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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 26, 2023 12:18:02 GMT -6
That doesn’t suck. That exist? Was thinking maybe motu might have something? I have 6 outs on the Apollo…I’d love to find something with as many physical outs as I could. That way I maybe eventually add a sumbus and maybe change my Hearback from adat to physical I/O. (The hearback gets screwy connected via optical at 88.2 plus)
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 26, 2023 12:26:13 GMT -6
That doesn’t suck. That exist? Was thinking maybe motu might have something? I have 6 outs on the Apollo…I’d love to find something with as many physical outs as I could. That way I maybe eventually add a sumbus and maybe change my Hearback from adat to physical I/O. (The hearback gets screwy connected via optical at 88.2 plus) MOTU 24 AI and AO are still in stock. Pretty much only MOTU products that are. |
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Post by copperx on Nov 26, 2023 12:29:23 GMT -6
How cheap? The MOTU 16A comes to mind.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2023 12:32:29 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Nov 26, 2023 12:57:24 GMT -6
Lucid! (shhh…)
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 26, 2023 14:16:34 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Nov 26, 2023 14:51:35 GMT -6
Looks familiar  |
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Post by prene1 on Nov 26, 2023 15:46:16 GMT -6
What about the new black lion ad/da
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Post by peterhess on Nov 26, 2023 17:47:58 GMT -6
I have no problems with a Focusrite Clarett for 8x i/o to my silver Apollo.
Edited: not Scarlett, Clarett 8x.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2023 18:24:53 GMT -6
Lucid always flew under the radar, they were on par with Apogee of the day, they just didn’t have the ad budget. You do have to be careful of one thing, there are a bunch out there that were packaged for Sonic Solutions, both labeled and unlabeled that lack ADAT. The only better buy if you just want DA is an old Apogee DA 16 no AD and one rack space.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 26, 2023 20:04:58 GMT -6
Lucid always flew under the radar, they were on par with Apogee of the day, they just didn’t have the ad budget. You do have to be careful of one thing, there are a bunch out there that were packaged for Sonic Solutions, both labeled and unlabeled that lack ADAT. The only better buy if you just want DA is an old Apogee DA 16 no AD and one rack space.. That’s a great suggestion |
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Post by sean on Nov 26, 2023 20:31:13 GMT -6
Lynx Aurora 16…usually around $1000 these days. The variable trim one is great for interfacing with outboard
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 22:38:56 GMT -6
To hook up to an Apollo x8 over ADAT? ragan 's suggestion of Lucid is a great option over ADAT. So are old Apogees, the Mytek 8x192, and Panasonic Ramsa. Avoid the stereo Mytek 192 DSD though. Thing sucks. New? Ferrofish is similarly workhorse now. Not as good as the Apogee Symphonies and Lynx Auroras but it's okay. You could always gamble on an Aphex 141B for 150 bucks.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 27, 2023 1:23:53 GMT -6
Cheap? Get something from Antelope.
Hear me out here..
If your sole purpose is to output to just the Sumbus and nothing else, you don't have to worry about the latency issues that can happen with them.
So grab a 1st gen orion or something. Hell if your on Mac you could do that and us Protools Agregate devices to use both the Orion with 32ch out to the sumbus and the x8 all via usb/thunderbolt.
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Post by ericn on Nov 27, 2023 7:12:22 GMT -6
To hook up to an Apollo x8 over ADAT? ragan 's suggestion of Lucid is a great option over ADAT. So are old Apogees, the Mytek 8x192, and Panasonic Ramsa. Avoid the stereo Mytek 192 DSD though. Thing sucks. New? Ferrofish is similarly workhorse now. Not as good as the Apogee Symphonies and Lynx Auroras but it's okay. You could always gamble on an Aphex 141B for 150 bucks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 8:21:21 GMT -6
To hook up to an Apollo x8 over ADAT? ragan 's suggestion of Lucid is a great option over ADAT. So are old Apogees, the Mytek 8x192, and Panasonic Ramsa. Avoid the stereo Mytek 192 DSD though. Thing sucks. New? Ferrofish is similarly workhorse now. Not as good as the Apogee Symphonies and Lynx Auroras but it's okay. You could always gamble on an Aphex 141B for 150 bucks.
The RAMSA limits you to 4 ch at 88.1 and 96 via ADAT otherwise great box. It doesn't matter that much if you know that the AD converters are all delta-sigma modulators and having most of the older chips at a lower sample rate means less hf garbage baked into your signal  |
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Post by ericn on Nov 27, 2023 8:30:41 GMT -6
The RAMSA limits you to 4 ch at 88.1 and 96 via ADAT otherwise great box. It doesn't matter that much if you know that the AD converters are all delta-sigma modulators and having most of the older chips at a lower sample rate means less hf garbage baked into your signal Agreed but JK was talking about 88.1 elsewhere so it sort of rules it out for this one. Now the AES card that I have only seen one of Supports 8 ch at higher sample rates. Of course we also Shouldn’t refer to them as Ramsa, even if the model numbers follow Ramsa conventions, they were Panasonic security products. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 8:54:52 GMT -6
It doesn't matter that much if you know that the AD converters are all delta-sigma modulators and having most of the older chips at a lower sample rate means less hf garbage baked into your signal Agreed but JK was talking about 88.1 elsewhere so it sort of rules it out for this one. Now the AES card that I have only seen one of Supports 8 ch at higher sample rates. Of course we also Shouldn’t refer to them as Ramsa, even if the model numbers follow Ramsa conventions, they were Panasonic security products. If your processing isn't aliasing free at 44.1 khz, chances are doubling the bandwidth isn't going to do much to clean it up. Congratulations you've made L1 twice as accurate and it still sounds like a metallic distortion effect with hilarious sidebands. Vintage Warmer still sounds like you're breaking the drum with a baseball bat whether you hit the 2x upsampling button or not. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 27, 2023 9:23:28 GMT -6
Agreed but JK was talking about 88.1 elsewhere so it sort of rules it out for this one. Now the AES card that I have only seen one of Supports 8 ch at higher sample rates. Of course we also Shouldn’t refer to them as Ramsa, even if the model numbers follow Ramsa conventions, they were Panasonic security products. If your processing isn't aliasing free at 44.1 khz, chances are doubling the bandwidth isn't going to do much to clean it up. Congratulations you've made L1 twice as accurate and it still sounds like a metallic distortion effect with hilarious sidebands. Vintage Warmer still sounds like you're breaking the drum with a baseball bat whether you hit the 2x upsampling button or not. The problem is there is very little money in “better “ converter chips, smaller, cheaper and efficient yes, better no. In many ways the generic chips have really set back innovation in pro audio, Opamps, Samsung consumer and Car audio’s demand makes Harman look like a bit player, same with converters, open up a wireless mic, the RF is either a Cellphone or WiFi chip. It keeps prices down, but it sure limits innovation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 10:10:01 GMT -6
If your processing isn't aliasing free at 44.1 khz, chances are doubling the bandwidth isn't going to do much to clean it up. Congratulations you've made L1 twice as accurate and it still sounds like a metallic distortion effect with hilarious sidebands. Vintage Warmer still sounds like you're breaking the drum with a baseball bat whether you hit the 2x upsampling button or not. The problem is there is very little money in “better “ converter chips, smaller, cheaper and efficient yes, better no. In many ways the generic chips have really set back innovation in pro audio, Opamps, Samsung consumer and Car audio’s demand makes Harman look like a bit player, same with converters, open up a wireless mic, the RF is either a Cellphone or WiFi chip. It keeps prices down, but it sure limits innovation. They don't want to pay 10-20 bucks for a chip that does 2 channels of audio. Now consider the Bricasti M1 with zero compromises and overkill that costs thousands. Or a Lynx with little compromise on the chip side that costs almost 200 bucks a channel if you get 32. Apogee is almost 300 a channel i/o. Motu is under 100 bucks a channel. Ferrofish is like 60 something. Of course they are compromising. They are not spending 5-10 bucks to get a separate chip for each input or output channel on the cheapo crap. Ferrofish is compromising on the analog side of both in and out too. MOTU AVB just the inputs heavily and they were using the cheapest sabre chip possible then, the es9016, and splitting the output like lower end Apogee but with less clarity than an Element or Ensemble despite marginally better specs on the output of the MOTU. The cheaper Apogees were just using the built in I-V stages I believe so higher imd on the ESS chips. I forget but they have more distortion vs the more expensive Symphonies but it's still beneath a CD noise floor. Thanks modern technology. MOTU was doing further cheap outs. The current Ultralite mk 5 doesn't use the AVB drivers like the mk IV did. |
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