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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 2, 2024 18:43:12 GMT -6
I've scoffed at pretty much every new Apple release since the iPod with the exception of the Silicon chips which I was psyched about from day one. I'm often wrong (I was SO sure iPad would flop and honestly I still only kind of get it) and it really just proves that I have no product vision I guess. They're Apple, I'm... not. But this one could be really, really cool. I just watched their demo video and for once I get it. Especially for audio applications. Can you imagine just doing away with your monitor and having a ultra, ultra, ultra high virtual display instead? And then hiding that when you dont' want to see it, or putting it on the wall beside you and then floating plugin parameters in front of you. I mean, even just the idea of removing that boundary interference is appealing! And can you imagine video editing?? I never buy V1 of pretty much anything, but depending on what kind of actual "computing" this thing can do, it's very tempting. $3500 is a lot but if it's basically like a Mac Mini M2 with the world's most amazing monitor... very, very tempting. www.youtube.com/@apple
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 2, 2024 18:50:04 GMT -6
Looks like the M2 chips are just for powering the tech so who knows how much is left over for processing. But still...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 18:55:24 GMT -6
Yeah, I gotta admit it does look pretty freaking cool.. Oh and here's a good reason for atmos if it takes off.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 2, 2024 19:02:30 GMT -6
Hmm... I think that hole Apple Vision idea... Is so 2020. Chris
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 2, 2024 19:06:47 GMT -6
More like1990!
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Post by Quint on Feb 2, 2024 19:16:22 GMT -6
Maybe Vision will allow me see 1:1 virtual racks behind me in 3D space, with virtual gear in them, so I have to get up out of the mixing sweet spot to go and turn virtual knobs on said virtual gear. Virtual patch bays with virtual patch cables too. All joking aside, this does seem kind of cool, though I don't know if I would like having glasses like that on my face for long periods of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 19:17:07 GMT -6
It's not a new concept for sure but things have moved on a bit since the lawnmower man .. It's like music or any artform, it doesn't always have to be original it just has to be done well.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 2, 2024 20:15:17 GMT -6
It's not a new concept for sure but things have moved on a bit since the lawnmower man .. Come on Danny. I still love Mowtown!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 2, 2024 20:20:52 GMT -6
Maybe Vision will allow me see 1:1 virtual racks behind me in 3D space, with virtual gear in them, so I have to get up out of the mixing sweet spot to go and turn virtual knobs on said virtual gear. Virtual patch bays with virtual patch cables too. All joking aside, this does seem kind of cool, though I don't know if I would like having glasses like that on my face for long periods of time. That would be hilarious. Just use the technology to make the most backward and inefficient system ever. But the way I would use it would be to take my physical monitor away and then just put every parameter that I'm working on right in front of me. And if there's a window I'm not using I could literally just like put it behind the couch.
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Post by Quint on Feb 2, 2024 20:30:55 GMT -6
Maybe Vision will allow me see 1:1 virtual racks behind me in 3D space, with virtual gear in them, so I have to get up out of the mixing sweet spot to go and turn virtual knobs on said virtual gear. Virtual patch bays with virtual patch cables too. All joking aside, this does seem kind of cool, though I don't know if I would like having glasses like that on my face for long periods of time. That would be hilarious. Just use the technology to make the most backward and inefficient system ever. But the way I would use it would be to take my physical monitor away and then just put every parameter that I'm working on right in front of me. And if there's a window I'm not using I could literally just like put it behind the couch. Yeah, that part could be cool, for acoustic reasons. I'm old school, and just have my 65" mounted against the wall, on a motorized lift stand, so I can just hit the remote control for the stand and send the whole TV down behind my console. Put it up when you want it. Put it down when you don't.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 2, 2024 20:48:12 GMT -6
That would be hilarious. Just use the technology to make the most backward and inefficient system ever. But the way I would use it would be to take my physical monitor away and then just put every parameter that I'm working on right in front of me. And if there's a window I'm not using I could literally just like put it behind the couch. Yeah, that part could be cool, for acoustic reasons. I'm old school, and just have my 65" mounted against the wall, on a motorized lift stand, so I can just hit the remote control for the stand and send the whole TV down behind my console. Put it up when you want it. Put it down when you don't. Austin Powers style. And yes... nothing says old-school like the Stream Deck! Didn't George Martin use one of those? Haha. Totally kidding, actually I'm kind of jealous of your set up.
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Post by skav on Feb 2, 2024 20:55:04 GMT -6
Looks like future nightmare to me
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Post by Quint on Feb 2, 2024 20:59:12 GMT -6
Yeah, that part could be cool, for acoustic reasons. I'm old school, and just have my 65" mounted against the wall, on a motorized lift stand, so I can just hit the remote control for the stand and send the whole TV down behind my console. Put it up when you want it. Put it down when you don't. Austin Powers style. And yes... nothing says old-school like the Stream Deck! Didn't George Martin use one of those? Haha. Totally kidding, actually I'm kind of jealous of your set up. I'll have to show you some time what I've done with the Stream Deck. Stream Decks are bad ass. Especially if you spend the time to learn how to do different things with them. I've got a lot of stuff in Luna automated now. One touch of a button and it's done. No mouse. I couldn't go back to not having one. You can of course use a Stream Deck with any DAW. It's up to your own creativity. Almost anything is possible.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 2, 2024 21:08:05 GMT -6
Looks like future nightmare to me The dystopian future is here man, and it's gonna be totally awesome. Right up until theminute that it's not.
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Post by andersmv on Feb 3, 2024 6:44:10 GMT -6
I don’t like a lot of aspects of this type of thing. The idea of everyone walking around like robots all day is concerning, I don’t want to become disconnected in the wrong ways. All that crap aside, there’s just so many potential ways to implement this into studio workflows. Can you imagine what it can do for hardware recall eventually? Imagine looking down at a huge API console or all your racks of outboard gear after doing a big mix and being able to take a virtual capture/snapshot of it all. A week later you need to recall it all, you just throw the headset on and walk up to stuff and have a visual indicator of what every single knob and button should be when you walk up to stuff. I think someone could easily make that happen with the tech at it’s current state. It would be even cooler if you could 3d map and capture a whole room to recall where instruments and microphones were on sessions…
I have to record myself a lot, I’ve found a fairly painless work around with screen sharing my computer on my iPad so I can be in the live room. Not going to lie, I would MUCH rather have this thing on my head if it meant being able to throw up the ProTools screen on one side of the room, my Apollo virtual console on the other, and maybe a chart or song lyrics somewhere to help me follow the song easier. Even more appealing if I could move around and control things with my eyes and gestures. I would strap on the headset every freaking session…
Unfortunately, all we’re going to get is virtual skins from Behringer to make their crap look like the real things, and a Virtual Abbey Road Beatles Experience or something…
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Post by lowlou on Feb 3, 2024 6:57:32 GMT -6
Problem is you can't use headphones at the same time as the big glasses isn't it ?...
But other than that it's really interesting. 3-4 big old traditional screens could reach 3K.
The headset is just another alternative, & acoustically non-intrusive for speakers. If it's compatible with W12 why not...
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 3, 2024 8:47:36 GMT -6
Problem is you can't use headphones at the same time as the big glasses isn't it ?... But other than that it's really interesting. 3-4 big old traditional screens could reach 3K. The headset is just another alternative, & acoustically non-intrusive for speakers. If it's compatible with W12 why not... I was wondering about that. Seemed kind of borderline based on the videos. My take was that headphones with a tight enough band could work but I've never actually seen one of these things, could be wrong. I also am among those who hates the idea of these technologies isolating humans even further from each other. But for areas (like mixing) that are already (mostly) a hyper focused solo activity, this could be game changing. Another one is video editing. There are probably others like that where isolated immersion is already the name of the game. But yeah, watching a movie by myself on the wall? No thanks. I like to watch the first 8 minutes of every movie with my wife before she falls asleep, it's a bonding thing.
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Post by andersmv on Feb 3, 2024 9:29:17 GMT -6
Problem is you can't use headphones at the same time as the big glasses isn't it ?... But other than that it's really interesting. 3-4 big old traditional screens could reach 3K. The headset is just another alternative, & acoustically non-intrusive for speakers. If it's compatible with W12 why not... I would just get a nice set of IEM's for them.
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Post by plinker on Feb 3, 2024 9:56:09 GMT -6
Well, if that doesn't kill physical movie theaters, nothing will.
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Post by lowlou on Feb 3, 2024 10:01:14 GMT -6
For complex production/mix where in an ideal world you need one big timeline screen, one big mixer screen, one big midi editor screen vertically aligned with the timeline, one graphic analyzers screen, several plugin UI screens, one FX folder screen, (another screen for video ?), I really find interesting the opportunity to have all that virtualized in your workspace. ---> You can use your 3-way monitors unobstructed by screens.
IEM I don't know.
Ideally they find a way to make the headsets compatible with headphones like Dan Clark Audio's, Audeze's etc.
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Post by drbill on Feb 3, 2024 10:26:44 GMT -6
Another step towards the dystopian world where we all just live in a bubble by ourselves, surrounded by fake products, fake people, fake society, fake sex, fake everything. Kind of sounds familiar. Wasn't there a movie - or was it several movies about this? No thanks for me.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 3, 2024 10:36:43 GMT -6
Another step towards the dystopian world where we all just live in a bubble by ourselves, surrounded by fake products, fake people, fake society, fake sex, fake everything. Kind of sounds familiar. Wasn't there a movie - or was it several movies about this? No thanks for me. Agreed! I'm sticking to the real world for as many activities as possible!!
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Post by andersmv on Feb 3, 2024 10:40:21 GMT -6
Well, if that doesn't kill physical movie theaters, nothing will. It's not really going to have an effect more than likely. People were saying that about streaming for years and it's gone the other way, all the streaming services are having to spit out non stop, never ending crap content and increase prices. For something like the Vision headset, you miss out on the "group activity" aspect of it. Who's going to drop over $10k on a few of these for when you have a few friends over? You're just not going to "beat" the draw of a physical place to go out to for a group activity. You could definitely augment it all, for sure! I just don't see the argument of this killing movie theaters, it's a different thing. There's pro's and cons as far as the isolation aspect of this technology goes...
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 3, 2024 10:43:11 GMT -6
Well, if that doesn't kill physical movie theaters, nothing will. Well I'm 60, so streaming has meant I'm now able to watch a movie without missing any of it. Streaming has a double meaning for me
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Post by chessparov on Feb 3, 2024 12:32:13 GMT -6
"Streeeeeaaaammmm Onnnnnnn" (It's a brief clip!) Chris
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