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Post by Quint on Feb 13, 2024 17:26:50 GMT -6
I wonder how far back they go on iOS support. I’ve got an old iPad doing jack shit in my studio closet. Used to use it for the Slate version of this. Not sure. I've never looked into it.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 13, 2024 17:34:17 GMT -6
The Cubase pack is brilliant - it has like pre made macros - so I can launch a VI or plugin from a single touch.
I'm not sure if the Pro Tools pack has the same functionality.
But I can say, Sideshows customer service is excellent and I got a reply to a couple of technical questions really quickly! So perhaps they can advise you John as to the best pack they have for Pro Tools.
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Post by Quint on Feb 13, 2024 18:00:45 GMT -6
The Cubase pack is brilliant - it has like pre made macros - so I can launch a VI or plugin from a single touch. I'm not sure if the Pro Tools pack has the same functionality. But I can say, Sideshows customer service is excellent and I got a reply to a couple of technical questions really quickly! So perhaps they can advise you John as to the best pack they have for Pro Tools. I haven't used any of the Sideshow packs. Am I assuming correctly that Cubase must have given Sideshow more direct access to the underlying Cubase API code for this to work? It would be the most robust way to do this sort of thing. Absent that, there are plenty of other ways to skin that cat with the sort of macros available in KM. By the way, I am similarly using Keyboard Maestro to be able to launch a VI or a plugin from a single touch.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 13, 2024 18:04:21 GMT -6
That could push me into using Cubase to mix…especially when I start adding some Hw pieces in…so I don’t have to deal with PTjr’s HW delay comp.
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Post by Quint on Feb 13, 2024 18:09:11 GMT -6
That could push me into using Cubase to mix…especially when I start adding some Hw pieces in…so I don’t have to deal with PTjr’s HW delay comp. I'd be curious to see what all the Cubase Sideshow app can do. That said, I'll be done with my Luna profiles here pretty soon. You might like what it can do in Luna.
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Post by Quint on Feb 13, 2024 18:16:21 GMT -6
I just watched an installation video for Cubase Sideshow. I see that the underlying framework they are using for Mackie MCU control is the Trevliga Spel Midi plugin. Man, I hope they are paying him for that. Granted, his plugin is free (donation ware), but he's put in a lot of work that they are piggy backing off of.
I was kind of aware of Sideshow, but I never really looked into it in depth until today. Watching a few videos, it does seem pretty similar to what KM does. In other words, it doesn't seem like it has access to the underlying API. It seems like it's working on top of Cubase, not within Cubase, which is the same thing that KM does.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 13, 2024 18:29:50 GMT -6
That could push me into using Cubase to mix…especially when I start adding some Hw pieces in…so I don’t have to deal with PTjr’s HW delay comp. I'd be curious to see what all the Cubase Sideshow app can do. That said, I'll be done with my Luna profiles here pretty soon. You might like what it can do in Luna. Luna is still slower for me than PTs...well, I'm slower in everything than PTs. That's really been the reason I can't quit her...
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Post by Quint on Feb 13, 2024 19:14:03 GMT -6
I'd be curious to see what all the Cubase Sideshow app can do. That said, I'll be done with my Luna profiles here pretty soon. You might like what it can do in Luna. Luna is still slower for me than PTs...well, I'm slower in everything than PTs. That's really been the reason I can't quit her... Yeah, fair enough. Though the point of Stream Deck is to kind of be an equalizer, when it comes to being faster in one DAW than another. In other words, you just create the shortcut or macro once, and then you don't really have to know or remember anything. You just push the pretty buttons (with titles/pics that actually make sense to you), and fun things start to happen. At that point, most DAWs are on a more even playing field. I hate memorizing stuff. That was actually part of the draw of Stream Deck. I've never been good about memorizing shortcuts, so I just said fuck it, now I don't have to. I'll just program it into the buttons, and then I never have to think about it again. Every single shortcut that exists in Pro Tools can be assigned to a button. Also a common task to create a macro for is cross fades, for example.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 14, 2024 1:21:12 GMT -6
I just watched an installation video for Cubase Sideshow. I see that the underlying framework they are using for Mackie MCU control is the Trevliga Spel Midi plugin. Man, I hope they are paying him for that. Granted, his plugin is free (donation ware), but he's put in a lot of work that they are piggy backing off of. I was kind of aware of Sideshow, but I never really looked into it in depth until today. Watching a few videos, it does seem pretty similar to what KM does. In other words, it doesn't seem like it has access to the underlying API. It seems like it's working on top of Cubase, not within Cubase, which is the same thing that KM does. They’re making the most of the MIDI Remote Manager layer Cubase now has - I mean that alone puts Cubase ahead of the pack imho. Literally anything with MIDI becomes a way of controlling Cubase. sideshowfx have taken it a stage further with some complex macro programming beyond a thing I could do personally.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 14, 2024 1:25:27 GMT -6
That could push me into using Cubase to mix…especially when I start adding some Hw pieces in…so I don’t have to deal with PTjr’s HW delay comp. Yeah, the way Cubase handles HW inserts is very smooth and swish, perfect in fact. Just remember - turn off auto save! Get in the habit of your fingers hitting ctrl + S every time you make a move you want to keep. It’s a reflex I have now, happens without thought. I’m in control of what I’m saving and when. If I don’t want the last bit of work I just hit project recall and reload the project and boom I’m back again. The info history is also very extensive for the arrange page and the mixer. I just hate “auto” save.
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Post by Quint on Feb 14, 2024 7:19:01 GMT -6
I just watched an installation video for Cubase Sideshow. I see that the underlying framework they are using for Mackie MCU control is the Trevliga Spel Midi plugin. Man, I hope they are paying him for that. Granted, his plugin is free (donation ware), but he's put in a lot of work that they are piggy backing off of. I was kind of aware of Sideshow, but I never really looked into it in depth until today. Watching a few videos, it does seem pretty similar to what KM does. In other words, it doesn't seem like it has access to the underlying API. It seems like it's working on top of Cubase, not within Cubase, which is the same thing that KM does. They’re making the most of the MIDI Remote Manager layer Cubase now has - I mean that alone puts Cubase ahead of the pack imho. Literally anything with MIDI becomes a way of controlling Cubase. sideshowfx have taken it a stage further with some complex macro programming beyond a thing I could do personally. I get that Cubase has the MIDI Remote Manager. I haven't used it, but it sounds like something that I would find myself wishing that other DAWs had as well. I know that the lack of MIDI control in Luna is an area where it is lacking. However, there's more than one way to skin this cat, so MIDI isn't the only option here. But the point I was making was not about Cubase (or any other specific DAW), but about Sideshow. Having not ever read much about Sideshow, when I decided to read more about them yesterday, I came into it thinking they maybe had gotten access to the underlying API for those four DAWs that they sell packs for. But after reading more about it, they're just cobbling various things together (macros, keystrokes, shortcuts, MIDI, UI control, Trevliga's plugin, etc.), no different than anyone else could do. That's why I mentioned the plugins from Trevliga. I've been using those exact same MIDI plugins from Trevliga for months, as part of the Stream Deck profiles I've been working on. So I was rather surprised when I saw that Sideshow was using those same exact plugins. That's why I mentioned that I hoped Sideshow was paying Trevliga for use of those plugins, as he is the one who put in the actual work designing those plugins, and they appear to be a big part of the functionality in Sideshow for Cubase. The same could be said for use of macros. When I watched the Cubase/Sideshow demo video, I noticed menu windows quickly popping up in succession. That's a macro thing, and not an API thing, no different than what Keyboard Maestro does. In other words, Sideshow isn't a built from scratch sort of custom from the ground up kind of product. It's pieced together from other elements that already mostly existed. I'm not sure what framework Sideshow is using for the macro portion, and that may be the most "custom" part of what they're doing. But Keyboard Maestro does the exact same thing with its macro framework. So there's not any real difference here. If you go and read about Soundflow or Metagrid (Metagrid is more of a DIY thing), they similarly cobble various elements together to make it all work. It all comes down to what the various DAWs do or don't make available for third parties to access, to do stuff like this. As many DAWs aren't inherently open access in a way that is readily available to third parties, via the API, you have to get creative with finding ways to make the DAW do things anyway. That's where all of the various cobbled together elements come into play. You manipulate the DAW any way that you can, with whatever control elements you have available to you (macros, keystrokes, shortcuts, MIDI, UI control, Trevliga's plugin, etc.). To be clear, I'm not at all saying that there is anything wrong with cobbling things together. It's what everybody is doing, whether it's a company with a commercial product like Sideshow or Soundflow or whether it's someone like me putting something together on their own. All of the elements are out there and readily available for anybody to do this. It's not anything particularly special. It just takes some effort to figure out how to make it work and to then piece it all together.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 14, 2024 11:49:39 GMT -6
That could push me into using Cubase to mix…especially when I start adding some Hw pieces in…so I don’t have to deal with PTjr’s HW delay comp. Yeah, the way Cubase handles HW inserts is very smooth and swish, perfect in fact. Just remember - turn off auto save! Get in the habit of your fingers hitting ctrl + S every time you make a move you want to keep. It’s a reflex I have now, happens without thought. I’m in control of what I’m saving and when. If I don’t want the last bit of work I just hit project recall and reload the project and boom I’m back again. The info history is also very extensive for the arrange page and the mixer. I just hate “auto” save. Not sure turning off auto backups is the right move here...
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