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Post by chessparov on Jan 29, 2024 13:48:15 GMT -6
Am still in NAMM Recovery Mode today. So for now/before work... Report that yes. It's an exceptional vocal mic* I was intrigued by the C12 model Style, from the Days of Yore. When the late/great mic genius AKA Stephen Paul wrote about mic "Icons". Later Thrill Factor's posts on GS. More to my story, but want to leave room for questions/comments about the C12a Tube in the meantime. *My time at Saturday/Sunday NAMM was divided up mostly... Partly by "singing their mic line", especially for non-Singers, Producers and/or AE's. Getting people right there and nearby generally to laugh (sometimes intentionally). And hanging out with my other "fave Mic People"... Including Heiserman/AEA/Cloud/Sontronics/Samar/et al Hangn' with Wes Dooley is always a big highlight for me too. Along with our other Hardware Friends. Like Chris at Audioscape and Eric at Locomotive. Dave Derr is awesome too. Whew!  Chris P.S. Blood Glucose reading Sunday morning... 88!! Best in over a year. (From all the miles of walking Saturday) |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 29, 2024 15:38:06 GMT -6
So.. (not like it's some secret  ) Since I'm more Enthusiastic "Grasshopper" on the expertise spectrum. * Instead of an Expert Master Po... Am looking forward to general thoughts on the C12 itself (including what to usually expect in a FET version) Thanks in advance for your responses guys. Chris *IMHO I understand the iconic Neumann styles, relatively better. Partly from all those Records. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 29, 2024 17:01:31 GMT -6
I want to hear your thoughts on the C12 vs. C12A Chris.....
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Post by chessparov on Jan 29, 2024 17:28:34 GMT -6
Thanks! The memory of Ben's version, is still in my mind. I'll re-review some seminal OG C12 recordings. To help put things more accuratel/succinctly. The ones/off the cuff I'm most familiar with are... Some Animals/Beach Boys/Byrds stuff. Burdon's voice helps me "understand" the Deep Baritone match.The other groups High Baritone and Tenor. More after work, this evening (Pacific Time) Chris P.S. Personally, (like the BU67/OG 67 Style) it's a "Winner" on me. Complementary to a 67. Enough "difference". Also looking forward to Paul G's input. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 29, 2024 18:54:10 GMT -6
I'll re-review some seminal OG C12 recordings. That's all well and fine Chris, but how did you hear / feel about each of them. I'm assuming you got to sing into both. |
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Post by phdamage on Jan 29, 2024 19:41:34 GMT -6
I bought one of the FET versions and borrowed a pair of the tube ones from a friend. I was shocked by how different they sounded. I only tested them on drum overheads (my expected use). The FET was far brighter to my ear. I honestly didn’t love the FET in solo but with the rest of the mics on the kit, it sounded just right to me.
I was kinda expecting to swap the FET for the tube version but was very glad (as was my credit card bill) when I preferred the FET and I got a second to make a pair. Been using them on overheads since. Though I just got an R88 for stupidly cheap (like less than the Stager stereo ribbon!) so will see if it gets unseated.
Have yet to try it on anything else, admittedly.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 29, 2024 20:12:46 GMT -6
I'll re-review some seminal OG C12 recordings. That's all well and fine Chris, but how did you hear / feel about each of them. I'm assuming you got to sing into both. Just the Tube version. Elevator speech... Really loved how it brought out "solidity" in the Low and Mid portions of my voice. (BU67 is comparable but different/very "sweet sounding") The top end was very open. And "the shimmer" was apparent.* Chris *Part of the reason The Met wanted me in their Chorus in March 1992(after my Master finished training me) as a Lyric Baritone... Was that solidity of the Chest Voice and the bright Shimmery top end. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 29, 2024 23:01:12 GMT -6
I think we have a misunderstanding. Probably my fault. The C12 and C12a are both tube - but of the same heritage, yet different designs. The C12a has that sort of the 414 shape, and the C12 has a long slender body. I have traditionally used the C12 - not the C12a (which I have liked less when I HAVE had the opportunity to use one). So I'm really interested in the difference between those two BN models and not concerned with 67's which I love even more. Although Ben was kind enough to respond to my comparison inquiry, I have not been able to really get a feel for which might better suit my needs. I suspect the C12, but everyone is raving about the C12a. I have not seen ANY reviews of the C12, and I was holding out high hopes that you might get the opportunity..... C12 beesneezproaudio.com/product/c12-classic/C12a beesneezproaudio.com/product/classic-bc12a-tube/ |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 30, 2024 0:52:56 GMT -6
I love my BC12a’s so much but I’d love to hear that capsule in a C12 classic. Can mics show us some circuit shots please as I’m interested in a pair. Keep up the good work, I wish NAMM was closer. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 30, 2024 0:53:11 GMT -6
Oops. SO sorry. Yes I did sing through both there!! The "other" Beesneez C12 version, is a little off my mental radar screen as... Ben figured out a while back that the flatter headbasket shape actually is a somewhat better fit (in design) on me. (It's "there" but kinda subtle to catch) For other singers/instruments etc., not sure what might work the best for you. I sense that's where Ben/Paul G will shed more light on this.* My guess is that the smaller size of the C12a, will help sometimes. But the cylindrical shape of the other headbasket will favor other Singers sometimes/etc. I hope this helps a bit. Chris *Just noticed Paul's post above. Thanks! Not a C12. But enjoying the Studio Elly tonight! |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 30, 2024 0:56:46 GMT -6
That's all well and fine Chris, but how did you hear / feel about each of them. I'm assuming you got to sing into both. Just the Tube version. Elevator speech... Really loved how it brought out "solidity" in the Low and Mid portions of my voice. (BU67 is comparable but different/very "sweet sounding") The top end was very open. And "the shimmer" was apparent.* Chris *Part of the reason The Met wanted me in their Chorus in March 1992(after my Master finished training me) as a Lyric Baritone... Was that solidity of the Chest Voice and the bright Shimmery top end. I’d love to have heard you and know what version it was. Ben has nailed the capsule for me, I love the top end. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 30, 2024 1:00:13 GMT -6
Oops. SO sorry. Yes I did sing through both there!! The "other" Beesneez C12 version, is a little off my mental radar screen as... Ben figured out a while back that the flatter headbasket shape actually is a somewhat better fit (in design) on me. (It's "there" but kinda subtle to catch) For other singers/instruments etc., not sure what might work the best for you. I sense that's where Ben/Paul G will shed more light on this.* My guess is that the smaller size of the C12a, will help sometimes. But the cylindrical shape of the other headbasket will favor other Singers sometimes/etc. I hope this helps a bit. Chris *Just noticed Paul's post above. Thanks! Not a C12. But enjoying the Studio Elly tonight! Thanks Chris you answered while I was typing.Interesting results. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 30, 2024 12:23:26 GMT -6
Thanks Paul. Now if only I could have "that slender body" Dr. Bill mentioned. Afraid I'm more 47 FET than graceful C12. But not quite M49-Yet. EDIT: Eureka Dr. Bill! I figured out the difference, between Ben's 2 models. It's "a". C12a minus C12 Equals "a". You see being a Math and (Blue Ribbon yet) Spelling Tudor, nothing gets Pabst me. Not even algaebra. Chris |
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