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Post by mobeach on Jul 6, 2014 9:41:49 GMT -6
For those of us that are serious hobbyists and will never be able to afford a $2000 Mic, or the investments are impractical because we're not pros, are there software emulators that can get you in the ball park? Or are they not even close?
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 6, 2014 10:14:49 GMT -6
I'm not aware of any. Antares mic modeler was a complete joke. And now the new slate thing, which is already out of ur price range, who knows how it really sounds. But, one thing for sure... It will be worth half as much just like any other computer in about a year from the time you buy it.
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Post by Ward on Jul 6, 2014 12:09:15 GMT -6
The new Slate system seems very promising. It is the right kind of thinking. It will improve over time.
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Post by mobeach on Jul 6, 2014 12:12:27 GMT -6
The price for the Slate VMS isn't even listed yet. I'm guessing it's well over 1k?
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 6, 2014 12:16:27 GMT -6
The new Slate system seems very promising. It is the right kind of thinking. It will improve over time. How can it improve when it's already a 100% perfect model?  Guess Slate will have to figure out how to model 110%. The price for the Slate VMS isn't even listed yet. I'm guessing it's well over 1k? Thought I saw it was gonna be $2k + |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 12:29:44 GMT -6
2k for VMS.
Don't buy now, wait until he builds 16 of the pres and A/D into a Raven and bundles it with VCC, VTM, VBC, VMR and VMS. He's probably working on amp collection and a competitor to Focusrite's VRM. If he can get a DAW to market and the MTi to ship with all this stuff he will have a winner on his hands that could unseat Protools as the industry standard.
I think VMS is a great concept I just don't need it. I already have a tough time convincing clients that the Kemper profiler is a legitimate tool.
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Post by warren on Jul 6, 2014 12:52:59 GMT -6
From a hobbyist point of view, I think I'd rather buy a good sub $2k mic than $2k of something that will be worth peanuts in a couple of years. At least that sub $2k mic will still have value you can resell later. This VMS, even if it sounds good, I foresee it being in the used section of guitar center where they'd struggle to find a buyer. Now if you take a classic mic for instance, I see the value appreciating in the future  |
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Post by Ward on Jul 6, 2014 13:14:31 GMT -6
The new Slate system seems very promising. It is the right kind of thinking. It will improve over time. How can it improve when it's already a 100% perfect model? Guess Slate will have to figure out how to model 110% Maybe he can make it more and more perfecter... or just up the game by including more and more mic emulations. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 6, 2014 13:51:01 GMT -6
For those of us that are serious hobbyists and will never be able to afford a $2000 Mic, or the investments are impractical because we're not pros, are there software emulators that can get you in the ball park? Or are they not even close? I would rather just get a mid level workhorse mic than a software emulation. For ~$600 used, you can score an AKG 414 or Shure KSM 44 or pair of KSM 32's. Still not cheap, but a more worthwhile investment IMO. Not quite cream of the crop, but plenty sufficient for most things. |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 6, 2014 14:07:55 GMT -6
How can it improve when it's already a 100% perfect model? Guess Slate will have to figure out how to model 110% Maybe he can make it more and more perfecter... or just up the game by including more and more mic emulations. You would think a program that expensive would include regular updates and upgrades. Native Instruments still offers me free programs and I bought a bundle 7 years ago. |
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Post by popmann on Jul 7, 2014 7:47:13 GMT -6
Antares made some....Roland...here's the thing. I can promise you because I literally sat with them....you plug in a 57 and convert it to a "47" and go "oooh....cool"....then you plug in any random cheap LDC and go "how is the cheap mic better than a modelled 47?"
I would suggest that mic don't have magic in them. Good mics are simply more accurate and more importantly--they work on a lot of sources--a $200 mic might be a killer vocal mic for any GIVEN voice....but, the value of the $5k one is that we can put it up on anyone and it will produce solid results. It's not that it's "the best"....it's "the best bet" where time is money.
Anyway--I've said this before, say it again....Sm7+Sm81. $700 retail (together)....$450 maybe used? Will produce as good a tracks (and better than many) on typical home studio stuffs than most single mics. This is what you buy with a home studio. If you WANT to look at modeling this or clone circuiting that and all AFTER, with those as a reference, knock yourself out. But, with affordable solid performance, I'm flabbergasted how many run around spending on garbage LDCs thinking it's somehow "next best" or even really related to the C12 and U67s and such "universal" LDCs used in session after session.
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Post by donr on Jul 7, 2014 10:00:28 GMT -6
Popmann, do you mean put both mics on the source, ie vocal, and sum them?
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Post by deehope on Jul 7, 2014 11:50:11 GMT -6
For those of us that are serious hobbyists and will never be able to afford a $2000 Mic, or the investments are impractical because we're not pros, are there software emulators that can get you in the ball park? Or are they not even close? [br The vocals on this song were tracked with a sterling audio ST55 and were in some serious need of help. I ran them through Nebula's Henry Olonga u67 and it saved the day. Smoothed out the harsh top end and added some size to the track. Pretty much saved the day. No idea if Henry's presets sound like the mics they're mimicking but they definitely make bad mics sound better. On an other note, there's a lot of great mics under 2k. Hell there's really good mics under 1k, unless your fixated on vintage mics, this is a great day and age to be recording. |
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Guess Slate will have to figure out how to model 110%. 
