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Post by ev33 on Nov 24, 2023 14:27:18 GMT -6
Hey All! I dont if this is the right area to post this. I'm happy to move it if there is a better place. I just wanted to let you all know about the Undertone Audio UTEQ500. It has taken a couple years to really make this work and i'm super excited about it. It is finally ready to ship!! It is 3 bands of the UTA console/MPEQ-1 EQ. Those 3 bands do everything that the originals did. Insanely flexible/powerful EQ with the sound of analog/hardware. I did a quick fast talkin video that gives you the gist of whats special about it. You can check it out on our website here... www.undertoneaudio.com/products/uteq500I'll be around this weekend if anyone has any questions about it Thanks for checking it out! Eric Valentine
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Post by sirthought on Nov 24, 2023 14:41:42 GMT -6
Love the video! Looks interesting.
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 24, 2023 14:48:33 GMT -6
Told myself I was done buying hardware , BUT I do have two open slots in the lunchbox …..?…….
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 24, 2023 16:23:08 GMT -6
Insanely cool. Wish I had the 16k (soon to be 24k….) or so to put one in every channel of my console.
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Post by ab101 on Nov 24, 2023 16:33:40 GMT -6
I am going to need another rack!
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 24, 2023 19:22:36 GMT -6
I just saw the video on instagram. Well done Eric haha very nicely done.
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Post by christopher on Nov 24, 2023 21:02:25 GMT -6
The video was really cool, EQ looks super flexible and worth it.. well done! I love to hear kid voices. Awesome:)
I have a couple questions of course.
First, am I correct in seeing dual concentric knobs? Can you explain how many knobs and switches you fit on this thing? I have (and dig) the Link SSL EQ’s which were able to fit 10 rotary knob controls and 5 x on/off switches. Since then I’ve been counting number of knobs, and realizing access to more rotary control is probably the main way SSL has an edge. Very few 500 series can match the Link count. So I’m curious.
Second, I’m assuming Transformerless and high quality ICs. Am I wrong? This is just to understand what it might replace. I use Heritage 73EQjr mostly for the transformer and inductor tone. I assume this is more in the Transformerless IC style?
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2023 21:12:51 GMT -6
I'll be around this weekend if anyone has any questions about it Thanks for checking it out! Eric Valentine Haha!!!! Thanks Eric. Is it possible that the EQ might be as fun and as good as the video? Well...that would be as high bar....the video made my day!! LOL. Look forward to checking out the actual EQ. Cheers, Bill Going back to watch the video again..........
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Post by robo on Nov 24, 2023 21:40:20 GMT -6
Looks awesome, Eric. It seems like the 500-series eq to beat!
I’m really curious about the vari-phase mode…is this an allpass filter?
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Post by drastic on Nov 24, 2023 23:54:19 GMT -6
This looks awesome! 🤩🤩
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Post by ev33 on Nov 25, 2023 6:22:13 GMT -6
The video was really cool, EQ looks super flexible and worth it.. well done! I love to hear kid voices. Awesome:) I have a couple questions of course. First, am I correct in seeing dual concentric knobs? Can you explain how many knobs and switches you fit on this thing? I have (and dig) the Link SSL EQ’s which were able to fit 10 rotary knob controls and 5 x on/off switches. Since then I’ve been counting number of knobs, and realizing access to more rotary control is probably the main way SSL has an edge. Very few 500 series can match the Link count. So I’m curious. Second, I’m assuming Transformerless and high quality ICs. Am I wrong? This is just to understand what it might replace. I use Heritage 73EQjr mostly for the transformer and inductor tone. I assume this is more in the Transformerless IC style? Hello Christopher! Yes the knobs are concentric, so that is a total of 12 potentiometer controls and 6 toggle switches. It is a lot to pack in there. We had to create custom knobs for this thing so even my fat fingers could easily get to everything haha! And yes, this is in the IC/transformerless catagory for topology. The original console and MPEQ-1 are Class A, discrete with bypassable transformers. It is a big open sound. I was very curious to see how the ICs would sound. I did a bunch of listening tests with the UTEQ500 and was very pleased with how it performed. I put it up against an array of vintage EQs (Neve, Pultec, API, Langevin etc). I was surprised how difficult or impossible it became to distinguish between the two once the curves were really perfectly matched. I always use blind listening tests for this sort of thing and there were many comparisons where neither myself or the other engineer in the room could distinguish them. I am going to be putting up a "Deep Dive" demo video in a week or two that does exactly that. I recorded 4 elements and EQ'd them all with vintage EQs and then replace them with UTEQ500s. One of them maybe could be picked in a blind listening test. The other 3 I believe are impossible to distinguish. I'll make the files available when I put out the video
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 25, 2023 6:23:51 GMT -6
That’s an interesting EQ in terms of curves.
I wonder how it sounds?
I’m not hybrid channel mixing but if I was I think 6 of those in a chassis would be pretty fantastic - if the tone matches the feature set.
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Post by ev33 on Nov 25, 2023 7:02:05 GMT -6
Looks awesome, Eric. It seems like the 500-series eq to beat! I’m really curious about the vari-phase mode…is this an allpass filter? Hey! Yes it is an allpass filter! This EQ has a unique way of doing the cutting that allowed us to incorporate both a notch filter mode and an allpass filter mode. The all pass thing really is pretty handy every one in a while. I have a cool demonstration of it coming in the next video
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Post by christophert on Nov 25, 2023 15:47:36 GMT -6
I'm keen for a pair. Excellent EQ design for flexibility !! I can get rid of two very average sounding Neve 511 EQs that sit unloved in my rack.
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Post by jaba on Nov 26, 2023 11:03:43 GMT -6
I won't be spending much on equipment in the near future as I just did, but at the heart of the new stuff is a Cranborne 500 rack. When it comes time to look at more EQs I will likely look at these first. Love the flexibility.
Do they impart much of a tone? I know the curves are a bit part a piece's character but so are it's transformers/ op-amps/ inductors. Just curious. I'm sure they sound great.
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2023 13:05:14 GMT -6
Hey Eric, in the video are you using an Audio Precision or similar thing to do your shape matching visually? I could see it being very handy for making "presets" of existing pieces. It also seems like a good way to learn the ins and outs of the design. Just not the $14,000 part!
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Post by ev33 on Nov 26, 2023 13:39:08 GMT -6
I won't be spending much on equipment in the near future as I just did, but at the heart of the new stuff is a Cranborne 500 rack. When it comes time to look at more EQs I will likely look at these first. Love the flexibility. Do they impart much of a tone? I know the curves are a bit part a piece's character but so are it's transformers/ op-amps/ inductors. Just curious. I'm sure they sound great. Hey! These are definitely in the transformerless/Op-amp catagory for topology. it was the only way to fit everything in. I am finding more and more that our ears are by far most sensitive to frequency response and that people can mistake a difference in the curve as a difference in "tone". I am going to be releasing a "deep dive" video next where i recreate EQ settings of vintage EQs (Neve, API, Pultec, Siemens). They are all inductor based circuits with transformers. When the curves are matched precisely, it has been impossible to identify them in a blind listening test. I am curious to see how people react to that aspect of this. I know folks are really attached to the sound of transformers and inductors. I suppose i am too. i have tons of gear in my room that have both but then when i do blind listening tests and isolate for those variables, they seem to not audibly matter. I look forward to getting everyone's input on that
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Post by ev33 on Nov 26, 2023 13:42:50 GMT -6
Hey Eric, in the video are you using an Audio Precision or similar thing to do your shape matching visually? I could see it being very handy for making "presets" of existing pieces. It also seems like a good way to learn the ins and outs of the design. Just not the $14,000 part! Hey! For the real time curve matching I am using Plugin Doctor. It is quick and easy for doing a quick match but does lack precision at a certain point. Once I get things close with Plugin Doctor, I finish it off with Fuzz Measure. That is extremely accurate. When the curves are perfectly matched on Fuzz Measure I find it impossible to distinguish between the two in a blind listening test. Both of those cost WAY less than an Audio Precision
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 26, 2023 14:01:25 GMT -6
Very interesting! Awesome video. So - the real answer to this is “use your ears” - but are there certain settings (switches) that allow you to have a Helios shape for all the bands…then flip this and it changes to a 1081 shape, etc? Or is it variable and basically use your ears and just twist until it’s what you love?
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Post by ev33 on Nov 26, 2023 17:47:42 GMT -6
Very interesting! Awesome video. So - the real answer to this is “use your ears” - but are there certain settings (switches) that allow you to have a Helios shape for all the bands…then flip this and it changes to a 1081 shape, etc? Or is it variable and basically use your ears and just twist until it’s what you love? Hey! Good question! There are no actual presets or emulation modes but the settings that get you to one of the vintage shapes are very straight forward. For example, the 80 series Neve or G series SSL shelf shape is simply turning the shape control all the way clockwise. The API shelf or E series SSL is with the shelf control at "5" or half way. Both of those are with the fully counter clockwise Q setting. From there is just a matter of selecting the frequency and gain adjustment you want. The manual has preset guides that tell you how to set things for the common vintage options. Beyond that, like with any EQ, you will start find shape/Q combinations that get what you want. Often I find they are things that no other EQs can do. Single bands can do multiple things because you can combine peak and shelf shapes in one adjustment. The best of which is when boosting a peak in the midrange, you can then open up the highend above that move by blending in a high shelf as if you are using an additional band but it is all done with a single band. It's pretty darn cool
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Post by lee on Nov 26, 2023 22:31:44 GMT -6
Hey Eric, in the video are you using an Audio Precision or similar thing to do your shape matching visually? I could see it being very handy for making "presets" of existing pieces. It also seems like a good way to learn the ins and outs of the design. Just not the $14,000 part! Hey! For the real time curve matching I am using Plugin Doctor. It is quick and easy for doing a quick match but does lack precision at a certain point. Once I get things close with Plugin Doctor, I finish it off with Fuzz Measure. That is extremely accurate. When the curves are perfectly matched on Fuzz Measure I find it impossible to distinguish between the two in a blind listening test. Both of those cost WAY less than an Audio Precision That is clever, never heard of it. Thank you, great tips!
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Post by ev33 on Nov 27, 2023 18:47:39 GMT -6
Hey Eric, will these only be available direct from UTA or will dealers have stock soon? Thanks. Yes these should be available through dealers now! A bunch of our dealers placed orders for em EV
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Post by Ward on Nov 27, 2023 19:36:30 GMT -6
Nice work and a great entertaining video
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Post by drbill on Nov 27, 2023 20:20:19 GMT -6
Nice work and a great entertaining video We NEED more video's like this.....
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Post by lee on Nov 28, 2023 12:07:32 GMT -6
Hey Eric, in the video are you using an Audio Precision or similar thing to do your shape matching visually? I could see it being very handy for making "presets" of existing pieces. It also seems like a good way to learn the ins and outs of the design. Just not the $14,000 part! Hey! For the real time curve matching I am using Plugin Doctor. It is quick and easy for doing a quick match but does lack precision at a certain point. Once I get things close with Plugin Doctor, I finish it off with Fuzz Measure. That is extremely accurate. When the curves are perfectly matched on Fuzz Measure I find it impossible to distinguish between the two in a blind listening test. Both of those cost WAY less than an Audio Precision Plugin Doctor is a dangerous, dangerous time waster. I could happily goof off with this thing all day and never get any work done!
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