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Post by indiehouse on Jan 9, 2024 10:40:57 GMT -6
I have been having great results with cutting my guitarist with a di into a Suhr reactive load and then IRs... I can reamp later and he still gets the feel he likes during tracking. Are you splitting from the DI? What DI are you using? I've got Dan's Zod DI, but the thru sounds like crap. I think he said it was meant for a tuner, and something about the thru is basically a direct mult (not Buffered) so you are weighing down the input impedance of the main signal. In order for that to not be the issue you would have to use a buffer. |
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Post by nomatic on Jan 9, 2024 10:47:20 GMT -6
Countryman..
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Post by ragan on Jan 9, 2024 11:01:44 GMT -6
I use a Countryman with my Suhr RL too. Sounds great.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 13, 2024 15:41:42 GMT -6
I use a Countryman with my Suhr RL too. Sounds great. So, I just dusted off my Countryman to try this out - Guitar -> Countryman with mic output going to interface and the amp thru going to the pedalboard -> amp -> Suhr RL. Basically, splitting the guitar signal at the DI. I'm hearing a slight loss of highs when the signal is split vs not split. Are you hearing that? Does it bother you? |
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jan 14, 2024 15:03:03 GMT -6
8 x Countryman here, used for DI split on every guitar track, re-amped later if need be.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 14, 2024 17:32:28 GMT -6
8 x Countryman here, used for DI split on every guitar track, re-amped later if need be. Are you going from Countryman straight to interface? Any loss of high end? |
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Post by ragan on Jan 14, 2024 23:30:56 GMT -6
I use a Countryman with my Suhr RL too. Sounds great. So, I just dusted off my Countryman to try this out - Guitar -> Countryman with mic output going to interface and the amp thru going to the pedalboard -> amp -> Suhr RL. Basically, splitting the guitar signal at the DI. I'm hearing a slight loss of highs when the signal is split vs not split. Are you hearing that? Does it bother you? What is the "not split" signal path here? I haven't noticed any issues with the high end, but I'm not sure I've compared what you're comparing. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 15, 2024 13:47:30 GMT -6
So, I just dusted off my Countryman to try this out - Guitar -> Countryman with mic output going to interface and the amp thru going to the pedalboard -> amp -> Suhr RL. Basically, splitting the guitar signal at the DI. I'm hearing a slight loss of highs when the signal is split vs not split. Are you hearing that? Does it bother you? What is the "not split" signal path here? I haven't noticed any issues with the high end, but I'm not sure I've compared what you're comparing. So, here's what I mean. My guitar is plugged straight into the INST. input, and split out to my amp via the AMP. thru.  When I unplug the AMP., my direct guitar tone gets noticeably brighter. Here's a sound clip I made strumming a G chord. The first is both cables plugged in, the second is just the INST. cable, not splitting out to amp. https%3A//soundcloud.com/adamjmonk/countryman-test%3Fsi%3D3cc98409f7184e938b90f0557779f4e0%26amp%3Butm_source%3Dclipboard%26amp%3Butm_medium%3Dtext%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dsocial_sharingon.soundcloud.com/Y8Zfdo7mCfHxuFMC8 |
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Post by niklas1073 on Jan 15, 2024 14:05:12 GMT -6
Scrolled thru the thread and probably missed alot and someone probably already went down this road… but. I don’t think there is a state of the art quiet way of tracking an amp. It will all be just a substitute/compromise sub par to what you want it to be. The source is everything for great tracking. The IR’s are just snapshots of a given moment, loads are killing half of your tone which is your speaker working hard. Despite i’m really impressed by the uad ox and the emulation pedals and the ox speaker emulation it still will kill the performance for me at least. The constant interaction between a fairly loud amp and the guitar is such a great part of the playing, the controlled feedback, tone adjustment, sporadic noises is what makes a guitar sound real and a player sound like him/herself. I could not imagine taking this factor out from the production for silent tracking.
And then again, there are many ways of silent tracking but they will all come at a great cost.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 15, 2024 14:07:16 GMT -6
So I just did a test where I put a buffer (a buffered pedal) in between my guitar and the Countryman DI. This time, there is no tonal loss when splitting out to amp. No high end loss. Interesting. Are you getting that as well? I guess I need to use a buffer if I want to split my signal.
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Post by christopher on Jan 15, 2024 15:15:34 GMT -6
This reminds me that I have never tried the UTA Vari-cap cable
The video he posted long ago demonstrates why many cables sound so different. Since you mention loss of highs, it just reminded me. Some great mystery for me is solved if his video is accurate. I wonder if cable length or type is at play?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 15, 2024 16:00:22 GMT -6
This reminds me that I have never tried the UTA Vari-cap cable The video he posted long ago demonstrates why many cables sound so different. Since you mention loss of highs, it just reminded me. Some great mystery for me is solved if his video is accurate. I wonder if cable length or type is at play? I think it needs buffered? |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 15, 2024 22:35:36 GMT -6
So I just did a test where I put a buffer (a buffered pedal) in between my guitar and the Countryman DI. This time, there is no tonal loss when splitting out to amp. No high end loss. Interesting. Are you getting that as well? I guess I need to use a buffer if I want to split my signal. This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Or a buffered splitter. Or mod an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a buffer (several shops offer this) so you can split the signal there. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 16, 2024 5:15:35 GMT -6
So I just did a test where I put a buffer (a buffered pedal) in between my guitar and the Countryman DI. This time, there is no tonal loss when splitting out to amp. No high end loss. Interesting. Are you getting that as well? I guess I need to use a buffer if I want to split my signal. This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Or a buffered splitter. Or mod an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a buffer (several shops offer this) so you can split the signal there. I guess my ultimate question is, is this normal? And if so, why is no one else doing this? Or am I experiencing an issue that no one else is? And if so, why? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 16, 2024 10:24:11 GMT -6
Tracked scratch guitar parts through a Fender Mustang GT 100 last night at my studio. Sounded pretty damn convincing I must say just running through the outputs with the speaker silent. Speaker not that bad either.
I had never heard one of these new modeling amps before and I'm pretty impressed. They've come a long way since I last listened (like 12 years ago).
And for our purposes? Splitting the signal for a clean DI and re-amping that later? Couldn't really ask for better, certainly outperformed any plugins I have.
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Post by christopher on Jan 16, 2024 13:57:37 GMT -6
I guess my ultimate question is, is this normal? And if so, why is no one else doing this? Or am I experiencing an issue that no one else is? And if so, why? The cable ‘tone’ issue is why I don’t use buffers often, or even pedals. I like straight into amp for purist tone. Yeah I’m one of those crazy guys I guess... also less crap to go wrong. Try shortest cables first: patch cables. With best build quality. See if that fixes it? A passive split with two 10 foot cables is like swapping to a 20ft one. And of questionable build/capacitance, well one person has one experience, someone else has another. And a buffer could probably fix it I’m sure |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 16, 2024 14:11:46 GMT -6
I just picked up a UA Ruby to go into the Daw. That and a pair of headphones and off I go. Is it the same as plugging into a a good AC30 moving some air? Of course not. Time will tell if it’s a keeper for me, so we shall see. The Iridium has been banished to late nice practice status for now.
JK did you have the Ruby? For some reason I think you did, but I may be confused.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 16, 2024 16:37:45 GMT -6
This is exactly what I was going to suggest. Or a buffered splitter. Or mod an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a buffer (several shops offer this) so you can split the signal there. I guess my ultimate question is, is this normal? And if so, why is no one else doing this? Or am I experiencing an issue that no one else is? And if so, why? At least as far as I'm concerned, yeah, it's normal. It's the same kind of thing that happens if you try to split a mic to two different preamps: Each preamp is seeing a different load than what it would've seen if you hadn't split the signal. If you were playing an active guitar you likely wouldn't have to worry about this, as in effect it has the buffer onboard the instrument. But for passive guitars, yeah. Now, do different buffers sound different? IME the answer to that is also yes. But once you find a buffer you like (and you may have already done so), you should be good to go. I do find a good buffered splitter can be helpful in this situation, b/c you send one side of the output to your amp, and one side to your DI. You can even put your pedalboard on the amp side and not record those effects to the DI (for instance). Same thing has been true IME when splitting my pedalboard to two amps at once, btw. It needs a good final buffered splitter to really sing. I usually use a buffered stereo tremolo in that case like the Fulltone Supa-Trem2 or the Seymour Duncan Shapeshifter to get panning between the two amps. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 16, 2024 20:59:45 GMT -6
goodwoodaudio.com/Goodwood Audio makes some cool products to address various needs that guitarists have, buffers and junction/splitter boxes being among them. I have the Interfacer. It's pretty neat. They will also custom make you just about anything you want, from what I understand.
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Post by Quint on Jan 31, 2024 1:21:46 GMT -6
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Post by mattbroiler on Jan 31, 2024 9:13:06 GMT -6
Yeah that looks like a very useful piece of kit. I really like the Palmer passive monitor controller I have and it was inexpensive. Nice appearance too with wood side panels.
I hope this new product comes in at a reasonable price, we'll see.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2024 10:42:03 GMT -6
I just picked up a UA Ruby to go into the Daw. That and a pair of headphones and off I go. Is it the same as plugging into a a good AC30 moving some air? Of course not. Time will tell if it’s a keeper for me, so we shall see. The Iridium has been banished to late nice practice status for now. JK did you have the Ruby? For some reason I think you did, but I may be confused. Cheers, Geoff I’ve had the Ruby and Dream. Thought both were great. But I went back to AxeFX3 (bought Svart’s) and I had forgotten how freaking amazing these things are. And it gets better every iteration (otherwise known as firmware Friday.) I’m doing a blues record right now and this thing is just disgustingly good with edge of breakup. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 31, 2024 12:47:43 GMT -6
I just picked up a UA Ruby to go into the Daw. That and a pair of headphones and off I go. Is it the same as plugging into a a good AC30 moving some air? Of course not. Time will tell if it’s a keeper for me, so we shall see. The Iridium has been banished to late nice practice status for now. JK did you have the Ruby? For some reason I think you did, but I may be confused. Cheers, Geoff I’ve had the Ruby and Dream. Thought both were great. But I went back to AxeFX3 (bought Svart’s) and I had forgotten how freaking amazing these things are. And it gets better every iteration (otherwise known as firmware Friday.) I’m doing a blues record right now and this thing is just disgustingly good with edge of breakup. The weakness of every sim I’ve tried is they never get the edge of break up like a tube amp and the touch response right. I’ll have to demo the AceFX3 - I’ve never had the pleasure of using one. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2024 13:07:32 GMT -6
I’ve had the Ruby and Dream. Thought both were great. But I went back to AxeFX3 (bought Svart’s) and I had forgotten how freaking amazing these things are. And it gets better every iteration (otherwise known as firmware Friday.) I’m doing a blues record right now and this thing is just disgustingly good with edge of breakup. The weakness of every sim I’ve tried is they never get the edge of break up like a tube amp and the touch response right. I’ll have to demo the AceFX3 - I’ve never had the pleasure of using one. Nothing is going to have the amp in the room feel. It would if you were running it to an frfr speaker, though. It probably doesn’t have the complete dynamic range of a real amp, but it’s pretty damn close to me. I would never be able to own a Tweed Champ, Twin, Deluxe and Bassman, Brownface Super, Concert, Princeton, Blackface/Silverface Deluxe, Vibroverb, Super, Twin, vibroking…then all the Supros and Gibson’s…not to mention all the Vox’s, Matchless, Dumble, /13, Morgan…the list goes on. And I don’t hear the sameness I hear with Kemper and to a lesser degree, Tonex. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 31, 2024 14:06:53 GMT -6
I’d love to hear some fresh clips Johnkenn. I’ve liked the ones you’ve posted before, but I have felt like there was a commonality to the sound. |
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