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Post by gouge on Aug 4, 2013 17:57:02 GMT -6
who's got some...
enjoying mine very much. has anyone had a chance to compare to preamps like hardy etc. have never used the hardy myself.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 4, 2013 18:22:37 GMT -6
So - tell me more about them...What do they sound like?
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Post by gouge on Aug 4, 2013 20:40:33 GMT -6
open and detailed with some thickness in the bottom end would be my description. they kinda suck in the ambience and translate it very well resulting in a 3d sound. soon-ish I will have 2 as I've got another on the cards in the next few weeks then i'll start using them on overheads.
so i'd say weighty and tight in the bass region, open through the mids and unhyped in the top end.
it seems to have a pretty fast slew rate which works well for me also.
lola seems to work in places where i'd usually reach for a daking but the difference is the lola doesn't have the mid forward edge that the dakings have and the daking tends to have a little more air right up the top. currently using it on guitars and vocals. also used it on toms for the first time this week and well impressed. the detail it portrays on distorted electric guitars and vocals is very pleasing.
it has a line mode also, so once i get another i'll use it on a buss during mixdown.
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Post by noah shain on Aug 5, 2013 9:26:25 GMT -6
I love my Lolas! I use them in a passive summing rig along with Great Rivers, VP28, AWATC. They're fat, fast and open. Killer. Mine have Hardy 990s in em. I love em on drums and vocals.
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Post by svart on Aug 5, 2013 12:27:59 GMT -6
Gouge, would you say the midrange was more API or Neve sounding? I find the neve has more top end and less "grunt" while the APIs have less top end and a lot of mid "grunt". I'm looking for something that kinda does the best of both.
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Post by gouge on Aug 5, 2013 17:15:14 GMT -6
i'd say yes it's more neve sounding in the midrange. it's very relaxed. it doesn't have the neve bump in the bottom end. to me it's like a daking without the midrange bump and slightly less air.
for half way I tend to think the daking is the unit. has a slight bottom bump, a more relaxed midrange than the api and a very open airy top end. some people may find the daking a little to quick in the midrange though. plus the daking doesn't tend to saturate like the api or neve.
I would be interested to try the lola's with the neve opamp in them.
I used to think the daking was transparent until I plugged in the lola and noticed the mid range bite was gone. the lola I also find can saturate into a place I don't like if pushed very hard. i really like it with a more open sound so i back off on the attenuator.
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Post by gouge on Feb 25, 2014 21:09:09 GMT -6
ok, turns out I really REALLY , like this preamp.
it makes shit sound better without making it sound all that different. I really don't know how it does that.
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Post by mulmany on Feb 25, 2014 21:32:49 GMT -6
What brought that on?
You have had it for a while now. I was looking at these a while ago but had made up my mind to get 2 VP312 to round out my CAPI flavors.
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Post by gouge on Feb 25, 2014 21:39:58 GMT -6
I've had it about 6 months now. it's just when I listen to stuff I've recorded or when setting up mics it makes things shine. doesn't seem to matter what the source or the mic. I still use the VP28 on drums and the vp28 has become my favourite piece of kit to mix through.
I'm about to buy another lola to build so I'm feeling all shiny.....:-)
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Post by grummy on Feb 26, 2014 2:43:53 GMT -6
I love my Lolas! I use them in a passive summing rig along with Great Rivers, VP28, AWATC. They're fat, fast and open. Killer. Mine have Hardy 990s in em. I love em on drums and vocals. Is there anything you find the Lolas outshine the Great Rivers on? I was about to order one or two kits recently but Mike was out and then I came across a used MP-500nv so I bought that instead. I already had a GR and this past year I've been re-falling in love with it. I still plan to get one or two Lolas at some point though. I think they might have more clean gain for things like ribbons and quiet dynamics. I've been on a dynamic kick lately. Bought something like seven used dynamics this year already. Not sure if I want to go more ultra clean like the AEA RPQ next, or these Lolas. I've got mostly colourful pres so far so I should get a clean solution next. Been excited about the Lolas since before they were even available. Anyone use the Lolas on ribbons and dynamics like the SM7, MD441, and RE20?
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Post by gouge on Feb 26, 2014 3:16:23 GMT -6
I have and it's amazing on any mic I've tried with it. I can't explain how. it's just everything sounds really really nice through it. but anyways. here is the tape off review. I'd say I fullysupport their point of view. tapeop.com/reviews/gear/93/lola-500-series-mic-preamp/ Hairball Audio is the Seattle Company responsible for bringing us key elements for theDIY versionof the 1176 Blue Stripe [Tape Op #84]. This is their first product designed from scratch. Named Lola, after the founder's dog, Hairball offers various kit and assembled forms of the 500-series unit.
Out of the box, it is evident that Lola is a different kind of preamp. The front panel sports a hammered, metallic-jadefinish reminiscent of your uncle's hunting thermos. You know, the one that he said was for "coffee" but always smelled like jetfuel. Large black knobs with just the right amount of knurling adjust input and output gain. The input provides up to 65 dB of gain using a 4.5 dB-stepped Grayhill rotary switch for reliability and recall. The output potentiometer is a firm-feeling Bourns. Three illuminate-when-depressed buttons toggle 48V phantom power, polarity, and line mode. (The line button activates a relay that flips the input transformer, making it a step-down input.) There is no input pad, but the minimum gain setting is a meager 15.5 dB, which would accommodate all but the hottest of signals.A vertical ten-step LED meter provides PPM or VU readings. 0 dBon the meter scale represents +4 dBm (1.23 volts) in VU mode. Asimple resistor change allows the user to change the 0 dB mark to 0 dBu (0.775 volts) if preferred. A 1/4'' DI jack completes the front panel.
Inside Lola are custom Ed Anderson input (EA-10468) and output (EA-1166-500) transformers. The unracked module weighs in at a solid 1 lb 8 oz, providing a hint of what these things can do even before powered. The Lola maintains a fully differential signal path throughout the unit and employs dual operational amplifiers (even for line inputs courtesy of dual FET buffers). Both kit and assembled versions include the well-regardedJohn Hardy 990C in this application, although users are free toexperiment with alternate op amps. While this approach is costly, using twice the parts, there are reasons to justify the cost.This topology provides lower noise and a high common-mode rejection ratio. And since the op amps are wired in parallel, the available output drive is higher. This results in lower output impedance, which improves output transformer performance and increases the maximum undistorted gain. In this regard, it's similar torunning a single-op-amp design on 24 volt rails. I was impressed by this ingenious (and legal) way to circumvent some of the limits imposed by the API 500-series format. And as a John Hardy preamp owner, I'm pleased to see the op amps deployed in this creative fashion. Other technical niceties include minimal use of capacitors in the audio chain, a euphonic pairing of the input transformer (by input turns) with the JH 990Cs, and higher headroom. As of this writing, Hairball is working on a variant DIY operational amplifier, but users need not worry about the performance of the Hardy boys inside the Lola.
I don't normally go through such a detailed features run-down, but in this situation, I want to stress how different the Lola is from the ocean of offerings in the 500-series market. In my opinion, many 500-series preamps want to be either a classic "British" design or a classic "American" design. Of course there are variations, tweaks, and changes. But in essence, they are closely related. Lola belongs in a different camp along with other brands implementing alternate topologies. Unsurprisingly, Lola is a very different sounding preamp. If I had to point to pre- existing brands, the closest I would say might be the GML 2032 [Tape Op #52], which also happensto be one of the best preamps I've tested. This is refreshing, both from a reviewer's perspective and from a new-tools-for-recording standpoint. I will attempt to describe what Lola "sounds" like - and give some usage examples that worked well for us.
Lola is big, clean, and open, but without the negative elements weassociate with transparent preamps. In use, you feel like you're not even scratching the surface of what this unit can do gain-wise. On acoustic guitar, paired with a Neumann KM 184, the Lolaprovided both nuance and girth. As a vocal preamp, the Lola seemed to bring out the most of any mic we selected. It was particularly satisfying with dynamic vocal mics such as the Shure SM7 [Tape Op #36] or the Electro-Voice RE20. Speaking of dynamic mics, Lola with a Sennheiser MD 421 on tom tom was ridiculous, like playing basketball against a pack of six year olds. And an entire drum set tracked through Lolas would probably make listeners stop and ask, "What's going on here? Is there a giant playing in this band?" But we only had two Lolas, so we tried other things.Ribbon mics were next. I've not heard our Royer R-121 [#19] sound this complete. Same goes for the Beyerdymanic M 160 [#60], which employs a completely different ribbon motor construction. Lola presented the warm ribbon bottom frequencies while the top end was articulate in typically un-ribbon ways. Heck, you don't even need to use the preamps, because the Lola is now our go-to bass guitar DI. It has been years since we mixed an album using only the DI. (The guys at Treelady Studios like to mic a cab. If you don't, that's fine. I'm just trying to explain.) Not a problem with the Lola. All of the articulation you expect from a DI isthere, plus additional low mids and roundness that often requires a bass amp. If your bass player is all over the place dynamically (either from poor technique or poor setup), the Lola's added headroom lets you continue tracking without the need to adjustgain settings.
We've had the Lola in use for a few months, andwe're still talking about how we can pay for, assemble, and deploy 16 of these in our Studio A. With all of the 500-series preamp options on the market, it might be hard to justify a new product. But after using Lola, I can attest that Hairball Audio has absolutely nothing to fear in going to market. This is a very good preamp and a great example of what happens when solid electronic design is married to well-matched transformers and operational amplifiers. If you are patient and have soldering skills, $395 is a steal. Grab a pair before the price goes up. (Kits $70-$395 direct, fully assembled $625;
-Garrett Haines <www.treelady.com>
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Post by noah shain on Feb 27, 2014 11:28:46 GMT -6
I have and it's amazing on any mic I've tried with it. I can't explain how. it's just everything sounds really really nice through it. but anyways. here is the tape off review. I'd say I fullysupport their point of view. tapeop.com/reviews/gear/93/lola-500-series-mic-preamp/ Hairball Audio is the Seattle Company responsible for bringing us key elements for theDIY versionof the 1176 Blue Stripe [Tape Op #84]. This is their first product designed from scratch. Named Lola, after the founder's dog, Hairball offers various kit and assembled forms of the 500-series unit.
Out of the box, it is evident that Lola is a different kind of preamp. The front panel sports a hammered, metallic-jadefinish reminiscent of your uncle's hunting thermos. You know, the one that he said was for "coffee" but always smelled like jetfuel. Large black knobs with just the right amount of knurling adjust input and output gain. The input provides up to 65 dB of gain using a 4.5 dB-stepped Grayhill rotary switch for reliability and recall. The output potentiometer is a firm-feeling Bourns. Three illuminate-when-depressed buttons toggle 48V phantom power, polarity, and line mode. (The line button activates a relay that flips the input transformer, making it a step-down input.) There is no input pad, but the minimum gain setting is a meager 15.5 dB, which would accommodate all but the hottest of signals.A vertical ten-step LED meter provides PPM or VU readings. 0 dBon the meter scale represents +4 dBm (1.23 volts) in VU mode. Asimple resistor change allows the user to change the 0 dB mark to 0 dBu (0.775 volts) if preferred. A 1/4'' DI jack completes the front panel.
Inside Lola are custom Ed Anderson input (EA-10468) and output (EA-1166-500) transformers. The unracked module weighs in at a solid 1 lb 8 oz, providing a hint of what these things can do even before powered. The Lola maintains a fully differential signal path throughout the unit and employs dual operational amplifiers (even for line inputs courtesy of dual FET buffers). Both kit and assembled versions include the well-regardedJohn Hardy 990C in this application, although users are free toexperiment with alternate op amps. While this approach is costly, using twice the parts, there are reasons to justify the cost.This topology provides lower noise and a high common-mode rejection ratio. And since the op amps are wired in parallel, the available output drive is higher. This results in lower output impedance, which improves output transformer performance and increases the maximum undistorted gain. In this regard, it's similar torunning a single-op-amp design on 24 volt rails. I was impressed by this ingenious (and legal) way to circumvent some of the limits imposed by the API 500-series format. And as a John Hardy preamp owner, I'm pleased to see the op amps deployed in this creative fashion. Other technical niceties include minimal use of capacitors in the audio chain, a euphonic pairing of the input transformer (by input turns) with the JH 990Cs, and higher headroom. As of this writing, Hairball is working on a variant DIY operational amplifier, but users need not worry about the performance of the Hardy boys inside the Lola.
I don't normally go through such a detailed features run-down, but in this situation, I want to stress how different the Lola is from the ocean of offerings in the 500-series market. In my opinion, many 500-series preamps want to be either a classic "British" design or a classic "American" design. Of course there are variations, tweaks, and changes. But in essence, they are closely related. Lola belongs in a different camp along with other brands implementing alternate topologies. Unsurprisingly, Lola is a very different sounding preamp. If I had to point to pre- existing brands, the closest I would say might be the GML 2032 [Tape Op #52], which also happensto be one of the best preamps I've tested. This is refreshing, both from a reviewer's perspective and from a new-tools-for-recording standpoint. I will attempt to describe what Lola "sounds" like - and give some usage examples that worked well for us.
Lola is big, clean, and open, but without the negative elements weassociate with transparent preamps. In use, you feel like you're not even scratching the surface of what this unit can do gain-wise. On acoustic guitar, paired with a Neumann KM 184, the Lolaprovided both nuance and girth. As a vocal preamp, the Lola seemed to bring out the most of any mic we selected. It was particularly satisfying with dynamic vocal mics such as the Shure SM7 [Tape Op #36] or the Electro-Voice RE20. Speaking of dynamic mics, Lola with a Sennheiser MD 421 on tom tom was ridiculous, like playing basketball against a pack of six year olds. And an entire drum set tracked through Lolas would probably make listeners stop and ask, "What's going on here? Is there a giant playing in this band?" But we only had two Lolas, so we tried other things.Ribbon mics were next. I've not heard our Royer R-121 [#19] sound this complete. Same goes for the Beyerdymanic M 160 [#60], which employs a completely different ribbon motor construction. Lola presented the warm ribbon bottom frequencies while the top end was articulate in typically un-ribbon ways. Heck, you don't even need to use the preamps, because the Lola is now our go-to bass guitar DI. It has been years since we mixed an album using only the DI. (The guys at Treelady Studios like to mic a cab. If you don't, that's fine. I'm just trying to explain.) Not a problem with the Lola. All of the articulation you expect from a DI isthere, plus additional low mids and roundness that often requires a bass amp. If your bass player is all over the place dynamically (either from poor technique or poor setup), the Lola's added headroom lets you continue tracking without the need to adjustgain settings.
We've had the Lola in use for a few months, andwe're still talking about how we can pay for, assemble, and deploy 16 of these in our Studio A. With all of the 500-series preamp options on the market, it might be hard to justify a new product. But after using Lola, I can attest that Hairball Audio has absolutely nothing to fear in going to market. This is a very good preamp and a great example of what happens when solid electronic design is married to well-matched transformers and operational amplifiers. If you are patient and have soldering skills, $395 is a steal. Grab a pair before the price goes up. (Kits $70-$395 direct, fully assembled $625;
-Garrett Haines <www.treelady.com> Nothing much to add. I like them on a passive summing rail for drums or guitars.
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Post by winetree on Feb 27, 2014 16:22:13 GMT -6
I e-mailed Mike at Hairball, said Lola won't be back in town until after March 15th.
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Post by gouge on Feb 27, 2014 16:52:36 GMT -6
I emailed yesterday so looks like a wait. No probs with that.
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Post by gouge on Mar 20, 2014 17:56:51 GMT -6
yeah baby, lola kits back in stock. button will be pressed.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by gouge on Mar 21, 2014 10:03:03 GMT -6
wondering if anyone has used the new eisen opamps in the lola? BA512 Discrete Op-Amp
are we talking real neve sound?
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Post by svart on Mar 21, 2014 11:55:51 GMT -6
Define neve sound.. If you mean like a 1073/1084/1272, then no. The BA440/640/512 were class A/B opamps like the API2520 and 990. They do not produce the single-ended class A sound found in the 1073/1084/1272/etc.
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Post by gouge on Mar 21, 2014 17:11:17 GMT -6
I would think there is no reason why a class ab stage cannot operate in class a for part of its function.
so how does it sound. Is does it break up like a neve?
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Post by gouge on Mar 21, 2014 17:11:33 GMT -6
I would think there is no reason why a class ab stage cannot operate in class a for part of its function.
so how does it sound. Is does it break up like a neve?
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Post by svart on Mar 21, 2014 20:53:43 GMT -6
They do operate in Class A for part of the cycle, but not in the region that counts. Part of the old Neve sound is the constant current though the transformer due to the class A function. This does not do that, and cannot get the classic neve (1073/1084/1272) sound. It's by no means bad at all. It's just not what you think/hope it is.
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Post by deehope on Mar 25, 2014 13:14:34 GMT -6
Has anyone tried putting Jensen or any other clean trannys in this circuit?
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Post by gouge on Jul 29, 2014 7:20:38 GMT -6
they're backkkkkkkkkk...... :-)
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Post by matt on Jul 29, 2014 7:38:37 GMT -6
Sorry, can't help it:
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Post by winetree on Jul 29, 2014 14:05:11 GMT -6
Ordered today. Just waiting for my Lola.
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Post by gouge on Jul 29, 2014 15:44:07 GMT -6
Yeah me too. I missed the last round because some bills came up but bought a ticket this time.
They seem to be selling fairly quick.
Really looking forward to getting 2 on overheads now.
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