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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 22:17:35 GMT -6
Guys, any feedback on the R24 or BLA AM/CH1 EQ's?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 14, 2014 22:49:12 GMT -6
I was gonna ask about the great river Harrison 500 piece.
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Post by mulmany on Jul 15, 2014 7:40:08 GMT -6
Guys, any feedback on the R24 or BLA AM/CH1 EQ's? Cowboy had one he just sold in the classifieds. I have the 500 series version. It's nice... got a good deal on a pair. .. knobs are a pain though on the 500. They needed to use smaller diameter knobs for the 500.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 7:42:49 GMT -6
I have another R24 in my sites, with his gone but I have a question - does the lack of shelving bother you?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 15, 2014 8:47:58 GMT -6
What are you looking for in an EQ? I had a BLA and sold it. Didn't like how it sat on the 2 buss. Too colored for my taste. Just inserting it into the chain imparted a lot of color and felt like it made my mix dull. Really "vintage" sounding and just didn't work for me. I did think it sounded cool on guitars and a couple of individual sources, but wasn't what I was looking for in an eq. Much happier with the Summit EQP-200. If you're looking for inexpensive (at least used, pretty expensive new), flexible, clean, and with filters... realgearonline.com/thread/856/apogee-sound-stereo-dual-mono
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 10:28:53 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure I like the "extra" color upon insertion. I don't mind some.
I want to be able to add beef on the bottom and air when needed and be able to clean things up as needed. I did think about your apogee but haven't seen any feedback elsewhere about it. There's not a lot of info on its use in a studio.
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Post by mulmany on Jul 15, 2014 10:50:01 GMT -6
I have another R24 in my sites, with his gone but I have a question - does the lack of shelving bother you? I would prefer switch able shelving, but it is pretty musical so I don't really notice the lack. I have mostly used them on buss duties.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 15, 2014 10:51:11 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure I like the "extra" color upon insertion. I don't mind some. I want to be able to add beef on the bottom and air when needed and be able to clean things up as needed. I did think about your apogee but haven't seen any feedback elsewhere about it. There's not a lot of info on its use in a studio. I assume that you're looking for something for the mix buss mainly? If that's the case, I wouldn't suggest the BLA. Felt a bit wooly and I couldn't really find the sweet spot with the q for the different bands. The Summit that I picked up does just the sweetening that I was looking for on the 2 buss. Agreed about the Apogee. There is almost no info around about it. It's basically a clean sound that can get surgical. I really like the filters on it, but it's more complex than I need and I don't have enough rack space to keep it. If my studio space was bigger, I'd be hanging onto it for sure. Anyway, good luck with the pickup.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 20:06:46 GMT -6
Found a great deal on a pair of electra modules but just found that the low shelf is @ 350. W??T???... ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 20:09:03 GMT -6
Also found the AM-20 EQ's... ridiculous price but no real info.
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Post by gouge on Jul 15, 2014 20:44:48 GMT -6
maybe check out the aphex 500 series eq (not heard one yet)
other than that german filtek eq are pretty good on masterbuss. just running signal through them tightens the bottom and adds a little punch. they don't have shelves however you can do a broad Q at 18k or 50hz and then use the variable high and low pass.
another option is the speck eq. I haven't used one but have heard samples and it sounds very nice to me.
for beef and air the purple lilpqr is hard to beat,
maybe you need 2 eq's.
a tc electronic 2240 as a fixer upper then a lilpqr for the beef and air.
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 15, 2014 22:41:19 GMT -6
Found a great deal on a pair of electra modules but just found that the low shelf is @ 350. W??T???... ? Electra's are really really nice sounding EQ's. The highend is really smooth and you can really dig in with that eq. I never had a pair for the buss, but I wish I would had because I can really see them being a good option for the buss. They are very clean eq's, and the hpf and low shelf work together to make some interesting combo's, I'm not really sure what is happening when you do engage the hpf, but it does have some sort of effect on the low shelf. I remember the low shelf boost sounding really nice as well. The make the rack version with two modules in it, maybe look around for one of those, I might even keep that at the back of my mind actually, I never really thought about it until now 8)
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 15, 2014 23:56:20 GMT -6
The GR Harrison's are really nice eq's. They are not mid range. They are high end like everything GR does.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jul 16, 2014 3:00:49 GMT -6
Found a great deal on a pair of electra modules but just found that the low shelf is @ 350. W??T???... ? Electra's are really really nice sounding EQ's. The highend is really smooth and you can really dig in with that eq. I never had a pair for the buss, but I wish I would had because I can really see them being a good option for the buss. They are very clean eq's, and the hpf and low shelf work together to make some interesting combo's, I'm not really sure what is happening when you do engage the hpf, but it does have some sort of effect on the low shelf. I remember the low shelf boost sounding really nice as well. The make the rack version with two modules in it, maybe look around for one of those, I might even keep that at the back of my mind actually, I never really thought about it until now 8) I love the Electras. Got a pair here and have found that they can be used on about anything. I think this has to do with their clean nature and, obviously, the curves. Not much color in these at all. Some judicious sculpting at a few eq points can bring a sense of focus to a track that I've never been able to achieve ITB. I can also get there more quickly than any software eq. Not trying to start a software vs hardware debate - this is just my experience with these. These get a lot of love on drums and they'll shine there all day long but you can do so much more. The lo-cut and hi shelf filters are beautiful. Hi end is very smooth and can add very nice air when needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 6:11:24 GMT -6
Have you guys had problems getting what you want from a kick with the Electra considering the low shelf is so high?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 6:13:55 GMT -6
I realize too I've expanded a bit beyond mid level. Another I see a deal on os the Tonelux Equalux. Anyone have any experience?
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Post by odyssey76 on Jul 16, 2014 10:25:17 GMT -6
Have you guys had problems getting what you want from a kick with the Electra considering the low shelf is so high? I honestly haven't eq'd kick with the low shelf. I like to use the low mid band and then take the output to a compressor. If you want I'd be happy to take a kick track (real drum - no samples) and run it through with various settings. Let me know - won't be today but could do it tomorrow night. Couple things I forgot to mention about the Electras - they're not good for surgical cuts. The Q is simply not narrow enough although I've found you can "fix" stuff by boosting sometimes with this eq which usually doesn't work for me. Also, they're $550 a piece so the price is mid-level but sound is high end all the way IMO.
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 16, 2014 13:43:02 GMT -6
Have you guys had problems getting what you want from a kick with the Electra considering the low shelf is so high? Let me just say that when I had my electra, I was able to go way below 350hz.... I'm not positive on what that means really, it would probably be best to get in touch with Greg and ask him to elaborate further on this eq, I would hate to make assumptions, but it's not like the lowest frequency you can boost is 350hz. I was able to add plenty of sub with mine, and I remember it being quite punchy too. He's pretty quick about sending an email back, I would definitely hop on thehouseofkush.com and shoot him an email about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 13:44:14 GMT -6
Thanks Jerome. I did and didn't get him. I know he would have answered with more depth. I hear you about your usage too. Thanks for speaking up. I appreciate it
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 16, 2014 14:05:44 GMT -6
Thanks Jerome. I did and didn't get him. I know he would have answered with more depth. I hear you about your usage too. Thanks for speaking up. I appreciate it BradM can probably give you some additional info about the Electra. I think he worked on the design.
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Post by BradM on Jul 16, 2014 20:55:03 GMT -6
Hey guys! Let me first say that I'm continually humbled by all the Electra love. It really means a lot to me that people are having the same kinds of positive experiences with this box that I have when I use it myself. And it never ceases to amaze me that random stangers I've never met are creating art or making their living using something I participated in creating. As Jesse mentioned, I was indeed involved in the design of the Electra--I designed the circuit. I'm happy to answer any questions anyone might have (technical, applications, etc.) and/or share my insight into design. Regarding the low shelf... The initial prototype of the Electra didn't have the low shelf. Instead it had a rotary fader. But as soon as I built the first prototype and started using it I really felt like I was missing a band, especially when doing any low frequency EQ'ing. So I came up with the fixed frequency low shelf idea, figured out how I could make it switchable with the fader, and presented the idea to Greg. That one frequency for the low shelf was probably the area where we did the most tweaking. Greg wanted to add a little resonance to the HPF, so we kept going back and forth tweaking the amount of resonance and the corner frequency of the shelf until they worked together in a really synergistic way. We must have gone back and forth like 3 or 4 times debating the merits of X frequency and Y resonance until we agreed that "a HPF should not make one cross" (haha) and arrived at the combination that you have on the production version. In the end it was a compromise of both our aesthetics, but one which ultimately yielded a lot of versatility and effectiveness. The frequency, however, was something we never quite had concensus on. We definitely agreed on where it was and what the component values should be, but just not what to call it in the spec sheet. I personally wanted to call it a 90 Hz shelf because that's how my ears hear it (I was also extrapolating the curve as if it could do a 15 dB boost instead of just 9 dB), but Greg measured it a bit differently in the end. So, I wouldn't get too hung up about the low shelf being labelled 350 Hz. What you really need to know is that Greg and I committed ourselves to make it work in lock step with that HPF and low-mid band so that you could carve up the low end in any way imagineable and it would sound bitchin' and yield ear to ear smiles day in, day out. And I think we achieved that. Does it sound really good on a kick drum? Hell yes! Especially if you use the low mid band, or even the high mid band to pull out some of the wooliness. There's a reason that high-mid band starts at 250 Hz. It's a super easy starting point for taking out the crud of drums of all kind. Often after boosting either the low shelf of the low-mid band I just roll back some of the 250 and I'm good. One of my favorite uses of the low shelf is actually for taking meat out of things that are excessively big. It's so effortless to make vocals or acoustic guitars sit in a mix just dialing back that shelf. Instant awesomeness. Brad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 22:12:25 GMT -6
Thanks Brad. I appreciate the info.
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Post by BradM on Jul 18, 2014 0:21:00 GMT -6
You're welcome!
Brad
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