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Post by thehightenor on Nov 23, 2023 7:20:52 GMT -6
I'm not particularly a fan of Mr Sheeran (I'm not a 14 year old girl anymore  ) But he does sound good on this mic and I like the mids and top end on this particular mic. It has those lovely reedy iconic mids and a soft rolled off top but still detailed. I found myself wondering if it's an original vintage 47? |
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Post by niklas1073 on Nov 23, 2023 7:47:14 GMT -6
Fast scrolling the video I do think it’s a vintage one. Could not get a peak at the serial nr, but the plate seem to be in the right place. I think the tf reissue places it on the back. Cable looks as it could be an older one too. I would suggest it’s a vintage. Which of course then can mean a lot of things sound wise depending on it’s life.
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Post by Ward on Nov 23, 2023 8:10:48 GMT -6
really hard to listen to . . . I detest over-exagerrated dynamics for 'dramatic' effect. but yes, it's pretty much a 58-60 U47 or U48. I would be surprised if it weren't. Has a great response... the thing the Heiserman H47/48 NAILS. |
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Post by reddirt on Nov 23, 2023 16:54:09 GMT -6
Only a guess but with his budget possibilities its fair to assume it would be I reckon.
What strikes me is that even though he moves a lot and is plugged in, the guitar is not compromised noticeably because of the changing distance relative to the 47
Cheers, Ross
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Post by spindrift on Nov 23, 2023 17:38:37 GMT -6
Yes, that is what a real U47 sounds like. 👍
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Post by damoongo on Nov 23, 2023 20:00:41 GMT -6
Yes. Looks legit. But the chrome head basket is was cooler. (Matte is better for tv maybe?) Looks like a non-stock cable. Likely Gotham GAC7. Tuchel connector may be aftermarket too...
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Post by chessparov on Nov 23, 2023 21:21:14 GMT -6
Putting my high powered microscope on the frozen video screen, all I could make out was...
(Drumstick please)
"B_hr_nger"
Chris
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Post by wiz on Nov 23, 2023 22:03:05 GMT -6
Only a guess but with his budget possibilities its fair to assume it would be I reckon. What strikes me is that even though he moves a lot and is plugged in, the guitar is not compromised noticeably because of the changing distance relative to the 47 Cheers, Ross DI guitar? |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 24, 2023 2:39:53 GMT -6
Yes, that is what a real U47 sounds like. 👍 Yes, F.A.B. Scotty - I think you’re right. But they’re not all THIS great. My experience of original vintage 47’s and 87’s has been some are like this are just out of this world fabulous and some are a bit meh. The mic on this video is imho close to the pinnacle of what a superb 47 should sound like! As said, he has the coin to own one …. or two or ten of them! M7 cap or K47 …. ? |
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Post by reddirt on Nov 24, 2023 3:08:38 GMT -6
Yes Wiz, primarily DI guitar but would still be picked up by the mic to a fair degree I would have thought
Cheers, Ross
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Post by chessparov on Nov 24, 2023 3:27:41 GMT -6
IMHO Wiz must have one of the exceptional 87's.
And Bluegrass Dan's 47 is amazing to me.
(another was the certain/fantastic 67 for Justin Hayward's "Classic 7" Moodies vocals)
Chris
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Post by Ward on Nov 24, 2023 6:09:21 GMT -6
Yes. Looks legit. But the chrome head basket is was cooler. (Matte is better for tv maybe?) Looks like a non-stock cable. Likely Gotham GAC7. Tuchel connector may be aftermarket too... Chrome = M7 Matching Matte = K47 Historical accuracy - chrome head baskets with the M7 were coming from the Microtech Gefell factory (the original Neumann Factory) shipped to Berlin for assembly on to U47 bodies. When the Iron Curtain fell and Georgs wasn't able to freely move back and forth to pick up capsules from Neumann-Gefell, they started making the K47 at the Berlin factory and switched the finish on the headbaskets to match the microphone bodies. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 24, 2023 6:11:09 GMT -6
Putting my high powered microscope on the frozen video screen, all I could make out was... (Drumstick please) "B_hr_nger" Chris Look, stop smearing peanut butter on the lenses. Peanut Butter isn't effective as a softener  |
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Post by chessparov on Nov 24, 2023 17:43:45 GMT -6
Sorry. I was trying to multitask. But a certain Reese's Cup left nearby last night, kept distracting me. (And I thought I'M forgetful-Plus she KEEPS calling. Geez!  ) Then I woke up. Chris |
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Post by damoongo on Nov 24, 2023 21:34:36 GMT -6
Yes. Looks legit. But the chrome head basket is was cooler. (Matte is better for tv maybe?) Looks like a non-stock cable. Likely Gotham GAC7. Tuchel connector may be aftermarket too... Chrome = M7 Matching Matte = K47 Historical accuracy - chrome head baskets with the M7 were coming from the Microtech Gefell factory (the original Neumann Factory) shipped to Berlin for assembly on to U47 bodies. When the Iron Curtain fell and Georgs wasn't able to freely move back and forth to pick up capsules from Neumann-Gefell, they started making the K47 at the Berlin factory and switched the finish on the headbaskets to match the microphone bodies. This is not quite accurate. M7 capsules were installed into both flavors of headbasket. Neumann switched from chrome finish to nickel finish in 1956. K47’s weren’t installed until late 1958. M7’s continued to be installed into u47’s into 1960/61. (This does mean that it’s unlikely that any U47’s with chrome baskets originally had k47’s installed tho.) (Also, Gefell factory is not the “Original Neumann factory”. Rather, it’s where Neumann moved to avoid the allied bombing.) (*Details from Klaus Heyne) Therefor: Chrome = M7 Matching Matte = M7 or K47 (When originally manufactured. Obviously, now many capsules have been switched from discontinued M7 to the readily available k47.) |
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Post by Ward on Nov 24, 2023 23:50:03 GMT -6
Chrome = M7 Matching Matte = K47 Historical accuracy - chrome head baskets with the M7 were coming from the Microtech Gefell factory (the original Neumann Factory) shipped to Berlin for assembly on to U47 bodies. When the Iron Curtain fell and Georgs wasn't able to freely move back and forth to pick up capsules from Neumann-Gefell, they started making the K47 at the Berlin factory and switched the finish on the headbaskets to match the microphone bodies. This is not quite accurate. M7 capsules were installed into both flavors of headbasket. Neumann switched from chrome finish to nickel finish in 1956. K47’s weren’t installed until late 1958. M7’s continued to be installed into u47’s into 1960/61. (This does mean that it’s unlikely that any U47’s with chrome baskets originally had k47’s installed tho.) (Also, Gefell factory is not the “Original Neumann factory”. Rather, it’s where Neumann moved to avoid the allied bombing.) (*Details from Klaus Heyne) Therefor: Chrome = M7 Matching Matte = M7 or K47 (When originally manufactured. Obviously, now many capsules have been switched from discontinued M7 to the readily available k47.) |
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Post by damoongo on Nov 25, 2023 0:20:09 GMT -6
This is not quite accurate. M7 capsules were installed into both flavors of headbasket. Neumann switched from chrome finish to nickel finish in 1956. K47’s weren’t installed until late 1958. M7’s continued to be installed into u47’s into 1960/61. (This does mean that it’s unlikely that any U47’s with chrome baskets originally had k47’s installed tho.) (Also, Gefell factory is not the “Original Neumann factory”. Rather, it’s where Neumann moved to avoid the allied bombing.) (*Details from Klaus Heyne) Therefor: Chrome = M7 Matching Matte = M7 or K47 (When originally manufactured. Obviously, now many capsules have been switched from discontinued M7 to the readily available k47.) Not sure exactly what you intended with this link, but the first paragraph translates to: “ In 1928, the limited partnership Georg Neumann & Co. was founded in Berlin by Georg Neumann and Erich Rickmann. The main idea of this company foundation was to produce microphones according to the capacitive converter principle in the future. This was really possible as a series for the first time with the condenser microphone CMV 3.” And then: “ 1943 during the Second World War, the principal laboratory on Michaelkirchstraße in Berlin undergoes damage both by fire and bombs. To avoid further bombings, the entire company and the principal laboratory are transferred to Gefell.“ Isn’t that exactly what I said? Anyway. Lots of great info and photos there. Thanks. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 25, 2023 15:50:57 GMT -6
Not sure exactly what you intended with this link... Intended? I don't play those games. Merely adding too the fact portion of it. Original factory was in Berlin yes, but it was destroyed, 2nd factory and HQ was next in Gefell. (after the war, another 17 years later) Iron curtain fell and Georgs had to re-establish in Berlin at another location. |
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Post by damoongo on Nov 25, 2023 17:10:59 GMT -6
Not sure exactly what you intended with this link... Intended? I don't play those games. Merely adding too the fact portion of it. Original factory was in Berlin yes, but it was destroyed, 2nd factory and HQ was next in Gefell. (after the war, another 17 years later) Iron curtain fell and Georgs had to re-establish in Berlin at another location. Great. No games. Just wanted to make sure you weren't suggesting that the info in the link you posted somehow backed up your "the original Neumann factory" inaccuracy. One other clarification from your historical accuracy post. It could be (mis)interpreted as suggesting that M7's were all made in Gefell factory. But this is not the case. Berlin made M7's as well. |
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Post by copperx on Nov 25, 2023 19:23:06 GMT -6
This is a great example of how a great capture can be utterly destroyed by dumb production choices.
The over the top reverb makes the singer sound inauthentic, fake. The nice sound coming out of the mic becomes irrelevant.
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2023 21:41:33 GMT -6
This is a great example of how a great capture can be utterly destroyed by dumb production choices. The over the top reverb makes the singer sound inauthentic, fake. The nice sound coming out of the mic becomes irrelevant. Or someone should just do a YouTube tutorial titled how to make a $30K Neumann sound like a $70 generic Chinese mic. |
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