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Post by chessparov on Feb 9, 2024 10:26:00 GMT -6
Thought that now since Saturation Plugs* seem to be more generally respected... A discussion thread might be cool. Looking forward to your further thoughts, "beyond the Sesrch Function". LOL! Chris *No Hardware was harmed in the making of this Thread. (Primarily because my Studio Friends don't allow to touch any! )
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Post by mcirish on Feb 9, 2024 11:33:09 GMT -6
Lately, for drum rooms, I've been liking BSA Escalate. Couldn't be any simpler to use and I like what it does to room mics. I also have used it lightly on overheads. Softube Tape is on every drum track. It's pretty subtle but shaves off the nasty transients slightly.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 9, 2024 11:46:06 GMT -6
FWIW I decided to start with the Freebies first. Primarily to help "develop my ear" for this stuff. Before shelling out $$. Expecting to stay on the more Vintage/Thicker side of the vocal fence. Sometimes dowsing entire Mixes. Chris
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Post by crillemannen on Feb 9, 2024 12:16:51 GMT -6
Shameful push, I have to mention my own company Klanghabitat 😁. We have two plugins, Cassiopeia and Lyra_mb. We also have 500-series hardware if anyone is interested. The thing is that we starve the tube aka limit the headroom of the tube which makes the saturation allot more subtle with a wide sweetspot. Sounds good on everything, drums, vocals and guitars. A different approach and we've gotten great feedback from our customers. www.klanghabitat.com/
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 9, 2024 13:16:09 GMT -6
The ones I use the most(that aren't compressors but straight up saturation devices)
Tupe 3 Destructor LTLO Silver Bullet Inflator BB Tube JJ Tape
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Post by spud on Feb 9, 2024 13:51:37 GMT -6
Lately, for drum rooms, I've been liking BSA Escalate. Couldn't be any simpler to use and I like what it does to room mics. I also have used it lightly on overheads. Softube Tape is on every drum track. It's pretty subtle but shaves off the nasty transients slightly. To tame the transients I find that the VoosteQ Model N does a good job and the price is really low. Shameful push, I have to mention my own company Klanghabitat 😁. We have two plugins, Cassiopeia and Lyra_mb. We also have 500-series hardware if anyone is interested. The thing is that we starve the tube aka limit the headroom of the tube which makes the saturation allot more subtle with a wide sweetspot. Sounds good on everything, drums, vocals and guitars. A different approach and we've gotten great feedback from our customers. www.klanghabitat.com/I have Lyra_MB but I often tend to forget it... What source do you use it on? And for what purpose?
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Post by theshea on Feb 9, 2024 13:59:13 GMT -6
softube tape softens transients very well. i like the free saturation knob as well. its sometimes on bass guitars and on the drum parallel bus. also some saturation/distortion from klanghelm sddr mixed in goes on most of my mixes.
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Post by spud on Feb 9, 2024 14:38:16 GMT -6
softube tape softens transients very well. i like the free saturation knob as well. its sometimes on bass guitars and on the drum parallel bus. also some saturation/distortion from klanghelm sddr mixed in goes on most of my mixes. I also use Saturation Knob in parallel on the drums, I find that it works really well. On the other hand, it aliases a lot so should be avoided on many sources.
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Post by crillemannen on Feb 9, 2024 14:53:00 GMT -6
Lately, for drum rooms, I've been liking BSA Escalate. Couldn't be any simpler to use and I like what it does to room mics. I also have used it lightly on overheads. Softube Tape is on every drum track. It's pretty subtle but shaves off the nasty transients slightly. To tame the transients I find that the VoosteQ Model N does a good job and the price is really low. Shameful push, I have to mention my own company Klanghabitat 😁. We have two plugins, Cassiopeia and Lyra_mb. We also have 500-series hardware if anyone is interested. The thing is that we starve the tube aka limit the headroom of the tube which makes the saturation allot more subtle with a wide sweetspot. Sounds good on everything, drums, vocals and guitars. A different approach and we've gotten great feedback from our customers. www.klanghabitat.com/I have Lyra_MB but I often tend to forget it... What source do you use it on? And for what purpose? Thanks for the support! Well I kind of use it everywhere ! It just makes everything sound better in a very subtle way (if you dont abuse it heh) A slight push in the midrange on the master bus usually gives the mix a nice sheen and push. Lowmids on electric guitar is also nice. Otherwise I really like the ease of use that Cassiopeia brings.
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Post by robo on Feb 9, 2024 14:59:43 GMT -6
I can vouch for Cassiopeia. It’s particularly good on percussive stuff. Kelvin is solid. Mixwave’s Coil plugin is fussy but sounds very good. Flywheel and Satin are my go-to’s for “tape”.
For free, Fuse’s V72 plugin is great. Also Airwindows has a bunch of good saturators - I use Focus on every mix.
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Post by kristoferharris on Feb 9, 2024 15:13:23 GMT -6
Most used: Blackbox HG-2MS Softube Tape Neold BIG AL
Awesome Freebies: Fuse Audio VPRE-72 Aberrant Lofi Oddity
Shoutout ($$$): U-he Satin Tone Projects Kelvin Softube Overstayer MAS Schwabe Gold Clip
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Post by spud on Feb 9, 2024 15:41:27 GMT -6
To tame the transients I find that the VoosteQ Model N does a good job and the price is really low. I have Lyra_MB but I often tend to forget it... What source do you use it on? And for what purpose? Thanks for the support! Well I kind of use it everywhere ! It just makes everything sound better in a very subtle way (if you dont abuse it heh) A slight push in the midrange on the master bus usually gives the mix a nice sheen and push. Lowmids on electric guitar is also nice. Otherwise I really like the ease of use that Cassiopeia brings. Thank you for your answer, it's true that the little I used it each time I put something in it was better. I'll try to use it a little more. I know this is not the subject here but are you planning any updates? I find that it is missing some small functions such as a preset manager and a way to link parameters (notably saturation and intensity). The addition of linear phase filters could also be interesting, including the anti aliasing filter. And you're welcome for the support, you do a great job
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Post by crillemannen on Feb 9, 2024 15:59:08 GMT -6
Thanks for the support! Well I kind of use it everywhere ! It just makes everything sound better in a very subtle way (if you dont abuse it heh) A slight push in the midrange on the master bus usually gives the mix a nice sheen and push. Lowmids on electric guitar is also nice. Otherwise I really like the ease of use that Cassiopeia brings. Thank you for your answer, it's true that the little I used it each time I put something in it was better. I'll try to use it a little more. I know this is not the subject here but are you planning any updates? I find that it is missing some small functions such as a preset manager and a way to link parameters (notably saturation and intensity). The addition of linear phase filters could also be interesting, including the anti aliasing filter. And you're welcome for the support, you do a great job Yeah, we're working on updates as we speak. Linkable saturation and intensity could probably be implemented, we just haven't thought about it. Preset manager also doable but not in the plan at the moment, but I'll take notes because we really appreciate the feedback. Aliasing should be pretty much non existent at X2 oversampling and definitely not audible at X4 so from what I understood it's not needed. Linear phase mode kind of goes against our philosophy. Since it's based on our hardware we didn't want to make Lyra_mb to complicated. Sure plugins like Saturn has its place but we wanted Lyra_mb to be very easy to use and not to much options.
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Post by viciousbliss on Feb 9, 2024 16:11:22 GMT -6
Lately I've been liking to use the UAD Culture Vulture in parallel at the top of my sub-mixes along with Satin in Studer mode followed by Satin in Type A. And I've got Softube Trident A-range before Satin for the filters and the saturation. Eqs with less saturation can't play that role. If the UAD Harrison has saturation, guess we can count that too. On tracks, the saturation of the UAD 1176 and the PA902 are both very helpful. When I run out of UAD DSP, I'll swap in Decapitator since it got pretty close to a hardware Culture Vulture in one of those saturator shootouts on Youtube. Maybe when I build a better computer I'll be able to run the Silver Bullet on sub-mixes. Right now I can't get enough cpu to pull it off. Never heard of Klanghabitat and I will take a look for sure. Dopamine can be a decent substitute for Satin's type A, but it creates a thicker, more compressed sound.
There's probably a decent amount of saturation in FX like Softube Atlantis.
Using plugin saturation the way I am now allows me to make a lot of moves that make my ITB mixes way better than they ever were. It's what I use instead of bus compression and I don't run anything across the whole mix until I go into a master session. Then it's hardware, the PA PQ, and utility plugins. Having access to hardware has made me understand the different stages a lot better and how to better maximize the potential of plugins. You realize what can't be done by slapping hardware across a mix. And you get a good idea of what top notch hardware sounds like and can then better understand the quality of plugin emulations. The hardware is sort of a measuring stick. You could even look at investing in it as you would investing tens of thousands in audio school. The hardware might actually be cheaper and give you a better rate of return if you apply yourself, actually.
With that said, there is some quality saturation with plugins. They are faithful enough to the hardware that you can utilize them for the same purposes. The character is retained pretty well. Then you can get creative with chains of saturation plugins mixed with utility plugins to achieve some really good results.
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Post by drbill on Feb 9, 2024 17:45:25 GMT -6
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Post by doubledog on Feb 10, 2024 9:20:39 GMT -6
I've used the UAD Culture Vulture a couple times (and when it was right, it was right), and I've got the Blackbox HG-2 (from PA - usually only used it for subtle stuff), Decapitator, and even though it's not technically a saturation plugin, I really like the Soundtoys Devil-Loc Deluxe (aliasing be damned! - although I've never checked.. I like it). Although tbh, if I'm going for some saturation, I'm usually trying to get it through transformers on the way in (I think almost every one of my pres has transformers... even the "clean" ones)
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 10, 2024 9:25:46 GMT -6
Anyone using Kelvin by Tone projects ?
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 10, 2024 9:31:42 GMT -6
I like ST Decapitator but when it comes to the crunch (pun intended) I always end up dumping the plugin and making the effort to send and print through some hardware.
More hassle though - so only for the special tracks :-)
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Post by robo on Feb 10, 2024 11:33:00 GMT -6
Anyone using Kelvin by Tone projects ? Yes, but it mostly gets used on the mixbus. To my ear, in “pristine” mode, it is very analog-sounding. I don’t love it driven hard, but I also feel that way about most of my analog gear. When I reach for a saturation plugin, a lot of the time I’m looking for something a little more cartoonish. It seems to excel at subtle enhancement. The pre/post emphasis eq is a nice feature though it doesn’t work into my workflow much. I need to explore more of the presets to know what it’s capable of.
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Post by ericn on Feb 10, 2024 11:46:01 GMT -6
I think Chris and I can both promise our exits will be as comical as humanly possible . Of course on the to much drama front I type this from my favorite breakfast spot invaded by the attendees of a writers conference. Talk about your drama confab. I am as I just told my wife for a publisher to walk over and go “ you probably have the most interesting story to tell how would you like a book deal.”😎
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Post by kristoferharris on Feb 10, 2024 11:46:46 GMT -6
Anyone using Kelvin by Tone projects ? Yes, but it mostly gets used on the mixbus. To my ear, in “pristine” mode, it is very analog-sounding. I don’t love it driven hard, but I also feel that way about most of my analog gear. When I reach for a saturation plugin, a lot of the time I’m looking for something a little more cartoonish. It seems to excel at subtle enhancement. The pre/post emphasis eq is a nice feature though it doesn’t work into my workflow much. I need to explore more of the presets to know what it’s capable of. Mostly in agreement with this, though I find the darker modules, such as a combination of Dark Iron transformer + Boutique tube, can be driven that bit harder. Kelvin's strengths certainly lie in its use as a subtle effect, much like you'd insert a piece of outboard just for the transformer saturation/EQ curve. I also like Kelvin for vocals with the earlier mentioned combo: Dark Iron + Boutique.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 10, 2024 13:34:40 GMT -6
I think Chris and I can both promise our exits will be as comical as humanly possible . Of course on the to much drama front I type this from my favorite breakfast spot invaded by the attendees of a writers conference. Talk about your drama confab. I am as I just told my wife for a publisher to walk over and go “ you probably have the most interesting story to tell how would you like a book deal.”😎 I have No Doubt my Exit will be Final. As some of you may know... The zany Dick Shawn collapsed and died onstage in San Diego. (Bad Ticker) The audience thought it was part of the Act. And no one actually checked him, for a number of minutes! Not that I'm dying to do that anytime soon. Chris P.S. I'll wrestle more with trying to try out Plugs tomorrow. Having trouble receiving activation emails etc. from Mixwave/Softube/etc. Might be my Anti-Virus. Good thing I'd normally send out a vocal without adding Saturation. May just stick with my stock MulitrackStudio Saturation Plugs. Super easy to use and adjust anyway!
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