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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2014 16:11:08 GMT -6
How far apart should my monitors be. I've kind of thought of it like the 3 to 1 rule...but I've wondered if I've had them too far apart. Just wondered if there was a standard rule of thumb.
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Post by sinasoid on Jul 8, 2014 16:19:29 GMT -6
It honestly depends on the monitors and the room acoustics. Sweet spots are going to be extremely specific on most monitors, but you can get a *decent* sound using the 3 to 1 rule with most monitors.
That didn't help at all. Sorry. Ha.
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Post by ericn on Jul 8, 2014 16:31:58 GMT -6
It honestly depends on the monitors and the room acoustics. Sweet spots are going to be extremely specific on most monitors, but you can get a *decent* sound using the 3 to 1 rule with most monitors. That didn't help at all. Sorry. Ha. Probably not. But You nailed it ! |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 16:55:56 GMT -6
Just make sure the axis is right and the way you have them is spot on. I use a lazer to get all that right, but for Proacs it's pretty important to have them angled right, especially since you have them mounted higher now. And I'm talking about the vertical axis.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2014 17:01:02 GMT -6
Just make sure the axis is right and the way you have them is spot on. I use a lazer to get all that right, but for Proacs it's pretty important to have them angled right, especially since you have them mounted higher now. And I'm talking about the vertical axis. Translation? I was told there would be no math... |
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Post by wiz on Jul 8, 2014 17:14:22 GMT -6
I got my wife and daughter to stand either side and move my monitors about a half inch at a time towards each other starting from wide to narrow... we did this about 4 times and I had my eyes shut. There was a couple of points in the distances where they sounded good, but one point where they sounded best.
We marked the points each time I liked, all four listens ended up the same point.
Thats where they sit.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 17:17:33 GMT -6
I got my wife and daughter to stand either side and move my monitors about a half inch at a time towards each other starting from wide to narrow... we did this about 4 times and I had my eyes shut. There was a couple of points in the distances where they sounded good, but one point where they sounded best. We marked the points each time I liked, all four listens ended up the same point. Thats where they sit. cheers Wiz You never ever need to get divorced. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2014 17:55:54 GMT -6
For real...if bitching about my loudness/spending/etc. was a sport, my wife would be Alabama.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 8, 2014 21:02:48 GMT -6
Equal distant triangle sit-in your chair hold tape measure at chest measure out to one lock tape measure pivot tape measure over to other monitor without moving from your chest measure same distance same spot
Tweeters ear height
Download genelec monitor angle positioning app $5 :
Use it
All done !
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Post by Ward on Jul 8, 2014 21:10:38 GMT -6
General rule of thumb: Make a perfect isosceles triangle from the listening (monitoring) position to each monitor and to each other. This is usually 4' to 5' between the two monitors and to the listener and then aim the monitors towards to listener. To the same with mains, which should be the same scale but obviously greater distances (7 to 10').
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 22:22:19 GMT -6
Download genelec monitor angle positioning app $5 : Use it All done ! This is what I was talking about Johnkenn |
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Post by watchtower on Jul 9, 2014 8:08:22 GMT -6
In what way are you using the 3 to 1 rule? You want an equilateral triangle, with the tweeters pointed at your ears. Each speaker is 30 degrees off from the phantom center directly in front of you  |
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Post by wiz on Jul 9, 2014 17:45:46 GMT -6
Don't be afraid to not point them at you directly.
Mine are now facing parallel.
They sound better that way.
Point being. All these "guidelines" are just that, a starting point. But don't underestimate the benefit of having a couple of people spend a couple of hours with you, moving things about whilst you sit and listen.
I would NEVER have ended up with my monitors where they are, without hearing it, and I couldn't have successfully done that on my own
cheers
Wiz
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Post by indiehouse on Jul 9, 2014 19:08:54 GMT -6
I was under the impression that the tweeters are supposed to be aimed directly behind your head, allowing the line of each tweeter to brush your ear.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jul 9, 2014 19:20:27 GMT -6
The triangle thing works. When I started using a console at home the width of mine increased as did my proximity to them. That said, I'm a firm believer that the height at which they sit and how the tweeter/speaker ratio hits your ear is more important than width. It is for me anyway.
Try this and youll see. Mix a song sitting higher on the monitors so that the tweeter is more prominent and then mix one which you sit low and hear more of the woofer. I gaurentee those two mixes will sound different.
Find THAT sweet spot I say. My mixes got better when I started playing close attention to my chair height. I now know my rig very well and recognize right away when my ears are in that sweet spot.
My 2 cents
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Post by Koln on Jul 9, 2014 19:22:07 GMT -6
Watchtower is right-on on this : 30 degrees from phantom center. Here is a very good paper on this : 5_1_Rec.pdf (993.9 KB) |
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Post by ephi82 on Jul 10, 2014 5:58:17 GMT -6
Equal distant triangle sit-in your chair hold tape measure at chest measure out to one lock tape measure pivot tape measure over to other monitor without moving from your chest measure same distance same spot Tweeters ear height Download genelec monitor angle positioning app $5 : Use it All done ! It so funny, I spent about an hour in my studio measuring angles using a woodworking tool to get that 30 degree angle. PIA but it worked Then I discovered the Genelec thing and used it to set up angles for my home theatre system. It took a few minutes and worked like a champ! |
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Post by popmann on Jul 10, 2014 19:43:00 GMT -6
In what way are you using the 3 to 1 rule? You want an equilateral triangle, with the tweeters pointed at your ears. Each speaker is 30 degrees off from the phantom center directly in front of you This ^^^^ ....3:1 would be totally incorrect. They'd be like ear phones. You're better off further and them closer together than them wider and YOU closer... |
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Post by mulmany on Jul 12, 2014 12:38:21 GMT -6
Yeah don't try the genelec app on a Samsung. It never zero s out, just creeps up.
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Post by wiz on Jul 12, 2014 17:23:52 GMT -6
anyone got a link to this app?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 12, 2014 17:41:45 GMT -6
Just type in Genelec on your app search in your phone wiz, it should come up. |
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Post by wiz on Jul 12, 2014 17:50:43 GMT -6
Just type in Genelec on your app search in your phone wiz, it should come up. will give it a crack thanks Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 12, 2014 18:23:36 GMT -6
In what way are you using the 3 to 1 rule? You want an equilateral triangle, with the tweeters pointed at your ears. Each speaker is 30 degrees off from the phantom center directly in front of you Hey, I miss spoke and meant to refer to the equilateral triangle; thanks ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 9:23:07 GMT -6
You're better off further and them closer together than them wider and YOU closer... This is so true. Only few speakers i heard are less critical in placement due to their properties like directivity index etc. and still deliver good stereo field. An example are some of the Klein&Hummel nearfielders that are designed to be mounted parallel to the wall in broadcasting vans and similar... |
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