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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 22:26:54 GMT -6
Don't know why but I have discovered that I am partial to an integrated approach meaning, using a single flavor with the hopes of cohesiveness. Even in times of plenty, I still believe this is my preference both in hardware and software.
I have had a Daking pre (about to double up) and recently picked up a Daking FET III. I have a lot of experience with the Pre and love to forward nature of it. I have only had the comp for a short time and have done some fader up evaluations and a VO. Again, I am impressed. I can't figure out why more isn't said of the comp. Go figure.
Do any of you CAPI folks have any Daking pres? If so, how would you describe the differences? Just curious.
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Post by gouge on Aug 4, 2013 23:16:08 GMT -6
yep, I do.
have vp28 and daking 500. you can put me in the daking nut group as well just based on the pre.
here is my take on the difference between the vp28 and dak500.
the daking 500 has a much faster slew rate. so this translates into more bite which for me absolutely rocks on guitars and sometimes bass. especially fender setups. I love that I can stack numerous daking tracks on top of each other and they all maintain their own space. the daking also has more extension on the bottom end than the vp28. plus it has more air than the vp28. I would say it has slightly less mid forward presence than the vp28. I love the daking on vox and bass guitar and drums and well you get the idea.....
the vp28 on the other hand is fatter through the mids and bottom end when pushed. the daking can't go there, it's too open and hifi sounding. yes the daking will thicken up and smooth out when you use the pad and push it but the vp28 saturates way more than the daking. the vp28 also has more mid forward punch. I absolutely love the vp28 on drums, vox when there is a tube mic involved and bass guitar. it's not my first pick on electric guitars because I record guitars that are already overdriven to hell and back and noise stuff, like with screwdrivers etc. but I digress. the vp28 has more tonal options as well due to the double fader setup.
on mix buss the vp28 is amazing.
both have high pass filters. love them both for that.
I think of it like this with guitars.
clutch - vp28 sonic youth - daking
the setup I am working towards currently is 2 lola's, 2 dakings and 4 vp28's so it's fair to say I like them all very very much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 1:46:18 GMT -6
I'm in the market, sounds like I'd like the Daking more. How about the modern 312 verse Daking?
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Post by gouge on Aug 5, 2013 1:59:00 GMT -6
I used to use an eisen 312v which is a clone of the 312 circuit and uses the ed Andersen input output trannys and the red dot as found in nearly all of the 312 clones.
other than snare and some bass I picked the daking everytime because the 312 just didn't have the bottom end extension that the daking has which to my ears was important. the vp28 is a different story tho. the 312v was sold to fund the vp28 and I am very glad that was done.
realistically you are going to have to listen to them to make a call. they are all exceptional preamps.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 2:02:51 GMT -6
I am a dead on right in the center rimshot hitter. ANYTHING that fucks with that transient is going to bother me.
Having said that the best I ever got was through the Rascal Audio Tonebuss at mixdown and that's a Neve transformer in/out design and the haze I got over it was so good it makes me regret selling it when I hear the mix.
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Post by gouge on Aug 5, 2013 3:03:38 GMT -6
the lola is open pretty fast and has neve input and output transformers. has a very similar bottom end to the daking. I struggle to tell them apart in the lows when I a/b them.
I would suspect though if you are into pop punk then the vp28 will rock your world. it has a fat growl the daking doesn't do. if anything it kills on drums so it's a safe bet for you as you can use it there, plus you can use it to mix through.
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Post by gouge on Aug 5, 2013 3:15:33 GMT -6
vp28
daking guitar/vox. api drums kim sm7+api
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 7:24:28 GMT -6
I LOVE my Daking IV pre's.
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Post by scumbum on Aug 6, 2013 10:23:35 GMT -6
I always wanted to try a Daking pre . Its the only pre that interests me outside CAPI .
Like gouge said , the CAPI has a growl and for punk / hard rock , its perfect .
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Post by Ward on Aug 6, 2013 11:07:56 GMT -6
the lola is open pretty fast and has neve input and output transformers. Really? Since Rupert sold Neve in 1973, it was my understanding that their own transformer production didn't carry on much longer before they switched to Carnhill. There's a little hint of that hereAre you saying the "lola" hs the same transformers AS USED BY Neve, or that they somehow acquired old stock pre 1977 or so when production may have finally wound (pardon the pun) down? I'm just curious, not casting stones or questioning your credibility... I find their history a wee bit bewildering
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Post by svart on Aug 6, 2013 11:18:03 GMT -6
I never really looked at the Daking stuff, but I noticed something strange.. The advertisements clearly state "class A, discrete circuitry" but when looking at the pictures of the Daking 500 card, they use a THAT1646 line driver on the output.. The THAT1646 is NOT class A.. It does look like they have a discrete amp section, which is probably class A in nature though.. I remain unsold..
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Post by gouge on Aug 7, 2013 4:24:35 GMT -6
the lola is open pretty fast and has neve input and output transformers. Really? Since Rupert sold Neve in 1973, it was my understanding that their own transformer production didn't carry on much longer before they switched to Carnhill. There's a little hint of that hereAre you saying the "lola" hs the same transformers AS USED BY Neve, or that they somehow acquired old stock pre 1977 or so when production may have finally wound (pardon the pun) down? I'm just curious, not casting stones or questioning your credibility... I find their history a wee bit bewildering
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Post by gouge on Aug 7, 2013 4:29:32 GMT -6
hmm, dunno what I did wrong to have my text disappear. anyways here is what I wrote.
I guess you technically have a point. but it's being semantic to some degree because the transformers used in the lola are faithfully inline with the neve transformers. even the naming tips it's hat to that. Ed Andersen designed the transformers.
this is the speil
"It also takes advantage of the excellent balance of the EA-10468 input transformer."
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"Faithfully recreated by Ed Anderson, the 1166-500 is a 500 series sized reproduction of the gapped output transformer used in many classic audio circuits as well as the wonderful EQN 1084 designed by Peter Lazaro."
mind you others have also had a go at the neve sound including Jensen who have made transformers that are in that ballpark.
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Post by gouge on Aug 7, 2013 4:34:29 GMT -6
I never really looked at the Daking stuff, but I noticed something strange.. The advertisements clearly state "class A, discrete circuitry" but when looking at the pictures of the Daking 500 card, they use a THAT1646 line driver on the output.. The THAT1646 is NOT class A.. It does look like they have a discrete amp section, which is probably class A in nature though.. I remain unsold.. maybe it's the rack version that's true class A. i'm not sure. Geoff daking has said they sound the same but I think we would all agree this is probably not specifically the case. if I had a want with the 500 series version it would be that there was a transformer on the output. as far as my ears go I think it's a sound that sits very well with me. there is never a point where I listen to the dakings and think there is some shortcoming with the sound quality or functions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 6:37:39 GMT -6
I remember doing a blind preamp shoot out for lead vox a while back before I "developed" my ear. I suppose I mean I was more 'innocent' and unaware of what subtleties to look out for in preamps and had more of an emotional response. We used a U47.
We compared a Daking, V76, V72, Pacifica, Chandler TG2, Api 512.
I distinctly remember being consistently drawn to the Daking for its smooth clarity.
The engineer swayed us to using (his) V76 and I went along with it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 18:50:26 GMT -6
I like the Daking with my darker mic. I don't care for the bright edgy pop sound, especially on vocals.
If I have too slow attack on vocals, it can get essy. But when done right, I really dig the combo for its punchy, present feel
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Post by dubrichie on Aug 8, 2013 17:26:44 GMT -6
Howya,
I have 10 channels of Daking pres, 10 channels of Wunder.
I've found, recently, that preamps have more to do with the player than anything else. What I mean is, with the same mic setup, same guitar/amp, or drums, one sounds better than the other. Bizarre, I know.
Sometimes I track with the Wunder pre/eqs, then mix with the Dakings, or vice-versa.
It's hard to believe, but it's true... thank God I don't have 20 different channels of preamp to choose from!
Both get the job done, if only I had more time to experiment...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 20:26:32 GMT -6
You alude to my present mindset with old school integrated outboard use... Holding to a brand for tracking mixing.
Maybe not completely but the concept intrigues me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 9, 2013 6:39:16 GMT -6
Howya, I have 10 channels of Daking pres, 10 channels of Wunder. I've found, recently, that preamps have more to do with the player than anything else. What I mean is, with the same mic setup, same guitar/amp, or drums, one sounds better than the other. Bizarre, I know. Sometimes I track with the Wunder pre/eqs, then mix with the Dakings, or vice-versa. It's hard to believe, but it's true... thank God I don't have 20 different channels of preamp to choose from! Both get the job done, if only I had more time to experiment... A bit off topic, but how great looking is that Wunderbar console. Man alive it looks cool.
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Post by henge on Aug 9, 2013 6:49:57 GMT -6
You alude to my present mindset with old school integrated outboard use... Holding to a brand for tracking mixing. Maybe not completely but the concept intrigues me. I've been thinking the same thing only because I only have 1 brand of preamp and eq (great river). Today we have the luxury of boutique manufacturers and the 500 series etc. which is amazing. But I know my pre's and eq inside and out and have never been disappointed by any capture they've provided. Soon I'm going to start building some stuff ( thanks to this forum for inspiration ) and then I'll have to decide on having one flavour of pre etc. or to try the different subtleties that different pre's can bring.
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