaming means narrow directivity with increasing frequency. That’s it. Ring radiators beam. They are also generally less accurate than dome tweeters from artifacts and reflections off the phase plug. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 29, 2024 16:01:39 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see if they get a reputation for narrow or inconsistent sweetspot and or frequency response.
Part of learning a monitor is knowing its sweetspot in your room.
If people monitor too loud or basically regularly push their monitors hard, there’s a reason to buy Atc, the over engineering and durability, which are good thing, but you pay for it .
It would be pretty cool to be able to send your speakers back for proper refurbishing like Atc does!
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Post by Dan on Feb 29, 2024 16:21:41 GMT -6
I respect Dan’s concerns, but the truth is in the listening.I thought the tape op review well considerd. He made it clear that for him they are just tools, he needed to learn them as he was used to his 2 way monitors , then, use, critique his mix and validate, which he also did . I know we will debate gear quality, till the cows come home and that there are peeps here with deep knowledge and expertise and my but is, sure, but it all comes down to the awareness and skill of the engineer. A bad one’s mixes will suck on good gear, a good one, will always make good mixes, on good or not so good gear. But, this is my anecdotal awareness of Barefoots, peeps either talk them up or down: I don’t know , never tried them: still interested in the 3’s. poor tools are poor tools. There are people who produce on hyper resonant JBL 308 that have no midrange like the Dynaudio 15 but crappier. You cannot eq out resonances on very resonant monitors. You cannot really evaluate finished recordings on them. Or raw ones. The bigger the underdamped cabinet, the more resonant it tends to become. Granted there are some smaller speakers that translate because their resonances force you to cut the mud and balance the midrange: LS3/5A bbc monitors, Proac 100, Dynaudio BM6. Also annoying, resonant crossovers (ls35/a, ns10, nht supers) translate better than audible crossover suckouts (most Genelecs ime pre the ones, most 8” woofer two ways) but these are not accurate speakers. |
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Post by Dan on Feb 29, 2024 16:26:19 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see if they get a reputation for narrow or inconsistent sweetspot and or frequency response. Part of learning a monitor is knowing its sweetspot in your room. If people monitor too loud or basically regularly push their monitors hard, there’s a reason to buy Atc, the over engineering and durability, which are good thing, but you pay for it . It would be pretty cool to be able to send your speakers back for proper refurbishing like Atc does! the monitors with the good reputations are speakers whose flaws force you to fix things ensuring translation like NS10s, certain horn loaded speakers, old Proacs, and very accurate speakers like ATC (notice they don’t make big two ways?), Dunlavy/Duntech, and old B&W 801 and 805 |
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Post by ericn on Feb 29, 2024 16:40:30 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see if they get a reputation for narrow or inconsistent sweetspot and or frequency response. Part of learning a monitor is knowing its sweetspot in your room. If people monitor too loud or basically regularly push their monitors hard, there’s a reason to buy Atc, the over engineering and durability, which are good thing, but you pay for it . It would be pretty cool to be able to send your speakers back for proper refurbishing like Atc does! the monitors with the good reputations are speakers whose flaws force you to fix things ensuring translation like NS10s, certain horn loaded speakers, old Proacs, and very accurate speakers like ATC (notice they don’t make big two ways?), Dunlavy/Duntech, and old B&W 801 and 805 Let’s not forget that large early ProAc were basically ATC’s before Billy built monitors, and Dan how could forget the B&W 808! For shame😁 |
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