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Post by dok on Oct 25, 2023 14:03:25 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 15:18:26 GMT -6
Intentionally distorted disasters in waiting atop prosumer circuitry. The standards for digitally controlled pres are Grace and Millenia. The worse sounding RME Octamic and Micstasy are a little cheaper. Why not just get a Grace M108 for ADAT or of the digitally controllable Millenia pres if you have a Dante card? Analog and not great sounding, why not a used Yamaha 8 channel pre for 100 bucks?
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 16:30:22 GMT -6
Intentionally distorted disasters in waiting atop prosumer circuitry. The standards for digitally controlled pres are Grace and Millenia. The worse sounding RME Octamic and Micstasy are a little cheaper. Why not just get a Grace M108 for ADAT or of the digitally controllable Millenia pres if you have a Dante card? Analog and not great sounding, why not a used Yamaha 8 channel pre for 100 bucks? I’m going to assume you mean the Yamaha AD8HR, and yeah for the $ you won’t beat it. If you really want to spend $$ the Aphex 1788, but do a search and you will see that the Yamaha lives in well respected venues and remote rigs around the world. |
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Post by jmoose on Oct 25, 2023 16:50:13 GMT -6
Not that SSL has never been known (or respected) for their preamps they're not bad. Or at least I'm trying to get over my 'fear' of 'em...
Couple years ago found out a couple years ago from an LA buddy who's worked with Brendan O'Brien that he/they used SSL preamps for drums on all those 90s rock albums. STP, Rage, all that stuff. Usual formula was SSL 4k console pres on drums, Neve 10xx for guitars, API usually for vocals, piano & whatever was left. I can totally hear it now.
Few years ago I nabbed a pair of the Black Lion auteur quad pres for 8 channels. Pretty much love 'em. That's my "console" front end. Best thing I could compare 'em to would be the old Sytek quads. Not that expensive either!
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 17:29:27 GMT -6
Not that SSL has never been known (or respected) for their preamps they're not bad. Or at least I'm trying to get over my 'fear' of 'em... Couple years ago found out a couple years ago from an LA buddy who's worked with Brendan O'Brien that he/they used SSL preamps for drums on all those 90s rock albums. STP, Rage, all that stuff. Usual formula was SSL 4k console pres on drums, Neve 10xx for guitars, API usually for vocals, piano & whatever was left. I can totally hear it now. Few years ago I nabbed a pair of the Black Lion auteur quad pres for 8 channels. Pretty much love 'em. That's my "console" front end. Best thing I could compare 'em to would be the old Sytek quads. Not that expensive either! Yeah the 4K pres were used all over the place as utility pres in the 80’s and 90’s before everyone had a rack full of outboard pre’s. At the time a world class room probably had a pair Neve 10 serie, a 4 space lunchbox with a pair of 512’s and 550’s and a couple of some other favorite. As one A list AE put it to me “ the pre’s in the 4K are a step up from your DDA, but nothing special but damn we have 56 of them, of course we are going to use them.m |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 17:37:46 GMT -6
Intentionally distorted disasters in waiting atop prosumer circuitry. The standards for digitally controlled pres are Grace and Millenia. The worse sounding RME Octamic and Micstasy are a little cheaper. Why not just get a Grace M108 for ADAT or of the digitally controllable Millenia pres if you have a Dante card? Analog and not great sounding, why not a used Yamaha 8 channel pre for 100 bucks? I’m going to assume you mean the Yamaha AD8HR, and yeah for the $ you won’t beat it. If you really want to spend $$ the Aphex 1788, but do a search and you will see that the Yamaha lives in well respected venues and remote rigs around the world. Yeah or the MLA-8. If you look hard you can get that for 100 bucks a unit or you can also find the Ramza pres but they go for more than Yamaha. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2023 19:09:16 GMT -6
I’m going to assume you mean the Yamaha AD8HR, and yeah for the $ you won’t beat it. If you really want to spend $$ the Aphex 1788, but do a search and you will see that the Yamaha lives in well respected venues and remote rigs around the world. Yeah or the MLA-8. If you look hard you can get that for 100 bucks a unit or you can also find the Ramza pres but they go for more than Yamaha. Having used all 3 and having owned 2, the RAMSA is something special but no remote control, and it’s going to be ADAT only, well there are AES cards but I have only ever seen one. ML8 isn’t quite in the same league as the AD8HR and is 2 rack U. The AD8HR also has the Advantage of being able to add a Cobranet card in place of the AES out so you can send 64 ch via Ethernet and control direct from a DM series digital mixer. AD8HR’s can be had for as little as $100 used. If you don’t want to add the Cobranet there is also a box that you can connect 24ch to and the control connector to come connect the control to Cobranet, on the used Market the box is about the same price as one of the cards. The disadvantage of the AD8HR is it reall needs 1/3 rack space above and below for ventilation. |
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Post by copperx on Oct 26, 2023 10:27:15 GMT -6
ML8 isn’t quite in the same league as the AD8HR and is 2 rack U. No, it's not 2U. You might be confusing it with another unit. |
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Post by dok on Oct 26, 2023 12:02:28 GMT -6
Having used all 3 and having owned 2, the RAMSA is something special Which model RAMSA? |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2023 12:17:48 GMT -6
ML8 isn’t quite in the same league as the AD8HR and is 2 rack U. No, it's not 2U. You might be confusing it with another unit. Thanks I was picturing the DA in my mind for some reason. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2023 12:22:37 GMT -6
Having used all 3 and having owned 2, the RAMSA is something special Which model RAMSA? Well technically they were not RAMSA, they were actually Panasonic Security l, but WZ- AD96M had 3 plus a WZAD96 and 4 WZ DA96 one of the DA’s was an early prototype serial 00008! It had a slightly different PCB layout and different colored PCB. |
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Post by copperx on Oct 26, 2023 12:26:33 GMT -6
No, it's not 2U. You might be confusing it with another unit. Thanks I was picturing the DA in my mind for some reason. Just to be clear, do you think that the DA8HR sounds better than the MLA8 preamps? |
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2023 12:46:19 GMT -6
Thanks I was picturing the DA in my mind for some reason. Just to be clear, do you think that the DA8HR sounds better than the MLA8 preamps? Yes, the AD8HR is a digitally controlled version of the PM5K preamp, probably Yamaha’s finest pre amp. Yamaha’s live boards dominated the world because of their price, when Midas brought out the Xl200 they lost sales because the XL was such a step up sonically so they went back to the drawing board and the 5K was the result. The AD8HR is just a step below the Grace and Aphex, just look at some of the Classical guys who have used them. I was going to buy in for the live rig, but the expense to add Cobranet was to high and I found 32 ch of Whirlwind at a stupid low price. If I was doing more critical work I would have a rack of full of AD8HR, but my current clients don’t care. The ML inst bad, I think it’s a quieter version of the pre’s in my DM1000. If you are patient you will find AD8HR’s for less than $200 or even less than $100 hard to argue with a pre that ‘s been used on world class opera and classical projects. |
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