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Radar iz24
Dec 23, 2023 12:13:54 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2023 12:13:54 GMT -6
Which converter modules fit in this and what do they cost ?
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Post by nobtwiddler on Dec 23, 2023 13:56:39 GMT -6
Here ya go..
Classic 96, with big rock and roll sound. $1995. up to 96khz
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Ultra Nyquist, $2495. 18 channels up to 192khz with lower noise and more air.
These are for 8 channels.
Trust me, all you will ever need is the Classic convertors!
I've owned 5 unit with the classic convertors, and they rocked!
Still have three, but these have the ultra Nyquist..
GO for the Classic.
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Radar iz24
Dec 23, 2023 14:01:56 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2023 14:01:56 GMT -6
Thx!
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Radar iz24
Dec 23, 2023 14:32:04 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2023 14:32:04 GMT -6
Here ya go.. Classic 96, with big rock and roll sound. $1995. up to 96khz or Ultra Nyquist, $2495. 18 channels up to 192khz with lower noise and more air. These are for 8 channels. Trust me, all you will ever need is the Classic convertors! I've owned 5 unit with the classic convertors, and they rocked! Still have three, but these have the ultra Nyquist.. GO for the Classic. Yup, but original Nyquist are pretty good as well. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 23, 2023 14:54:29 GMT -6
Are those Classic 96 cards not entering an age where they will be in need of a recap?
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Post by nobtwiddler on Dec 23, 2023 15:23:00 GMT -6
Eric
"Yup, but original Nyquist are pretty good as well."
They are, but not offered anymore from IZ, although you could get them used~!
Quint,
You know, I really have no idea...I never had any of mine replaced, but then again, they are the newer cards.
But as far as I know, (I sold all the old machines to friends) my 5 x Radar II's are all still working, without a hitch...
SO who knows?
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 23, 2023 16:19:30 GMT -6
Are those Classic 96 cards not entering an age where they will be in need of a recap?
Holy capacitors Batman!
yea I would be making a dc coupled mod if these were the mainstream thing. That's for sure.
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Post by spindrift on Dec 23, 2023 16:25:06 GMT -6
To Clarify:
The Classic cards go up to 48/24….GREAT for rock! ($750 ish used for 8ch?) A lot of Daniel Lanois productions were done with these cards and RADAR 24 chassis.
The Nyquist (I and ver II)go up to 96/24….great converters ($1000 - $1250 used for 8ch)
Anything above 96K requires the Adrenaline Plus card if I recall correctly.
S-Nyquist up to 192/24 (have never heard them so can’t comment…probably fetching around $1000 used for 8ch)
The current production cards are:
Classic 96 and they go up to 96/24….think of the Classic card sound w/ higher sample rate. (pricing at izcorp.com)
Ultra-Nyquist up to 192/24…this is the converter I chose to standardize on and run 56ch of it in various RADAR interfaces and units. Outstanding converters! ($2500 for 8ch new if I remember right).
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Post by drumsound on Dec 23, 2023 19:34:05 GMT -6
Here ya go.. Classic 96, with big rock and roll sound. $1995. up to 96khz or Ultra Nyquist, $2495. 18 channels up to 192khz with lower noise and more air. These are for 8 channels. Trust me, all you will ever need is the Classic convertors! I've owned 5 unit with the classic convertors, and they rocked! Still have three, but these have the ultra Nyquist.. GO for the Classic. Here ya go.. Classic 96, with big rock and roll sound. $1995. up to 96khz or Ultra Nyquist, $2495. 18 channels up to 192khz with lower noise and more air. These are for 8 channels. Trust me, all you will ever need is the Classic convertors! I've owned 5 unit with the classic convertors, and they rocked! Still have three, but these have the ultra Nyquist.. GO for the Classic. Yup, but original Nyquist are pretty good as well. My RADAR was Nyquist but to record 88.2 or 96 chopped to 12 channels, so I didn't get a chance to use it that way on any rock records. It still sounded great at 44.1 and 48. I did have the S Nyquist on for a review and that sounded amazing. It was the only time that I captured something that sounded exactly like what was coming out of the console. I would save 23-24 as mix channels and I could switch back and fourth from the console stereo or the return from the RADAR and no one could hear the difference at 192K. I love the idea of the converters, and even more the RADAR STUDIO but the company isn't what it once was... But the pricing hasn't changed. |
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Post by spock on Dec 24, 2023 7:41:11 GMT -6
Still Using my RADAR here...Had it new since 2004 and in 2015 upgraded the chassis to the "RADAR Studio". The classic cards went right into the new chassis and still going today.
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 24, 2023 9:16:26 GMT -6
Still Using my RADAR here...Had it new since 2004 and in 2015 upgraded the chassis to the "RADAR Studio". The classic cards went right into the new chassis and still going today.
I like that it doesn't run a junk consumer OS.
The only thing I would have different is linear power supplies separate from the box. Because many switching power supplies don't meet my level of criteria for audio.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Dec 24, 2023 9:36:46 GMT -6
I record at 192 every once in a while, usually for small acoustic projects.
Can get 12 tracks out of my Radar Studio at that rate!
But as I said earlier, I recorded Hundreds of Records on my 5 Radar II machines, with the Classic convertors, and they just sounded right.
Wonderful devices!
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Post by copperx on Dec 24, 2023 23:13:33 GMT -6
I'm curious, what's the bare minimum Radar setup that one needs to record without a DAW? I'd love to have an independent, DAWless recorder. Is there a simple, old, cheap unit that can do it? Is this IZ24 the ticket?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2023 3:11:48 GMT -6
So Studio works with all daws except logic: wtf ?  Workstation mode can run any DAW, excluding Logic. static1.squarespace.com/static/570d497dc2ea51b9b798fed7/t/5f63eaa827c2823bf0e29fd1/1600383656528/RADAR-Studio-brochure.pdfI've thought about radar more than once but I'd need to switch computers, maybe ?, ( I understand that studio has the pc built in), apparently daws, no logic, get the radar system and a controller or use keyboard/mouse to start, seems like a lot of money ? I started the thread as someone locally is selling the base chassis for like $450 cdn, so was curious what the least expensive way of trying radar might be, but after buying a card even used and a decent pc computer, not a cheap demo option. if anyone is interested in the link let me know. |
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Post by miadaudio on Dec 25, 2023 3:37:08 GMT -6
Are those Classic 96 cards not entering an age where they will be in need of a recap? Holy capacitors Batman! yea I would be making a dc coupled mod if these were the mainstream thing. That's for sure. That's not too bad actually, especially if there are only two different cap values, which looks like it. Have you ever seen a card from an SSL desk? |
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 25, 2023 5:05:42 GMT -6
Holy capacitors Batman! yea I would be making a dc coupled mod if these were the mainstream thing. That's for sure. That's not too bad actually, especially if there are only two different cap values, which looks like it. Have you ever seen a card from an SSL desk?
The only real use for the application is for the capacitors is to slope the response. Otherwise its just another point of signal degradation. The best approach would be transformer coupling multi track inputs and DC coupled outputs, plus have two wide band inputs (from wider band transformers) for OTB mixing return. Also, if it has a switching power supply, I would put a linear in, most likely in a different or a full rack case and have better power as well. I do appreciate what they are doing for us: providing a system that isn't dependent on a consumer OS like macOS or Windows 1X. But they should get more input from people like me who have dealt with converters before they were used in this sector. Especially ones like me that recording is a hobby, but work in the industry as a sound tech. Burl asked me and others, why didn't them? Btw, it looks like the example circuit which only suppose to be a demonstration of the converter.
I wouldn't buy a big SSL desk. I think the days of the console are over. I have looked at a new one because someone wanted my opinion, which was, they over complicated their power supply and wiring and didn't apply the correct connector technology when deploying it. Later I found out they began having power supply issues. It isn't hard to build a good mixing board. Just don't use that junk capacitor coupled mic pre circuit in front of it. Which is 99% of all those mic preamp/interfaces suffer from. Besides being connected to a computer that has an unsuitable switching power supply. The only thing I like is the buss compressor that sounds better than their rack mount, but I can make 10 of them for the price they want for 1.
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Post by keymod on Dec 25, 2023 8:17:28 GMT -6
So Studio works with all daws except logic: wtf ? Workstation mode can run any DAW, excluding Logic. static1.squarespace.com/static/570d497dc2ea51b9b798fed7/t/5f63eaa827c2823bf0e29fd1/1600383656528/RADAR-Studio-brochure.pdfI've thought about radar more than once but I'd need to switch computers, maybe ?, ( I understand that studio has the pc built in), apparently daws, no logic, get the radar system and a controller or use keyboard/mouse to start, seems like a lot of money ? I started the thread as someone locally is selling the base chassis for like $450 cdn, so was curious what the least expensive way of trying radar might be, but after buying a card even used and a decent pc computer, not a cheap demo option. if anyone is interested in the link let me know. You don't need a computer at all with a Radar system. It acts like a multi-channel recorder with many daw-like features. You do need a mixer of some sort for playback |
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Post by spindrift on Dec 25, 2023 8:42:37 GMT -6
I’ve owned and used a lot of RADAR systems over the years. Unless you have a console and want to track with a tape workflow…you’ll want the RADAR converter cards in the new Dante chassis. With the Dante chassis, it integrates well with DAWs. If you want to go PT HDX, you’ll need a Focusrite HD32R Dante-HDX interface, otherwise straight Dante networking will get you going.
Integrating the older RADAR 24/V/VI systems into modern DAW workflows is cumbersome and a work-around at best…mainly due to the fact that a channel in the older systems can be in either digital input mode or digital output mode but not both at the same time like modern setups (or the Dante/Radar ADA systems).
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2023 9:30:41 GMT -6
So Studio works with all daws except logic: wtf ? Workstation mode can run any DAW, excluding Logic. static1.squarespace.com/static/570d497dc2ea51b9b798fed7/t/5f63eaa827c2823bf0e29fd1/1600383656528/RADAR-Studio-brochure.pdfI've thought about radar more than once but I'd need to switch computers, maybe ?, ( I understand that studio has the pc built in), apparently daws, no logic, get the radar system and a controller or use keyboard/mouse to start, seems like a lot of money ? I started the thread as someone locally is selling the base chassis for like $450 cdn, so was curious what the least expensive way of trying radar might be, but after buying a card even used and a decent pc computer, not a cheap demo option. if anyone is interested in the link let me know. You don't need a computer at all with a Radar system. It acts like a multi-channel recorder with many daw-like features. You do need a mixer of some sort for playback It was the reference to pc as I use Mac that through me, thrn I realized the pc is integral to radar:,thx! |
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Post by spindrift on Dec 25, 2023 12:44:56 GMT -6
The RADAR Studio is a Windows 8 based system. As a prior owner, I would not recommend it….go Dante.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 25, 2023 13:16:11 GMT -6
So, school me here. What’s the main point of using a Radar system? Are the converters that much better? Does it sound that much better? Are there comparable converters that you can use with a daw? Is the main purpose that it is a tape like workflow?
I’m trying to figure out the benefits of using it when there are so many amazing sounding records that have been made using a traditional daw setup.
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Post by ericn on Dec 25, 2023 14:10:30 GMT -6
So, school me here. What’s the main point of using a Radar system? Are the converters that much better? Does it sound that much better? Are there comparable converters that you can use with a daw? Is the main purpose that it is a tape like workflow? I’m trying to figure out the benefits of using it when there are so many amazing sounding records that have been made using a traditional daw setup. All the above! The current RADAr studio is a Windows based machine that can run the RADAR software or any compatible DAW. If your from the era of tape the controller just feels right. |
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Post by spindrift on Dec 25, 2023 14:28:59 GMT -6
There are three ways to run a RADAR system and benefit from its excellent sonic qualities:
- RADAR 24/V/VI - 24 in and 24 out. You need a board of at least 24ch to hear what you’re doing.
- RADAR Studio - A hybrid system where the converters and your DAW of choice are combined into one unit. I never fully got on with this system and had mine converted to a RADAR VI with a touch screen.
- RADAR converters in an ADA or Dante chassis which act just like other standard external ADDA.
I have a RADAR VI and session controller which is great for a band that wants to track tape workflow with some basic edit functionality…often we fly to PT to edit and do overdubs. Working in this mode with a band who can play is FAST. I also have a portable HDX system which uses the RADAR converters housed in the Dante chassis. The converters sound excellent. I’m sure there are others out there which are great too (Burl etc) but I’m sticking with what I know and what works for getting my sounds. YMMV If you’re RADAR curious, why not give one a demo? I know the Bunker Studio in Brooklyn just went with a full Dante/HDX Ultra-Nyquist system.
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Post by miadaudio on Dec 25, 2023 15:54:15 GMT -6
That's not too bad actually, especially if there are only two different cap values, which looks like it. Have you ever seen a card from an SSL desk? The only real use for the application is for the capacitors is to slope the response. Otherwise its just another point of signal degradation. The best approach would be transformer coupling multi track inputs and DC coupled outputs, plus have two wide band inputs (from wider band transformers) for OTB mixing return. Also, if it has a switching power supply, I would put a linear in, most likely in a different or a full rack case and have better power as well. I do appreciate what they are doing for us: providing a system that isn't dependent on a consumer OS like macOS or Windows 1X. But they should get more input from people like me who have dealt with converters before they were used in this sector. Especially ones like me that recording is a hobby, but work in the industry as a sound tech. Burl asked me and others, why didn't them? Btw, it looks like the example circuit which only suppose to be a demonstration of the converter. I wouldn't buy a big SSL desk. I think the days of the console are over. I have looked at a new one because someone wanted my opinion, which was, they over complicated their power supply and wiring and didn't apply the correct connector technology when deploying it. Later I found out they began having power supply issues. It isn't hard to build a good mixing board. Just don't use that junk capacitor coupled mic pre circuit in front of it. Which is 99% of all those mic preamp/interfaces suffer from. Besides being connected to a computer that has an unsuitable switching power supply. The only thing I like is the buss compressor that sounds better than their rack mount, but I can make 10 of them for the price they want for 1.
OK, fair enough but my point wasn't to address different topology alternatives. I just pointed out that this is a 30-minute recap job (tops) so owners shouldn't be too concerned about it. Anyway, a happy holiday to you all! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 25, 2023 15:58:06 GMT -6
Yup, no biggee!
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