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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2023 2:55:13 GMT -6
Attachment DeletedWas wondering if peeps would like to support a running thread about how they are using SC When I was demoing it before purchase, I realized that the gui showing how you were positioning the mikes in the actual rooms was very helpful for me, not the abstraction of just changing a parameter in other verb plug ins. Tip 1: Getting to know you: Nothing fancy, I am just familiarizing myself with the different default instrument type Mike positions, and then moving them and selecting the different mikes available to get to experience how the verb changes.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2023 3:05:35 GMT -6
Attachment Deleted Here is a preset for plucked acoustic, I noticed the mikes behind the two gobos: Question: why would you want that sound: a really rolled off lower reverb signal
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2023 4:03:45 GMT -6
@johnkenn
I am reading the thread at ua forum and Will says this :
“A special note on the dynamics section: It features six modes of operation, including some of Keith Olsen’s Dolby A enhancement and compression tricks. We found the old Dolby A units in the studio loft, and Sandy let us borrow them for study.“
Was thinking of your other thread here where you talked about the vocal sound on Eagle’s records: maybe SC can get you closer ?
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Post by jono3 on Dec 13, 2023 10:05:02 GMT -6
I have found it really useful to sort out aspects of drum recordings. Specifically, as a mono insert on the second snare mic to add length to the drum without muddying everything up or making it sound like reverb. I have found that the settings ive saved and presets aren't entirely useful out of context, and that you have to spend some time making sure it melds with the source sound. I have been using a combination of re-mic and reverb modes.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 13, 2023 10:39:02 GMT -6
@johnkenn I am reading the thread at ua forum and Will says this : “A special note on the dynamics section: It features six modes of operation, including some of Keith Olsen’s Dolby A enhancement and compression tricks. We found the old Dolby A units in the studio loft, and Sandy let us borrow them for study.“ Was thinking of your other thread here where you talked about the vocal sound on Eagle’s records: maybe SC can get you closer ? I was reading the Dolby thing in the other thread...the only thing I've ever used Dolby A for was to add some top end presence back into a vocal. So are you saying like EQing the top out and then using that to bring it back up? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2023 10:48:29 GMT -6
I just saw the reference and thought of you: maybe check manual.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2023 10:49:15 GMT -6
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Post by robo on Dec 13, 2023 11:28:40 GMT -6
View Attachment Here is a preset for plucked acoustic, I noticed the mikes behind the two gobos: Question: why would you want that sound: a really rolled off lower reverb signal I use mechanical filters all the time for drum room mics. Usually just a gobo, sometimes something thinner like a sweatshirt on a stand. Great way to mellow out cymbal wash and make a space sound deeper. If I had a quieter space I’d probably do it for acoustical instruments more often. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 13, 2023 11:53:51 GMT -6
Yes, understood, but do you also put mike against back of gobo ?
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Post by drumsound on Dec 13, 2023 11:57:20 GMT -6
Yes, understood, but do you also put mike against back of gobo ? Looking at that picture it does seem like the mics are pointed at the hard side of the gobo. Maybe the idea is that you get more 'length' of room sound because the sound goes out into the space, reflects on the opposite wall and the it's reflection on the back of the gobo is caught. I've got a pair of room mics pointed at a wall at a 45º angle near the floor right now, and it's pretty great. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 13, 2023 12:07:06 GMT -6
I won't be able to try the Sound City plug-in for a few days, but I'm looking forward to seeing what others do with it.
I wondered if it would sound better turning the Superior Drummer room mics off. I could in theory use Sound City's room and mics instead.. I think..
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Post by ragan on Dec 13, 2023 12:19:29 GMT -6
I won't be able to try the Sound City plug-in for a few days, but I'm looking forward to seeing what others do with it. I wondered if it would sound better turning the Superior Drummer room mics off. I could in theory use Sound City's room and mics instead.. I think.. I would bet it won’t sound as ‘real’ as SD3’s own room mics. Sending close mic’d recorded signal through a reverb never sounds as real as actual room mics on the actual kit in the room (what you get with SD3). |
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Post by robo on Dec 13, 2023 12:24:45 GMT -6
Yes, understood, but do you also put mike against back of gobo ? Yes, sometimes. I also like to point a mic at the closed door of the drum room. Same idea as pointing a mic at the wall opposite the drums, just a way to get rid of any direct sound. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 13, 2023 14:08:20 GMT -6
I won't be able to try the Sound City plug-in for a few days, but I'm looking forward to seeing what others do with it. I wondered if it would sound better turning the Superior Drummer room mics off. I could in theory use Sound City's room and mics instead.. I think.. I would bet it won’t sound as ‘real’ as SD3’s own room mics. Sending close mic’d recorded signal through a reverb never sounds as real as actual room mics on the actual kit in the room (what you get with SD3). Sometimes sending room mics (or other distance mics as the case may be) to a reverb really helps. |
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Post by ragan on Dec 13, 2023 14:28:37 GMT -6
I would bet it won’t sound as ‘real’ as SD3’s own room mics. Sending close mic’d recorded signal through a reverb never sounds as real as actual room mics on the actual kit in the room (what you get with SD3). Sometimes sending room mics (or other distance mics as the case may be) to a reverb really helps. For sure. For what I do (track in a small, dead room), I have specific mics on the kit that are primarily there because I want to send them into a room ambience. |
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Post by subspace on Dec 13, 2023 16:37:04 GMT -6
75% of the time my drum room mic is a dynamic pointed away from the kit with a gobo running parallel to it, as I usually have a live scratch mic on the other side of the gobo and I don't want my entire drum sound to fall apart when we recut the vocal.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 13, 2023 17:33:32 GMT -6
75% of the time my drum room mic is a dynamic pointed away from the kit with a gobo running parallel to it, as I usually have a live scratch mic on the other side of the gobo and I don't want my entire drum sound to fall apart when we recut the vocal. This is how I came up as well! That feeling when the drum sound loses ambience because the scratch vocals get replaced. Arrived at the same solution. |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 13, 2023 18:13:20 GMT -6
I would bet it won’t sound as ‘real’ as SD3’s own room mics. Sending close mic’d recorded signal through a reverb never sounds as real as actual room mics on the actual kit in the room (what you get with SD3). Sometimes sending room mics (or other distance mics as the case may be) to a reverb really helps. Putting a delay on room mics can be quite effective. I don't do it in tracking (like Albini) but will sometime 'push' the room mics back with an inserted delay. I also don't mind bringing up the feedback. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 13, 2023 19:44:35 GMT -6
Sometimes sending room mics (or other distance mics as the case may be) to a reverb really helps. Putting a delay on room mics can be quite effective. I don't do it in tracking (like Albini) but will sometime 'push' the room mics back with an inserted delay. I also don't mind bringing up the feedback. How many milliseconds are you typically using? |
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Post by drumsound on Dec 14, 2023 11:02:23 GMT -6
Putting a delay on room mics can be quite effective. I don't do it in tracking (like Albini) but will sometime 'push' the room mics back with an inserted delay. I also don't mind bringing up the feedback. How many milliseconds are you typically using? Of the top of my head in the 25-30 range. I just play around with it until is feels good. In an arrangement that is less dense and slower tempos, there's room for longer times. In faster or denser things shorter times work well. It's all a feel thing for me. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 14, 2023 12:19:11 GMT -6
The change up pitch!
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Post by doubledog on Dec 16, 2023 9:40:24 GMT -6
Looking at that picture it does seem like the mics are pointed at the hard side of the gobo. Maybe the idea is that you get more 'length' of room sound because the sound goes out into the space, reflects on the opposite wall and the it's reflection on the back of the gobo is caught. I've got a pair of room mics pointed at a wall at a 45º angle near the floor right now, and it's pretty great. my room mics (AT4033's) are also pointed at the back wall - actually up high in the corners.. although it's weird corners since I've also got a vaulted ceiling, so not typical corner angles... anyway, catching more of the reflected sound vs the direct sound and it's always worked for me, so I mounted permanent fixtures up there. |
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Post by wiz on Jan 25, 2024 0:35:42 GMT -6
I am continuing to use this Plug In.
I am using it exclusively in REVERB mode... I can't find a use for REMIC mode.
Here is the latest effort with it...
I use it as the "room". Its on a send and tracks get a varying amount sent to them.... and it works great in that role. There are other reverbs in use on this track, Bricasti, AMX doing the reverbish thing.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 25, 2024 4:32:17 GMT -6
Nice, I am using it similarly. Are you keeping one room for everything or working by element by presets?
thx!
Luv the mix, texture, layering and detail, lead vocal sounds perfect: well done !!!
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Post by wiz on Jan 25, 2024 5:18:51 GMT -6
Nice, I am using it similarly. Are you keeping one room for everything or working by element by presets? thx! Luv the mix, texture, layering and detail, lead vocal sounds perfect: well done !!! Thanks kcat Just one room for all Cheers Wiz |
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