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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2023 12:29:58 GMT -6
Ok, ok, Steiny...I see you. There are some enticing things in this update. Maybe it's time to cut the umbilical on Professional Tools.
Here's a cool vocal vid of some of the new stuff...
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Dec 28, 2023 13:18:32 GMT -6
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Post by ironinthepath on Dec 28, 2023 13:18:32 GMT -6
I only record for my own personal enjoyment and so never needed to satisfy needs of general clients (probably main reason to use pro tools now if I had to guess); have used Cubase since around the year 2000 and never felt the need to switch once I got to know the software well enough. In the very beginning TDM plugins were the main reason I’d have considered switching but once I had Waves Gold and a UAD1 card (ancient!) even that felt like enough with good source material / signal chain. The stock plugins have become quite decent at this point and hard to beat Steinberg on virtual instruments side of things. Cubase definitely worth consideration!
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Post by mcirish on Dec 28, 2023 13:23:52 GMT -6
I use Nuendo, which is pretty much the same as Cubase. Version 13 has a couple really useful features. I've been on Nuendo since version 1 when Apple bought logic and dropped PC support. Version 13 has been good so far and I like the new features. The biggest one for me is the ability to change a track from mono to stereo without a bounce.
Iconica Sketch (that comes with 13) is pretty good for orchestra mockups. I found it so good that I bought the Opus edition of it.
As much as I like testing features in other DAWs, I really just need to be able to get work done fast. I know Nuendo/Cubase very well so it's my choice. My clients don't care what I work in and I never do session swaping with other studios, so I have no need to be on PT. Maybe it's a little bit boredom that makes me always try various options, when I already have something that works. :-)
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 28, 2023 15:18:01 GMT -6
Cubase is great, its more similar to Logic than PT. That said, they're all great. "Use what you like most" is my motto.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 18:53:20 GMT -6
Cubase is Logic if Logic was logically designed.
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Post by reddirt on Dec 28, 2023 19:29:51 GMT -6
How's cubase with silicon Macs
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2023 21:00:59 GMT -6
Man this mix took me forever...even though I started in Cubase years ago and am familiar with it.
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Dec 28, 2023 21:02:27 GMT -6
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Post by mcirish on Dec 28, 2023 21:02:27 GMT -6
What was slowing you down John?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2023 21:33:03 GMT -6
Ok, ok, Steiny...I see you. There are some enticing things in this update. Maybe it's time to cut the umbilical on Professional Tools. Here's a cool vocal vid of some of the new stuff... I've been trying to tell for years! Steiny!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2023 21:33:53 GMT -6
The client’s session was done in Cubase, so I thought this would be a good time to update from 12 to 13. Updated. Had a shiiiiiiit load of issues with the steinberg library manager. Nothing worked. So I couldn’t download any content. Sweetwater had no idea and dude claims he was going to get in touch with steinberg. After all that, I’m slow as hell in Cubase because I never use it. Took me 5 hours but I was going slow checking out features and stuff. I finally bounced and it crashed right at the end of it. I was going to bounce again - but nothing saved and I just lost 5 hours of work. The bounce worked, but I have no session. Auto save was inexplicably set to off. So if there are any changes, I get to remix it.
This is the second time this has happened to me with Cubase. Didn’t occur to me to save because I’ve got PT set to save ever two minutes. I will NEVER work in Cubase again. Never.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2023 21:55:03 GMT -6
What was slowing you down John? Just shit like “how do I align this in Cubase?” How do I offline process? “So now orange is pre fader? Used to be blue…” “What’s this steinberg sound like?” “Oh - it didn’t open using Rosetta. Are all the plugs I need going to be there?” “I need a piano…need to download Keyscape.” “Need strings - wonder what the Cubase iconica thing sounds like?” (I never found out because it won’t fucking work on my Mac from 2022 for some reason.) I’m just beyond pissed at the moment. Lesson learned. |
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Post by allbuttonmode on Dec 29, 2023 2:49:31 GMT -6
I will NEVER work in Cubase again. Never.
This is how I feel about ProTools. If I as much as see the ProTools GUI, my heart rate goes up by an alarming rate. It is THE worst piece of shit software on the face of the earth.
I guess if you belong to either the Cubase or ProTools camp, you will never get along with the other DAW.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 29, 2023 5:10:02 GMT -6
I will NEVER work in Cubase again. Never.
This is how I feel about ProTools. If I as much as see the ProTools GUI, my heart rate goes up by an alarming rate. It is THE worst piece of shit software on the face of the earth.
I guess if you belong to either the Cubase or ProTools camp, you will never get along with the other DAW.
I demoed Pro Tools recently and thought this is just an awful app - nothing about it is intuitive to my approach to workflow - I find it to have a high congnative load when it comes to composing music. But if you’ve used it for many years and are an engineer as a passion then I guess it’s the fortunate/ unfortunate (delete as applicable) industry standard. For a composer, songwriter is beyond dreadful imho. Cubase 13 Pro on the other hand on my new 13900K PC Audio workstation is absolutely fantastic (I greatly dislike Cubase on Mac - its performance just isn’t there ime). I can virtually touch type music in Cubase 13 - it is so fast and initiative and the low latency performance is truly superb on my system. When my Pro Tools friends watch me arranging in real time in Cubase using my Launchpad as a 64 key shortcut pad - they look blown away by the speed of operation. Cubase’s MIDI Remote Manager is nothing short of genius - any device that outputs MIDI can become a remote control. I have 5 different devices - Faderport 16, Console 1, Behringer X Touch mini, Launchpad mini and Creative Console - all set up as deep dive MIDI remotes and writing, arranging, mixing is beyond fluid. Pro Tools is back in the Stone Age in comparison from my point of view. I use Cubase, Dorico, Wavelsb for a plans to plaster music production system. I won’t ever change now, it’s reached a superb point for me where my DAW has become invisible. |
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Dec 29, 2023 9:19:51 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2023 9:19:51 GMT -6
All I ask is for a piece of software not to crash. This software is incapable of doing that.
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Dec 29, 2023 9:28:31 GMT -6
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 29, 2023 9:28:31 GMT -6
All I ask is for a piece of software not to crash. This software is incapable of doing that. what computer and OS are you running? I’m on Cubase 12, and I’ve been hesitant to upgrade to 13 as C12 is running great on my current system. |
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Post by jaba on Dec 29, 2023 9:51:09 GMT -6
I know and use both PT and Cubase but am mostly on Cubase now for mixing.
Both do more/less the same thing and do it well. I've also had both crash/glitch but once they're set up and playing well with the hardware they can be damn solid. Can't speak to Cubase 13 though, but I'd never move to a new version of software until it's at least a year in with a few rounds of updates.
With C13 can you now save/load External Instrument presets? That's my biggest complaint (I'm still on C9) - now that I have more hardware inserts, not being able to load their hardware in/outs is a time suck when they reset (from opening an session that has different settings).
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 29, 2023 10:21:01 GMT -6
All I ask is for a piece of software not to crash. This software is incapable of doing that. PC vs Mac I fear when it comes Cubase. Cubase on my PC built for audio PC workstation never ever crashes even running huge projects - running literally dozens of huge rompler VI’s and huge numbers of projects. It is 100% stable and I can tell you John, if it wasn’t I’d be the first to dump it, as I have zero tolerance for DAW / computer hassles, IME Logic runs superbly on OSX. |
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Dec 29, 2023 10:24:15 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2023 10:24:15 GMT -6
All I ask is for a piece of software not to crash. This software is incapable of doing that. what computer and OS are you running? I’m on Cubase 12, and I’ve been hesitant to upgrade to 13 as C12 is running great on my current system. 2022 Mac Studio Max Ventura Everything ran fine for hours. But the second bounce crashed it. |
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Dec 29, 2023 10:37:27 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2023 10:37:27 GMT -6
I was just pissed off…they all have their advantages and disadvantages. I’m definitely fastest in PT…and other than auto hardware delay comp, I can’t think of much you can’t do with it. It’s been rock solid for me for around 5 years.
My last two mixes in Cubase (several years apart) ended in crashes without backups. You would think I would have saved, right? Totally wasn’t thinking about it. It was also one of those mixes I thought, “oh I can knock this out in an hour…” and then for various reasons (how do you do this, what’s the shortcut for that, etc) I ended up working on it for about 5 hours. I just can’t believe auto save isn’t on by default.
There are also a lot of little things in Cubase that annoy me. Why can’t I rearrange tracks in the mixer window? You can’t. Why does it take me more steps to just add an aux channel? Why can’t I move my aux/group channels to be next to the actual group instead of all of them to the right? Why can’t command z undo mixer moves? Why is there not a freaking smart tool? (Yes I know about the right click). I’m sure I’d get used to it if I used it all the time, but if I can’t trust it, I can’t use it.
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Post by phantom on Dec 29, 2023 11:09:57 GMT -6
I'll be on Pro Tools for the rest of my life.
Best DAW out there for a huge margin.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 29, 2023 12:08:21 GMT -6
All I ask is for a piece of software not to crash. This software is incapable of doing that. what computer and OS are you running? I’m on Cubase 12, and I’ve been hesitant to upgrade to 13 as C12 is running great on my current system. I still go back and forth between 9.5 and 11 (different for certain things). I'm also hesitant to mess with a stable system like you. The old adage, if it ain't broke, dont fix it. My computer is so old I couldn't upgrade if I wanted to lol. |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 29, 2023 12:31:21 GMT -6
Reading this thread, I aways think ….
We’re so lucky there’s such a wide selection of DAW’s on the market.
If ever a saying applied to DAW’s it’s,
“One man’s junk is another man’s treasure”
I went through a lot of DAW’s to end up using my perfect DAW. Sometimes people find it straight away, for others it’s a journey.
There’s no need for anyone to be using a DAW they don’t like.
I get projects sometimes in Ableton, Logic etc.
I can get work done in them, usually a transfer of audio and MIDI out to Cubase.
But my natural home is Cubase, if I was a programmer and had the skills to write my own DAW it would be almost the same as Cubase, Steinberg seem to understand what a composer needs and how to allow the DAW to become invisible and not interupt the creative flow.
For others it’s a different app.
We live in a great age for making music!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2023 14:37:19 GMT -6
Remixed today. Everything went fine and I was faster after getting reacquainted…
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Post by mcirish on Dec 29, 2023 21:55:29 GMT -6
I'd just stick with whatever works. They all can do similar things. The biggest issues are just figuring out how they do the same task in a different way. Honestly, Reaper has been the biggest head-scratcher for me. I know it's powerful and not bloated, but I just can't wrap my head around how they do things. I'm much more at home in almost any other DAW. In the end, I don't really care which one I use just as long as it has the tools I need to get stuff done. I've just got so used to nuendo/Cubase that I don't see any reason to switch. (though it's still fun to mess with others when I have downtime)
Variaudio, Audio Warp and Spectralayers get used a ton on every session. Those keep me with Steinberg. Before that, I'd have to use something like Melodyne and RX to get the job done.
Oh one last thing. I had a ton of crashes with Nuendo 13 and I was super frustrated. It ended up being the newest version of Sonarworks that caused the crashes. Went back to the beta that came out over the summer and I have not had a single crash in over a week. Sonarworks is aware they have a bad bug. They were the ones to tell me to load in the old beta. Took a while to figure that one out because there was no DMP file because Sonarworks caused a "poof" type crash.
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Post by nicksteinborn on Dec 29, 2023 22:23:19 GMT -6
Cubase 13 has been pretty stable for me using it the last few weeks. It just hangs up on the open project screen every third time I start it but runs perfectly fine after I end task/restart it. Not sure why. 12 was/is super stable for me. Any issues in the past were generally a random freeware/new plugin causing issues. Annoying to sus that kind of stuff out, but I've been in a stable spot for a while. I've heard the Mac version isn't as stable.
My biggest gripe with Cubase has been the progression into higher and higher contrast color schemes from version to version without any real options to fix it in the settings. It does a number on my eyes when I'm working for hours. 13 seemed to be even worse with that, but hopefully they'll take some of the feedback I've seen online and tone it back a bit. Or I'll just deal and put more effort into resting my eyes I guess. Pro Tools always looks much gentler when I end up working in it. I've tried multiple times to match the track colors in Cubase, but they always seem to have a lot more zing/eye burn no matter what I do.
Variaudio and Audiowarp in the edit/mixer window are just so god damn convenient that I'm hesitant to dig into a new workflow. Am tempted to have Pro Tools around just because, but I can't bring myself to buy a license/get a sub. Yet.
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