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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 17, 2024 3:36:47 GMT -6
Thx, interesting, guess the fly in the ointment is the new barefoot 3 way retailing at I think $1995 ? I have never heard barefoot, my impression is people love them or hate them?
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Post by javamad on Feb 17, 2024 5:06:21 GMT -6
I have had the Dyn Lyd 48s with the dial sub for 3 years.
Love them … very honest and lots of detail.
My room isnt flat but I am used to it now
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Post by noob on Feb 17, 2024 10:03:12 GMT -6
Thx, interesting, guess the fly in the ointment is the new barefoot 3 way retailing at I think $1995 ? I have never heard barefoot, my impression is people love them or hate them? The 03's are a very different design than the 01 and 02's though. In terms of a classic 3-way, I think it's a much much better design for mix translation purposes, this design will have more midrange clarity imo. I'm interested in hearing them. Haven't seen many reviews yet.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 17, 2024 10:35:41 GMT -6
Me neither, none actually.
They state that bass transients were not negatively affected by the introduction of the port.
With both mid and bass speaker utilizing aluminum, am curious how clean and natural they sound?
Certainly, seem , on paper, like good value at their price point.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 17, 2024 11:43:01 GMT -6
Depends how much they're going for I guess? They are good monitors for sure but they've been on the market a good while and new competitors seem to pop up. What about the Kali IN-8 V2? Can't beat a decent coaxial design IMO, years ago I tried some Fluid FX8's (put them up against the LYD 48's and some Geithain's) suprisingly they were actually good with a few caveats like self noise, small sweetspot, a bit untidy in the LMF. Seems like the original Kali suffered from a few of the same issues, however if Kali have improved the design then it could be worth a demo. On a side note shortly after I bought the Dyn 59's the Mesanovic CDM65 came out.. Urrf, I really wanted to try these as well . I might sell my Dyn's, put them up for like £3.2K / $4K USD and see if anyone bites. Certainly not in a rush to get rid and I don't care if anyone buys them but it does give me a few options if they go. Oh wow. Had no idea about the Mesanovic monitors. They look really interesting.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 17, 2024 16:19:54 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 18, 2024 12:47:27 GMT -6
Went out to store to demo the 48s vs the lyd 5, I know two very different monitors, same tweeters i think though ?.
I had forgotten how balanced the 48 sound, everything set flat and free, the 5 did not fair well.
So, spent most of time listening to 48s, while they sounded really good, the cabinets were more beat up then I would have liked.
They offered to discount them further, but tomorrow’s a holiday here so I’ll just think about it.
The 48s and the Bettermaker limiter are pretty well the same money, but even one is a stretch right now.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 18, 2024 23:26:56 GMT -6
Went out to store to demo the 48s vs the lyd 5, I know two very different monitors, same tweeters i think though ?. I had forgotten how balanced the 48 sound, everything set flat and free, the 5 did not fair well. So, spent most of time listening to 48s, while they sounded really good, the cabinets were more beat up then I would have liked. They offered to discount them further, but tomorrow’s a holiday here so I’ll just think about it. The 48s and the Bettermaker limiter are pretty well the same money, but even one is a stretch right now. Monitors is pretty freaking important.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2024 0:46:11 GMT -6
I have an engineering friend that went dynaudio core sevens and couldn’t stop talking about how awesome they were. And it made me rethink my monitors. I’m currently using Genelec 1030a’s , and several other monitors in between, including focal twins. Just can’t seem to find the right monitor for me. Currently using Adams a77X, I have a pretty good sized good sounding control room, and it’s very tight, as in very controlled. Still monitor searching, Bearfoot, I really wanted to like these, ugh, I think I need an analog console and tape to be happy with these. Moved on to JBL and very happy with these, however the Dynaudio Cores are haunting me! More info please! Is it possible my monitor of choice is Dynaudio all these years! I remember another session that I worked with Tim Pierce several years ago with a 48 channel Rembrandt Amek console with Bm15’s. Sounded great! The endless search for happiness is real!!! Spent several years in Nashville in different studios and rooms of all different sizes, and sessions. Ready to figure out what’s good for my rooms as I am picking up more work than I ever had with singer/songwriters. Need the right monitor for me! The endless search is real!!! And I’m not deaf, but feel I’m splitting hairs!!! TBH I could probably mix on any monitor after going through several monitors over the years in 4 different rooms. 🤷🏼. I was co-engineering a session at Fly by West Studios with a Carl Tatz room on with the Phantom Focus system with the subwoofers in the walls, with Dynaudio Bm6aMk1’s. Just a killer room and just sounded right! I’ve been focused on chasing that special sauce I heard in that room, it really makes a difference when you can hear what different preamps impart on a source! Keith Urban’s drummer was in that session, it was a cool gig! I’ve been working on my rooms like crazy lately, but I’m in search of a monitor that does it for me! I really like my PMC’s. I need a bigger set though. Getting ready to throw down the cash for some Dyn’s! Dammit Shadow, your not helping me! 😆
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 19, 2024 4:06:03 GMT -6
Went out to store to demo the 48s vs the lyd 5, I know two very different monitors, same tweeters i think though ?. I had forgotten how balanced the 48 sound, everything set flat and free, the 5 did not fair well. So, spent most of time listening to 48s, while they sounded really good, the cabinets were more beat up then I would have liked. They offered to discount them further, but tomorrow’s a holiday here so I’ll just think about it. The 48s and the Bettermaker limiter are pretty well the same money, but even one is a stretch right now. Monitors is pretty freaking important. Yes, to a point. I have gotten used to having no monitors. We all calibrate to what we listen to. My main interest in monitors now is for soundstage and as I have had many good monitors in the last, but not 3 way, thinking about what they bring to the table. I was impressed with their understated balance, clarity of mids and smooth but clear top. I know I prefer closed not ported monitors and yesterday the clarity in the bass/kick could have been better, but the sound source was compressed YouTube music, so I won’t hold that against the dyns. My real concern is given the exterior quality of the enclosures, I don’t have the impression these were well cared for although they sound good. If you Google repairing dyn48’s all the speakers are expensive ti replace. I think they paid too much for them on trade in. I’ll see if they have any more price flexibility and or will extend the included warranty. Currently, total price for the 6 year old 48’s is within $500 cdn of the new Barefoot 3, newer design and full warranty. Gives one pause.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 19, 2024 4:13:43 GMT -6
@guit if Shadowk is serious about those new monitors, although there’d be the shipping cost, no harm chatting about his Core? What didn’t you like about the Barefoot (1-2?) , my sense is peeps, lov or hate em!
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 19, 2024 6:14:28 GMT -6
I have an engineering friend that went dynaudio core sevens and couldn’t stop talking about how awesome they were. And it made me rethink my monitors. I’m currently using Genelec 1030a’s , and several other monitors in between, including focal twins. Just can’t seem to find the right monitor for me. Currently using Adams a77X, I have a pretty good sized good sounding control room, and it’s very tight, as in very controlled. Still monitor searching, Bearfoot, I really wanted to like these, ugh, I think I need an analog console and tape to be happy with these. Moved on to JBL and very happy with these, however the Dynaudio Cores are haunting me! More info please! Is it possible my monitor of choice is Dynaudio all these years! I remember another session that I worked with Tim Pierce several years ago with a 48 channel Rembrandt Amek console with Bm15’s. Sounded great! Getting ready to throw down the cash for some Dyn’s! Dammit Shadow, your not helping me! 😆 Oh, I'm always here to help.. *Cough spend your money.
In my limited experience of Dyn (LYD + Core's) there's always two out of the series that just nail it, the rest are a bit hmm.. From the reviews I've read, most believe the 7's and 59's are the pick of the core series and I'd agree. As for the rest, A77X's aren't really on the same level as the 59's (sorry) even compared to the LYD-48's I found them a bit muddy TBH.
IMV the major advantage of the 59's over the LYD's or 7's is you can be pretty bone idle lazy. There's tells for just about everything, if your room shakes it's going to fart on a laptop speaker or iphone, if everything doesn't stay coaxial style mega wide you've got phase issues. If the utterly creepy phantom center sounds anything less than there's clashing frequencies etc. and because these are essentially accurate hi-fi speakers on mega roids like a lot of (stupidly expensive, OTT) mastering speakers you don't really have to check on other sources. That's IMO primarily because they don't sound weird or wildly different compared to consumer speakers (like one or two sealed designs, blehh).
The only thing I have to warn is despite their DSP correction these are an utter ass to setup and sound horrible when they're not (far more tetchy than the LYD's), they are IMO as bad if not worse than ATC. However some models have ways to correct this, for a start someone told me that the woofers need to be on the inside? Or outside, one of the two so I asked Dynaudio and that's wrong, wrong, wrong. Especially with the 59's as they have a rotating baffle, in Dyn's demo booths they had the woofer at the ceiling side?! The only configuration that's incorrect is the one that doen't work for your room. REW, ARC, Soundworks and the modifiying the DSP switches is crucial to get these sounding right.
Once setup though I stopped using room correction, they're absolutely fine. It's getting to that stage which can be interesting.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2024 6:52:51 GMT -6
@guit if Shadowk is serious about those new monitors, although there’d be the shipping cost, no harm chatting about his Core? What didn’t you like about the Barefoot (1-2?) , my sense is peeps, lov or hate em! I liked the barefoots when using an analog console and tape, but when I used them in a hybrid daw/different room, just didn’t like them. I guess I needed more time with them. I liked the BM-15’s, but that was so long ago I just remember liking them and a lot has changed since then, and there is so much to choose from.
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 19, 2024 6:57:33 GMT -6
@guit if Shadowk is serious about those new monitors, although there’d be the shipping cost, no harm chatting about his Core? Nowaday's shipping would cost about the same as the speakers themselves, this would have to be a UK only sale.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2024 7:08:01 GMT -6
I have an engineering friend that went dynaudio core sevens and couldn’t stop talking about how awesome they were. And it made me rethink my monitors. I’m currently using Genelec 1030a’s , and several other monitors in between, including focal twins. Just can’t seem to find the right monitor for me. Currently using Adams a77X, I have a pretty good sized good sounding control room, and it’s very tight, as in very controlled. Still monitor searching, Bearfoot, I really wanted to like these, ugh, I think I need an analog console and tape to be happy with these. Moved on to JBL and very happy with these, however the Dynaudio Cores are haunting me! More info please! Is it possible my monitor of choice is Dynaudio all these years! I remember another session that I worked with Tim Pierce several years ago with a 48 channel Rembrandt Amek console with Bm15’s. Sounded great! Getting ready to throw down the cash for some Dyn’s! Dammit Shadow, your not helping me! 😆 Oh, I'm always here to help.. *Cough spend your money.
In my limited experience of Dyn (LYD + Core's) there's always two out of the series that just nail it, the rest are a bit hmm.. From the reviews I've read, most believe the 7's and 59's are the pick of the core series and I'd agree. As for the rest, A77X's aren't really on the same level as the 59's (sorry) even compared to the LYD-48's I found them a bit muddy TBH.
IMV the major advantage of the 59's over the LYD's or 7's is you can be pretty bone idle lazy. There's tells for just about everything, if your room shakes it's going to fart on a laptop speaker or iphone, if everything doesn't stay coaxial style mega wide you've got phase issues. If the utterly creepy phantom center sounds anything less than there's clashing frequencies etc. and because these are essentially accurate hi-fi speakers on mega roids like a lot of (stupidly expensive, OTT) mastering speakers you don't really have to check on other sources. That's IMO primarily because they don't sound weird or wildly different compared to consumer speakers (like one or two sealed designs, blehh).
The only thing I have to warn is despite their DSP correction these are an utter ass to setup and sound horrible when they're not (far more tetchy than the LYD's), they are IMO as bad if not worse than ATC. However some models have ways to correct this, for a start someone told me that the woofers need to be on the inside? Or outside, one of the two so I asked Dynaudio and that's wrong, wrong, wrong. Especially with the 59's as they have a rotating baffle, in Dyn's demo booths they had the woofer at the ceiling side?! The only configuration that's incorrect is the one that doen't work for your room. REW, ARC, Soundworks and the modifiying the DSP switches is crucial to get these sounding right.
Once setup though I stopped using room correction, they're absolutely fine. It's getting to that stage which can be interesting.
My room sounds pretty good. Even my 1030a’s sound really good and they are fine with a solid center. They are very old(bought in 93)and my a77’s took a dump, my left speaker has a low 50hz hum in it and the led goes dim after about 15 minutes after I turn the left one on and it’s annoying. I pulled the JBL’s LSR’s out of the closet and they sound pretty good because I have done a lot to my room since they’ve been up on the desk last(several years ago). I can do good work on all of them, but the dream of getting something new and a bit more higher end has been in the works for a few years now. Focused on renovating a few rooms instead of gear. Dyn’s are on my list, but to clarify, those Adams sound great in my room and I was surprised how much I liked them, and that’s why they are still in my desk. I have the smaller 6” two way PMC’s and they sound really good, but need a sub with them. I forgot the model, but they were not cheap and I sprung for them because they were blowing them out for half off. I ended up putting them in my stereo listening room and I like them much better hooked up to my stereo with a definitive supercube sub. They really sound good that way, but as a mixing monitor I need a different amp as they are passive. I was looking at the PMC amps that attach to the back of them, but they are very hard to find. I was also told to get a Bryson 4b amp for them. They are finicky monitors because the amp really makes a difference, and the two different amps I had on them just didn’t do it for me. I’ve been looking at the Dyn Core’s and also the new Iloud’s by IKmultimedia. I guess the Iloud’s are getting killer reviews. I’ve had several monitors in this room over the years and never really hated any monitor, even my Mackie HR824’s sounded decent in my room, and was ok, but due to my increased work, I’m kind of focused on my next piece of gear, and my monitors are my next upgrade. Are you fond of your Core 59’s? I have read several posts on your Dyn’s and with my engineering buddy that has the core 7’s, she just talked about them like she was so happy that she found the perfect monitor for her. She is very experienced and has been in studio work for several decades and I trust her ears, but I’m not about to demo everything on the planet to figure which direction I’m going. The Iloud’s Precisions have a killer sale going on right now. I might go that route. I’ve had Focal twins in my room and didn’t really care for them, they weren’t that bad either, but things got weird in the mid bass, and it wasn’t my room because my other monitors didn’t have that issue. In fact my Adams blew the Focal’s away in my same room. and I took them to another really nice studio with super nice rooms and I still liked the Adams better, and so did the engineers there in their space. In fact, they sold their Focal’s and got the Adams after we shot them out that day! 😆 I much preferred them in my room. That was one of those hmmm moments. Everything I was doing just sounded better to me with the Adam’s. Some say their hyped, but tbh I think I’m very happy with my broken Adam monitors right now and thought about stepping up into the 4 way Adams to the H series.😆 I tried using Sonorworks and hated it. I mixed with it and without it, and my mixes were much better without it. That was another hmm moment.
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Post by noob on Feb 19, 2024 8:03:17 GMT -6
Went out to store to demo the 48s vs the lyd 5, I know two very different monitors, same tweeters i think though ?. I had forgotten how balanced the 48 sound, everything set flat and free, the 5 did not fair well. So, spent most of time listening to 48s, while they sounded really good, the cabinets were more beat up then I would have liked. They offered to discount them further, but tomorrow’s a holiday here so I’ll just think about it. The 48s and the Bettermaker limiter are pretty well the same money, but even one is a stretch right now. Monitors is pretty freaking important. I literally could not go a day without having a pair of monitors. It just wouldn't happen
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 19, 2024 8:12:47 GMT -6
Ya, but that’s your police oversight, what about recording ?
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Post by drumsound on Feb 19, 2024 8:53:02 GMT -6
Monitors is pretty freaking important. Yes, to a point. I have gotten used to having no monitors. We all calibrate to what we listen to. My main interest in monitors now is for soundstage and as I have had many good monitors in the last, but not 3 way, thinking about what they bring to the table. I was impressed with their understated balance, clarity of mids and smooth but clear top. I know I prefer closed not ported monitors and yesterday the clarity in the bass/kick could have been better, but the sound source was compressed YouTube music, so I won’t hold that against the dyns. My real concern is given the exterior quality of the enclosures, I don’t have the impression these were well cared for although they sound good. If you Google repairing dyn48’s all the speakers are expensive ti replace. I think they paid too much for them on trade in. I’ll see if they have any more price flexibility and or will extend the included warranty. Currently, total price for the 6 year old 48’s is within $500 cdn of the new Barefoot 3, newer design and full warranty. Gives one pause. Those are all pretty important factors. The 3-way thing is a big deal to me. When I started my quest a couple years ago, that was a must. I had been in a couple situations that really became lightbulb moments. I wish I'd gotten 3-ways YEARS ago. Mine are a sealed woofer and dipole mid and tweeter. I'm with you on a sealed thing, too. Monitors is pretty freaking important. I literally could not go a day without having a pair of monitors. It just wouldn't happen I haven't mixed on headphones since my 4-track cassette days.
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Post by guitfiddler on Feb 19, 2024 9:04:21 GMT -6
Yes, to a point. I have gotten used to having no monitors. We all calibrate to what we listen to. My main interest in monitors now is for soundstage and as I have had many good monitors in the last, but not 3 way, thinking about what they bring to the table. I was impressed with their understated balance, clarity of mids and smooth but clear top. I know I prefer closed not ported monitors and yesterday the clarity in the bass/kick could have been better, but the sound source was compressed YouTube music, so I won’t hold that against the dyns. My real concern is given the exterior quality of the enclosures, I don’t have the impression these were well cared for although they sound good. If you Google repairing dyn48’s all the speakers are expensive ti replace. I think they paid too much for them on trade in. I’ll see if they have any more price flexibility and or will extend the included warranty. Currently, total price for the 6 year old 48’s is within $500 cdn of the new Barefoot 3, newer design and full warranty. Gives one pause. Those are all pretty important factors. The 3-way thing is a big deal to me. When I started my quest a couple years ago, that was a must. I had been in a couple situations that really became lightbulb moments. I wish I'd gotten 3-ways YEARS ago. Mine are a sealed woofer and dipole mid and tweeter. I'm with you on a sealed thing, too. I literally could not go a day without having a pair of monitors. It just wouldn't happen I haven't mixed on headphones since my 4-track cassette days. drumsound, I take it you have the Dynaudio 3 ways? Which ones? I thought I read somewhere you have the Lyd48’s? I don’t have time to research the forum at this time.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 19, 2024 9:16:35 GMT -6
Lyd aren’t sealed; rear ported. I think he had monitors made by a friend .
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 19, 2024 9:29:05 GMT -6
Are you fond of your Core 59’s? I have read several posts on your Dyn’s and with my engineering buddy that has the core 7’s, she just talked about them like she was so happy that she found the perfect monitor for her. She is very experienced and has been in studio work for several decades and I trust her ears, but I’m not about to demo everything on the planet to figure which direction I’m going. I've been through a lot of monitors and we're fortunate here, with a good purchase history you can essentially demo whatever you want for a couple of weeks. If I rung up KMR tomorrow and said I want to try some $15K ATC's it's no bother. In fact I've done it before, nearly bought the demo set for the same list cost as some SCM 25's.
Out of all of them I still rate the Core 59's highly and I'm not the only audio nut to say this but usually you're either in one camp or the other. In terms of performance the SCM100's & Core 59's are again well OTT, however I actually like just listening to music on monitors. When it comes to compressors or audio interfaces I buy them begrudingly, it's a tool to solve an issue more than a want but with monitors I just appreciate the sonic excellence of them. That's where these sort of monitors shine brightly, I can mix on all sorts of crap but it's not something I enjoy and for me I'd happily pay the extra. I also like innovation and that's where the Mesanovic monitors piqued my interest.
Do I need them? Not in the slightest, will I buy them? Most likely.
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Post by keymod on Feb 19, 2024 14:04:13 GMT -6
I would like to buy a pair of Lyd48s to replace my JBL LSRs & sub, but only if the JBLs sell first. We have JBL 4315s in the soffit, and they sound great, especially for playback. I think the Lyds would be more accurate for mixing though.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 20, 2024 8:57:39 GMT -6
Those are all pretty important factors. The 3-way thing is a big deal to me. When I started my quest a couple years ago, that was a must. I had been in a couple situations that really became lightbulb moments. I wish I'd gotten 3-ways YEARS ago. Mine are a sealed woofer and dipole mid and tweeter. I'm with you on a sealed thing, too. I haven't mixed on headphones since my 4-track cassette days. drumsound , I take it you have the Dynaudio 3 ways? Which ones? I thought I read somewhere you have the Lyd48’s? I don’t have time to research the forum at this time. I ended up with a 'csutom' set made locally that are a sealed 8" and dipole 8" ribbon midrange and 2" ribbon tweeter. Triamped and DSP controlled. The builder told me his has a new slightly larger version, and I'd be happy to hook you up with him. He make amazing stuff! Lyd aren’t sealed; rear ported. I think he had monitors made by a friend . Correct. Though the Lyds and Neumann 310 were on my radar.
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 20, 2024 12:55:54 GMT -6
Not Happy with your core 59s? I love mine! Nah, as I said.. I think they're some of the best monitors I've heard period. doesn't mean I can't covet thou neighbor's Mesanovic, although isn't that against the forum rules?
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 20, 2024 13:41:04 GMT -6
Not Happy with your core 59s? I love mine! Nah, as I said.. I think they're some of the best monitors I've heard period. doesn't mean I can't covet thou neighbor's Mesanovic, although isn't that against the forum rules? Yeah, haha my bad. As I read through the thread more I saw some more posts about them by you. Cheers!
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