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Post by drumsound on Nov 15, 2023 1:55:32 GMT -6
Kind of inspired by the Mitch Mitchell thread, I though I'd get something started about a drummer who always KILLS though some don't even know his name. He did a Snare session at 606 for Lauten and It's awesome.
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Post by drumsound on Nov 15, 2023 1:59:55 GMT -6
Name me another drummer who can groove this hard while playing this softly.
Or one who had hipper threads!
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Post by frans on Nov 15, 2023 2:21:22 GMT -6
It kind of defeats the purpose of a special snare mic when you have a drummer that can do his thing THAT good. He's balancing the set as needed, you can record it with a minimum of mics and barely treating the tracks. To demonstrate the "special powers" of a snare mic you need a so-so drummer that you will have to tweak for a balanced mix.
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Post by reddirt on Nov 15, 2023 3:48:37 GMT -6
Yep, that serving the song playing is an intangible that makes us love music
See how he's smiling and groovin' when Bill's doing "I know...... etc.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Ward on Nov 15, 2023 7:18:35 GMT -6
extraordinary
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Post by plinker on Nov 15, 2023 9:54:37 GMT -6
Great interview! Lot's of fun. I didn't realize he recorded with Beck, and seemed to really enjoy it too.
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Post by lee on Nov 15, 2023 11:00:16 GMT -6
Gadson is the man. He has a feel that is impossible to imitate.
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Post by drumsound on Nov 15, 2023 11:52:47 GMT -6
It kind of defeats the purpose of a special snare mic when you have a drummer that can do his thing THAT good. He's balancing the set as needed, you can record it with a minimum of mics and barely treating the tracks. To demonstrate the "special powers" of a snare mic you need a so-so drummer that you will have to tweak for a balanced mix. That a fantastic idea. I would be hard to make video and frame someone as mediocre for the world, though. Yep, that serving the song playing is an intangible that makes us love music See how he's smiling and groovin' when Bill's doing "I know...... etc. Cheers, Ross RIGHT? I've watched that video so many times... If we were back in the VHS days, there would be no high end left and there would probably be weird little wiggles from tape stretch! Great interview! Lot's of fun. I didn't realize he recorded with Beck, and seemed to really enjoy it too. I didn't know about the beck thing either. Pretty cool. I love that he's still out there just doing his thing. Also pretty chocking that he didn't start drumming until he was 21. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 15, 2023 13:48:24 GMT -6
It’s just so easy when the players can play at this level.
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Post by plinker on Nov 15, 2023 14:11:58 GMT -6
Also pretty chocking that he didn't start drumming until he was 21. Yeah; that's nutty! I was watching him closely and noticed a couple of things: - he uses proper grip and wrist (not arm) technique. He must have had proper training. - his uses a matched grip in the first video but a traditional grip in the Bill Evans video. |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 15, 2023 15:14:25 GMT -6
Also pretty chocking that he didn't start drumming until he was 21. Yeah; that's nutty! I was watching him closely and noticed a couple of things: - he uses proper grip and wrist (not arm) technique. He must have had proper training. - his uses a matched grip in the first video but a traditional grip in the Bill Evans video. He's definitely one of those cats the blurs the line of matched and traditional. A lot of cats in that era started traditional, but as amps got louder and PAs didn't develop at the same rate, the switched to get a stronger backbeat. There are also guys like Danny Seraphine from Chicago who still switch back and fourth. I still use traditional for certain things, though my technique isn't developed with traditional. |
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Post by plinker on Nov 15, 2023 17:03:04 GMT -6
Yeah; that's nutty! I was watching him closely and noticed a couple of things: - he uses proper grip and wrist (not arm) technique. He must have had proper training. - his uses a matched grip in the first video but a traditional grip in the Bill Evans video. He's definitely one of those cats the blurs the line of matched and traditional. A lot of cats in that era started traditional, but as amps got louder and PAs didn't develop at the same rate, the switched to get a stronger backbeat. There are also guys like Danny Seraphine from Chicago who still switch back and fourth. I still use traditional for certain things, though my technique isn't developed with traditional. Yeah -- I'm in the same boat. I use traditional only for brush work...which is the only way I can use brushes. |
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Post by drumrec on Nov 15, 2023 17:04:33 GMT -6
Yeah; that's nutty! I was watching him closely and noticed a couple of things: - he uses proper grip and wrist (not arm) technique. He must have had proper training. - his uses a matched grip in the first video but a traditional grip in the Bill Evans video. He's definitely one of those cats the blurs the line of matched and traditional. A lot of cats in that era started traditional, but as amps got louder and PAs didn't develop at the same rate, the switched to get a stronger backbeat. There are also guys like Danny Seraphine from Chicago who still switch back and fourth. I still use traditional for certain things, though my technique isn't developed with traditional. I belong to the schizophrenic club that runs both matched and traditional. Was schooled with traditional (probably because I'm so damn old, haha). But like to change grips depending on what style you play. But as you described drumsound when the music gets a little louder and 2-4 an has to cut through a little higher, then the match grip becomes more comfortable. James Gadson is king. Love what he's doing with Bill Withers. So tasty groove. Been sitting and trying to mix a little motown sound on my drums for a while in the studio and get that hang between triplets and straight in the playing. Incredibly fun and you can't get enough of it. Here I played with an old Ludwig kit from the 60s and played with the UA Hitsville Chamber. Was only OH monomic and some bd amb. Very simple! MOTOWN SOUND
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Post by yotonic on Nov 15, 2023 21:23:35 GMT -6
Loved this video of James playing with the new generation of rippers. Vulfpeck, Scary Pockets, etc.
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Post by srb on Nov 15, 2023 21:45:07 GMT -6
James Gadson has such marvelous feel. Thanks for posting!
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Post by frans on Nov 16, 2023 2:31:57 GMT -6
It kind of defeats the purpose of a special snare mic when you have a drummer that can do his thing THAT good. He's balancing the set as needed, you can record it with a minimum of mics and barely treating the tracks. To demonstrate the "special powers" of a snare mic you need a so-so drummer that you will have to tweak for a balanced mix. That a fantastic idea. I would be hard to make video and frame someone as mediocre for the world, though.
I would volunteer as the worlds worst drummer, which i clearly am - and i can proof it!!! Maybe i should get a wrestling mask and brand me as "10-ton-hihat-Harry" a kind of evil superhero.... I mean, i'm unimpressive on bass ..but on drums ... i suck hard. The slogan should be "even with a drummer as bad as this, the snare mic can save your ass" or something.
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Post by drumsound on Nov 16, 2023 9:04:31 GMT -6
He's definitely one of those cats the blurs the line of matched and traditional. A lot of cats in that era started traditional, but as amps got louder and PAs didn't develop at the same rate, the switched to get a stronger backbeat. There are also guys like Danny Seraphine from Chicago who still switch back and fourth. I still use traditional for certain things, though my technique isn't developed with traditional. Yeah -- I'm in the same boat. I use traditional only for brush work...which is the only way I can use brushes. For sure, you gotta have the 'left stirring the soup' with brushes, so traditional all the way. He's definitely one of those cats the blurs the line of matched and traditional. A lot of cats in that era started traditional, but as amps got louder and PAs didn't develop at the same rate, the switched to get a stronger backbeat. There are also guys like Danny Seraphine from Chicago who still switch back and fourth. I still use traditional for certain things, though my technique isn't developed with traditional. I belong to the schizophrenic club that runs both matched and traditional. Was schooled with traditional (probably because I'm so damn old, haha). But like to change grips depending on what style you play. But as you described drumsound when the music gets a little louder and 2-4 an has to cut through a little higher, then the match grip becomes more comfortable. James Gadson is king. Love what he's doing with Bill Withers. So tasty groove. Been sitting and trying to mix a little motown sound on my drums for a while in the studio and get that hang between triplets and straight in the playing. Incredibly fun and you can't get enough of it. Here I played with an old Ludwig kit from the 60s and played with the UA Hitsville Chamber. Was only OH monomic and some bd amb. Very simple! MOTOWN SOUND
Now I have to go and listen to some more J.Gadson clips on the tube That feels GREAT!!! Are you playing a Rogers snare? Loved this video of James playing with the new generation of rippers. Vulfpeck, Scary Pockets, etc. That's super cool, thanks for adding it! James Gadson has such marvelous feel. Thanks for posting! He really does. He's criminally under rated. That a fantastic idea. I would be hard to make video and frame someone as mediocre for the world, though.
I would volunteer as the worlds worst drummer, which i clearly am - and i can proof it!!! Maybe i should get a wrestling mask and brand me as "10-ton-hihat-Harry" a kind of evil superhero.... I mean, i'm unimpressive on bass ..but on drums ... i suck hard. The slogan should be "even with a drummer as bad as this, the snare mic can save your ass" or something.
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Post by frans on Nov 16, 2023 9:49:47 GMT -6
I got my concept ready. Quote 10-ton-hihat-Harry: "i put the hat back in hate!!!" Lauten - do you hear me? Gimme a mic and you can have the concept, i also design you the evil superheros costume and if you fly me to the set i'll be the drummer you need.
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Post by drumsound on Nov 18, 2023 0:12:56 GMT -6
The same buddy that sent me the first video just sent this one.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 18, 2023 6:14:03 GMT -6
It’s just so easy when the players can play at this level. This guy plays ok, I guess - a good feel. I recently went to see Dave Weckl and Tom Kennedy (bass) It kinda redefines the concept of great rhythm section. It was a really small club, so we were close up. My mind was suitably blown, absolutely incredible control and musically - the pinnacle I think! I’ve played drums for 48 years (turned pro at 18!) and I was watching Weckl and at moments thinking omg what is he playing - it’s beyond comprehension and as he’s doing it, he’s so relaxed and just grinning and looking so cool. I like to reserve the word “great” for those few very, very special players. Everyone is is just “good” And I’m “terrible” lol |
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Post by drumrec on Nov 18, 2023 8:03:47 GMT -6
I belong to the schizophrenic club that runs both matched and traditional. Was schooled with traditional (probably because I'm so damn old, haha). But like to change grips depending on what style you play. But as you described drumsound when the music gets a little louder and 2-4 an has to cut through a little higher, then the match grip becomes more comfortable. James Gadson is king. Love what he's doing with Bill Withers. So tasty groove. Been sitting and trying to mix a little motown sound on my drums for a while in the studio and get that hang between triplets and straight in the playing. Incredibly fun and you can't get enough of it. Here I played with an old Ludwig kit from the 60s and played with the UA Hitsville Chamber. Was only OH monomic and some bd amb. Very simple! MOTOWN SOUND
Now I have to go and listen to some more J.Gadson clips on the tube That feels GREAT!!! Are you playing a Rogers snare? YesBox, if you come across a "Rogers Dynasonic" in great condition Tony, buy it!! Some snare stand out and bring a smile every time you play them. This Rogers Dynasonic is one of them |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 18, 2023 9:20:38 GMT -6
That feels GREAT!!! Are you playing a Rogers snare? YesBox, if you come across a "Rogers Dynasonic" in great condition Tony, buy it!! Some snare stand out and bring a smile every time you play them. This Rogers Dynasonic is one of them I love Rogers drums, in general. I have a wood Rogers that I can't remember the name of that is really unique and special. I really should get a Dynasonic. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 18, 2023 9:25:30 GMT -6
Ok who called the drummer a mother fucker?
Guy in back: who called the motherfucker a drummer
Ba da bump
Sorry couldn’t help it ?!!
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Post by Ward on Nov 18, 2023 12:18:52 GMT -6
Ok who called the drummer a mother fucker? Guy in back: who called the motherfucker a drummer Ba da bump Sorry couldn’t help it ?!! Gadson is a futhermucker of a drummer. |
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Post by lee on Nov 18, 2023 13:47:07 GMT -6
Legend.
Hey, is it me, or are some of these Lauten videos oddly thin on promoting the mics? You've got Darrell Thorp sat there, but he's just shooting the shit the whole time. It's fun to "hang out", but I still think it's a curious way to market a thing.
EDIT: I partly take it back. The one with Joey Waronker is a bit more informational.
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That's both hilarious and awesome. You should reach out to Lauten.
