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Post by mcirish on Oct 19, 2023 11:03:19 GMT -6
Title sort of says it all. I've got one ADK Cremona 251 T-FET. I'm thinking of either getting a second or maybe sell it off and get a matched pair of the BC12A FET mics. These would be used mostly for recording piano and maybe overheads. The BC12A FET is cardioid only and the ADK has the usual three options.
Anyone with experience with both mics? I know Ben makes a great CK12 capsule. The ADK is probably a tweaked K67 capsule to mimic a CK12 type sound. Honestly, I have no idea why I'm even interested in making yet another mic purchase. I'm already at about 50, but I don't have really anything that does the CK12 thing. I know Josh Seawell is selling a BC12A Tube, but if I was going with a tube, I'd rather have a C12, to get the low end bloom. I also have enough tube mics right now I think.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2023 13:12:58 GMT -6
Title sort of says it all. I've got one ADK Cremona 251 T-FET. I'm thinking of either getting a second or maybe sell it off and get a matched pair of the BC12A FET mics. These would be used mostly for recording piano and maybe overheads. The BC12A FET is cardioid only and the ADK has the usual three options. Anyone with experience with both mics? I know Ben makes a great CK12 capsule. The ADK is probably a tweaked K67 capsule to mimic a CK12 type sound. Honestly, I have no idea why I'm even interested in making yet another mic purchase. I'm already at about 50, but I don't have really anything that does the CK12 thing. I know Josh Seawell is selling a BC12A Tube, but if I was going with a tube, I'd rather have a C12, to get the low end bloom. I also have enough tube mics right now I think. I have always liked Bens capsules better than ADK, they have always presented more detail and in pairs a better deeper stereo presentation.
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Post by mcirish on Oct 20, 2023 6:24:09 GMT -6
Thanks Eric. It's very tempting to grab a pair, even though I know they have the old badges.
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Post by Ward on Oct 20, 2023 7:36:23 GMT -6
Thanks Eric. It's very tempting to grab a pair, even though I know they have the old badges. Just ask mics if he might find a way to send you new stinking badges.
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Post by ericn on Oct 20, 2023 7:40:43 GMT -6
Thanks Eric. It's very tempting to grab a pair, even though I know they have the old badges. Just ask mics if he might find a way to send you new stinking badges. m Yeah, Ben will do what he can, but I’m the minority and like the old Badge Design.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 20, 2023 8:18:48 GMT -6
I'm a dual mic badge citizen. Chris
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Post by Ward on Oct 20, 2023 8:22:37 GMT -6
Just ask mics if he might find a way to send you new stinking badges. m Yeah, Ben will do what he can, but I’m the minority and like the old Badge Design. OUCH. . . I had no idea.
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Post by Ward on Oct 20, 2023 8:23:17 GMT -6
I'm a dual mic badge citizen. Chris Sitting on the fence can result in a paling up yer tucus
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Post by mcirish on Oct 20, 2023 8:27:45 GMT -6
I sent them an email. I asked Ben to respond in this thread. I'm sure many are wondering the same thing.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 20, 2023 8:55:30 GMT -6
About sitting on the fence? Chris
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Post by ragan on Oct 20, 2023 9:16:41 GMT -6
Title sort of says it all. I've got one ADK Cremona 251 T-FET. I'm thinking of either getting a second or maybe sell it off and get a matched pair of the BC12A FET mics. These would be used mostly for recording piano and maybe overheads. The BC12A FET is cardioid only and the ADK has the usual three options. Anyone with experience with both mics? I know Ben makes a great CK12 capsule. The ADK is probably a tweaked K67 capsule to mimic a CK12 type sound. Honestly, I have no idea why I'm even interested in making yet another mic purchase. I'm already at about 50, but I don't have really anything that does the CK12 thing. I know Josh Seawell is selling a BC12A Tube, but if I was going with a tube, I'd rather have a C12, to get the low end bloom. I also have enough tube mics right now I think. I have always liked Bens capsules better than ADK, they have always presented more detail and in pairs a better deeper stereo presentation. What are the details on the comparisons you’ve done between pairs of ADK and pairs of Beezneez? Sounds interesting
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Post by plinker on Oct 20, 2023 10:44:36 GMT -6
I'm very interested in Ben's FET as well. However, the noise specs are significantly higher than I'd expect. Perhaps mics can provide more insight (?). Thanks.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 20, 2023 10:53:18 GMT -6
I think if budget is a concern a pair of the FET versions might be a better option. We can't all buy 6 mics a month like soooome posters...
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Post by ericn on Oct 20, 2023 11:24:16 GMT -6
I have always liked Bens capsules better than ADK, they have always presented more detail and in pairs a better deeper stereo presentation. What are the details on the comparisons you’ve done between pairs of ADK and pairs of Beezneez? Sounds interesting While I haven’t done a head to head, I have used both ADK and BN many times over the years, I have owned a Arabella GT & earlier a couple of ADK’s I forget the models. First and foremost I’ll admit I have a bias against trying to use a an 87 style capsule that requires EQ to duplicate a C12 , K47 or M7. That said I think the best of ADK is their 67/ 87 clones. However anytime an ADK has been around, it’s always been the redhead Ed stepchild, not bad, but what else we got? BN on the other hand has always put a nice big smile on my face, even if there is something that is not ideal and a better choice is present nobody has ever complained that switching out the BN is a must. Ben’s mics hang with the big boys. The only Beesneez I might be hesitant to suggest is the Classic 87, not because I don’t think it is a capable mic, but because of what you get a current just stupid price with the UT. I’m not saying Ben’s Capsule’s are perfect, but the only M7’s that I prefer are the original Neumann and the Gefell and the modern Gefell’s are not ahead by that much. Ben has nailed the 3D effect that I call the “ you are there in the room factor” a great M7 has maybe even better than modern Gefell, there are just a peaks that can irk me on some sources that a reall M7 or Modern Gefell don’t have. It’s a personal Goldilocks thing. In hindsight I would rather the 3D of the BN, but I still want it all and not at vintage Neumann prices or the fun of trying to find a good older Gefell. The Thirsch I own is sitting in a drawer because it doesn’t have the 3D thing but doesn’t have the peaks that irk me. I haven’t had a Stam TC so I won’t comment ( if Josh or Tim wants me to demo one I’ll try it.). There is a reason I wanted Ben to take a stab at the Sony C37, as a complete mic builder I believe he has the best chance of delivering us a great affordable clone. I’m sure Stam and Tim could do it as well, but I really don’t think the world wants me or anyone else to put another project on Josh’s desk. Plus honestly for a new project I think it’s easier for us to tweak it with someone who is doing it all in house, and While I don’t expect any credit or compensation for planting the seed, I like the idea of something related to my legacy also being available through dealers, though limited. Nothing against any of the other builders, I maybe critical of at times, I have mass respect for Larry at ADK, Josh and Tim, I hope they realize any and all criticisms are because of that respect and are because I respect them, but I have really liked my interactions with Ben and Veronica and when I spent time on the purple puddle was critical of communication and delivering issues with a bit less bite because of their daughters health issues ( ok their is a bit of a soft spot for the young Sneezby).
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Post by phdamage on Oct 20, 2023 16:41:18 GMT -6
so I just shot out the BC12A FET against the tube version and several other mics. I actually found the BC12A FET quite bright! Not in a bad way, and I honestly preferred it in some scenarios (cymbal basher - perhaps unexpectedly). But it is very different sounding from the tube version. Honestly, it was surprisingly brighter in the drum OH position than the Stam tube 87 and my various 251 clones. Hope to post some audio shortly.
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Post by ragan on Oct 20, 2023 17:07:48 GMT -6
Maybe they modeled it after the XLII
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Post by mcirish on Oct 20, 2023 17:43:13 GMT -6
so I just shot out the BC12A FET against the tube version and several other mics. I actually found the BC12A FET quite bright! Not in a bad way, and I honestly preferred it in some scenarios (cymbal basher - perhaps unexpectedly). But it is very different sounding from the tube version. Honestly, it was surprisingly brighter in the drum OH position than the Stam tube 87 and my various 251 clones. Hope to post some audio shortly. Hmmm. I would be interested in that. I almost pulled the trigger today. I was kind of hoping for smooth highs and a flat midrange, like what I always think of when I think of a CK12... Which is way too often.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 21, 2023 10:21:48 GMT -6
so I just shot out the BC12A FET against the tube version and several other mics. I actually found the BC12A FET quite bright! Not in a bad way, and I honestly preferred it in some scenarios (cymbal basher - perhaps unexpectedly). But it is very different sounding from the tube version. Honestly, it was surprisingly brighter in the drum OH position than the Stam tube 87 and my various 251 clones. Hope to post some audio shortly. Looking forward to hearing these.
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