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Post by bikescene on Jan 6, 2024 15:41:40 GMT -6
I was thinking about experimenting with taking off the front head on my 22” kick drum for a more 70s sound.
I’ve got an Aquarian Superkick/Regulator combo right now. Do you guys have any recommendations for a batter head? The existing Superkick is a bit old, so I was thinking of trying a new head.
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Post by doubledog on Jan 6, 2024 16:13:20 GMT -6
70's sound? probably find either a single-ply smooth white or coated head (like a Remo ambassador) and shove a pillow in there too. tbh, I don't like the superkick for some reason. I prefer the PowerStroke 3 or the original EMAD. I still use a ported front head, but if I want less of that sound (meaning a tighter sound), I'll put a towel or blanket against the front head, maybe gate it more. Gets close to that sound without need to swap heads back and forth.
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Post by okcrecording on Jan 12, 2024 11:11:26 GMT -6
Going to have to agree with doubledog here. The superkick has never given me the sound I wanted in the studio. Just take the front head off and stuff it until it sounds like the eagles Seriously, the Powerstroke 3 seems to always deliver if you want to avoid heavy muffling. Another thing to mention, adding some weight to the inside of the drum can help lower the fundamental of the bass drum slightly, and give you a solid thump. Anything will work, stick to about ~5ish pounds. Sandbags tend to work well here as they can conform to the curvature of the shell. Add blankets, pillows or other muffling devices to taste over the sandbag.
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Post by bikescene on Jan 13, 2024 13:48:46 GMT -6
I’ll check out a Powerstroke III with muffling.
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Post by doubledog on Jan 14, 2024 19:35:11 GMT -6
I think a white coated Powerstroke 3 might get you closer to that 70's sound (vs the clear) - it's got maybe a slightly less slappy attack (vs the clear) - but stuff that pillow/blanket/towel in there and you can get that 70's thud either way
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Post by audiospecific on Jan 15, 2024 7:40:45 GMT -6
Fiber skin type with a medium soft felt beater.
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Post by sean on Jan 15, 2024 15:57:18 GMT -6
I think, with your Superkick, just take the resonant head off and put a pillow or blanket in there and see if you can get the sound you are looking to achieve. I would experiment with putting a packing blanket or something over the bass drum to prevent it from causing the toms from resonating. Depending on how dead you want it, the head really don't matter at a certain point.
Remo Ambassadors with a felt strip sound great, but I wouldn't buy them for a house kit in a studio because they don't last very long. Powerstroke 3 isn't that much different from a Superkick I (single ply 10mil heads like an Ambassador but they has a inlay ring). I have a D'Addario endorsement and while I do prefer Remo heads on toms and snare a lot of the times I do like the coated Evans EMAD, with it's removable dampening rings. That combined with a EQ3 resonant head is pretty flexible for me in the studio.
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Post by doubledog on Jan 16, 2024 8:41:40 GMT -6
I think, with your Superkick, just take the resonant head off and put a pillow or blanket in there and see if you can get the sound you are looking to achieve. I would experiment with putting a packing blanket or something over the bass drum to prevent it from causing the toms from resonating. Depending on how dead you want it, the head really don't matter at a certain point. Remo Ambassadors with a felt strip sound great, but I wouldn't buy them for a house kit in a studio because they don't last very long. Powerstroke 3 isn't that much different from a Superkick I (single ply 10mil heads like an Ambassador but they has a inlay ring). I have a D'Addario endorsement and while I do prefer Remo heads on toms and snare a lot of the times I do like the coated Evans EMAD, with it's removable dampening rings. That combined with a EQ3 resonant head is pretty flexible for me in the studio. I would agree that the general construction of the Superkick is not that different from a Powerstroke 3, but the sound and feel (for me as a drummer) are way different... and is why I don't like the superkick (to me it feels choked and unresponsive - but others obviously like this as it continues to sell).
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Post by okcrecording on Jan 17, 2024 9:56:30 GMT -6
I can agree with @ sean and @ doubledog here. At some point, with heavy muffling, the heads matter less than the mics and muffling itself. But, I would like to expand on what @ doubledog has said here. Aquarian heads are great heads, with a caveat. They have their own sound, and the feel is slightly different. The rebound, for me, feels heavier or slower. This mostly applies to batter heads struck with a stick and not a beater. That said, @ sean has some great points. There is a thread at DFO where they cover this topic exclusively, with some great insight. www.drumforum.org/threads/where-how-did-the-dead-drum-sound-of-the-later-70s-begin.171875/Ultimately, for a 70's kick sound, try to not overthink it. Take the front head off and stuff a blanket or big pillow in there and mic it! One thing to note: Many kick drums from that era were shorter in length, i.e. 22x16 or around that size. But, when removing the front head, the length of the kick note is dramatically shortened, so it may not matter in the end.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 17, 2024 23:54:18 GMT -6
I'm pretty much inline with what's been said already. I actually like the SuperKick (but I freaking HATE the name) and have them as batters on my 20" and my 22". For the 70s no front head you do want a good bit of muffling, and thus the head matters less. I REALLY like old feather pillows that have gone pretty flat from use. They have a nice density and maneuvering is easy. I've got a couple and like them better than anything inside a BD. On Sara Quah's Taking Me Back I put one of those pillows on top of a folded packing blanket with 2 bricks and then put an M88 pointed right at the beater. That paired with Hydraulic heads on the toms and Coated Emperors with a muffling donut on snares and it's the sound of all those classic 70s LA records.
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Post by doubledog on Jan 18, 2024 8:38:06 GMT -6
I mentioned earlier using the front head but putting a towel/blanket against it. I did just that here: themthatknow.bandcamp.com/track/whiskey-and-fistfightsdrums were a vintage Ludwig 13/16/22 (and Supraphonic LM400 14x5 snare) so the kick was a 22x14. Had a coated Powerstroke 3 and a front head with a port (newer Remo I think). Small towel inside just barely touching the heads (the normal setup) Kick mic was a Telefunken M82. Then I laid bath towels against both the batter and resonant heads (on the outside of the drum). Toms and snare had "tea towels" (which were just bandanas clipped on with binder clips). Pretty sure the tom mics were 421s and snare probably an M80. It was a pretty quick way to switch to a 70's-ish sound (at least I thought so) without having to remove heads or even retune everything. Just pop em on and off.
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Post by bikescene on Jan 18, 2024 14:26:16 GMT -6
Thanks for the info everyone. I do have a Powerstroke 3 on order. I’m going to play around with the existing Superkick in the mean time. It’ll ultimately be a bit of experimentation on my end, after primarily working with ported kicks.
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Post by okcrecording on Jan 18, 2024 14:32:12 GMT -6
Thanks for the info everyone. I do have a Powerstroke 3 on order. I’m going to play around with the existing Superkick in the mean time. It’ll ultimately be a bit of experimentation on my end, after primarily working with ported kicks. Nice, im sure everyone would love to hear some tracks if you ever get the chance! Above all, have fun with it.
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